This is why I'm hesitant to extend Garrett

[Plankton]

 

[waving monkey]

There's always going to be a reason not to extend a guy after back:back losses. Just like there's always reason to give the guy a new 10 year deal after a 6 game winning streak. And it's amazing how quickly the kudos for developing an 'offensive identity' turn into 'stubbornness' or an 'inability to adjust the game plan.'

The bottom line is whether or not the team is winning games at a high enough rate or, if it's losing games, is it losing them because of the HC, or for another reason. I've long been of the opinion that the reason the Cowboys can't quite get over the hump under Garrett has less to do with the coaching and more to do with specific holes in the roster. Now that most of those holes have been addressed, I think we're seeing a better team, overall, which is just what you'd expect. A loss to the Sk*ns and getting beat by a 7-1 AZ team without Romo in the lineup have done nothing to make me suspect there's an issue with our coaching staff.

Romo out of the line up plus Free and Leary.

But I have shifted my opinion on drafting a QB sooner then later.

 

[Lodeus]

As long as we have Romo are we stuck with Garrett?

 

[Sarge]

In fairness to Garrett, he wasn't the one out there yesterday throwing brick after brick with tunnel vision on one receiver.

 

[Risen Star]

You give this guy all the resources on offense, draft picks on top of draft picks, two former head coaches on that side of the ball and a 100 million dollar investment at the QB position yet all of our losses this year are due to the offense's inability to generate points due to mistakes or an inability make adjustments in a game plan due personnel or what the defense is doing. The defense with a rag tag bunch is holding their own. I swear I've seen this story before.

You can give the head coach everything. If he didn't ask for or want it, you are not allowing him a chance to succeed.

The defense sucks. The bar is just set so low there that walking on the field with their helmets on the right way begets a collective towel wave.

 

[xwalker]

You give this guy all the resources on offense, draft picks on top of draft picks, two former head coaches on that side of the ball and a 100 million dollar investment at the QB position yet all of our losses this year are due to the offense's inability to generate points due to mistakes or an inability make adjustments in a game plan due personnel or what the defense is doing. The defense with a rag tag bunch is holding their own. I swear I've seen this story before.

They have not lost any of the games where Romo was reasonably healthy for the entire game.

 

[Risen Star]

I really don't see how yesterdays game was on the coaches ... that was some terrible quarterback play.

Vince Lombardi would lose with Brandon Weeden.

 

[perrykemp]

Vince Lombardi would lose with Brandon Weeden.

Vince Lombardi would have run Murray on the power sweep roughly 40 times -- Murray probably would have ended up with 185 yards or so and the Cowboys might have just won the game.

 

[Eddie]

I really don't see how yesterdays game was on the coaches ... that was some terrible quarterback play.

That's what I've been saying. No one's listening. They just want to point fingers ...

 

[Eddie]

Vince Lombardi would have run Murray on the power sweep roughly 40 times -- Murray probably would have ended up with 185 yards or so and the Cowboys might have just won the game.

This is not Madden on rookie mode. The Cards were lining up 9 in the box. No one was running anywhere ... left, right, middle. Nada, zilch.

So please stop your fantasies.

 

[perrykemp]

This is not Madden on rookie mode. The Cards were lining up 9 in the box. No one was running anywhere ... left, right, middle. Nada, zilch.

So please stop your fantasies.

Murray ran for 79 yards on 19 carries for 4.1 per rush.

It's not like they were stoning Murray at the LOS.

This was the game where feeding Murray the rock 40 times was completely justified. What the hell is in the point in having a RB on a 2100 yard pace anyway if you aren't going to use him at time like this.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

And the head coach never realized he sucks?

I am sorry, but if the backup QB takes all the snaps in OTAs, takes all the snaps in training camp, talks all the snaps every Wednesday, takes more snaps than any other backup QB in the league, how the hell did the coaches, especially the freaking head coach, never realized he sucks? I find it hard to believe that Weeden was just balling in practice and then got to the game and went Brad Johnson on us. Weeden has to be sucking in practice, so the question is why the coaches didn't see it? That's on them.

Does Garrett actually think Weeden is a good backup? Seriously?

I have no idea what they saw in him. I still think his cheap price tag had a lot to do with it.

 

[Zordon]

In fairness to Garrett, he wasn't the one out there yesterday throwing brick after brick with tunnel vision on one receiver.

I have no idea what they saw in him. I still think his cheap price tag had a lot to do with it.

That's what I've been saying. No one's listening. They just want to point fingers ...

They have not lost any of the games where Romo was reasonably healthy for the entire game.

so here are the QBs garrett passed up for Weeden. like I said, Weeden didn't fall from the sky into our laps. we (the head coach) made a decision on who he wanted and it turned out to be a complete failure. does he not deserve blame for this???

Quarterbacks

1. Michael Vick (Signed one-year, $5M deal with NYJ)
2. Mark Sanchez (Signed one-year, $2.25M deal with PHI)
3. Josh McCown (Signed two-year, $10M deal with TB)

4. Matt Cassel (Re-signed two-year, $10M deal with MIN)
5. Josh Freeman (Signed one-year deal with NYG)
6. Shaun Hill (Signed one-year, $1.75M deal with STL)

7. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Signed two-year, $7.5M deal with HOU)
8. Jason Campbell (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with CIN)
9. Chad Henne (Re-signed two-year, $8M deal with JAX)
10. Tarvaris Jackson (Re-signed one-year, $1.25M deal with SEA)
11. Kevin Kolb
12. Brandon Weeden (Signed two-year, $1.53M deal with DAL)
13. Colt McCoy (Signed one-year, $795K deal with WAS)
14. Matt Flynn (Re-signed one-year deal with GB)
15. Kellen Clemens (Signed two-year, $3M deal with SD)
16. Luke McCown (Re-signed one-year, $920K deal with NO)
17. Derek Anderson (Re-signed two-year, $2.564M deal with CAR)
18. David Garrard
19. Dan Orlovsky (Signed one-year, $920K deal with DET)
20. Rex Grossman
21. Curtis Painter (Re-signed one-year, $795K deal with NYG)
22. Charlie Whitehurst (Signed two-year, $4M deal with TEN)

 

[jwitten82]

You can give the head coach everything. If he didn't ask for or want it, you are not allowing him a chance to succeed.

The defense sucks. The bar is just set so low there that walking on the field with their helmets on the right way begets a collective towel wave.

These ladt two losses were more because of the offense, not the defense.

 

[xwalker]

so here are the QBs garrett passed up for Weeden. like I said, Weeden didn't fall from the sky into our laps. we (the head coach) made a decision on who he wanted and it turned out to be a complete failure. does he not deserve blame for this???

Quarterbacks

1. Michael Vick (Signed one-year, $5M deal with NYJ)
2. Mark Sanchez (Signed one-year, $2.25M deal with PHI)
3. Josh McCown (Signed two-year, $10M deal with TB)

4. Matt Cassel (Re-signed two-year, $10M deal with MIN)
5. Josh Freeman (Signed one-year deal with NYG)
6. Shaun Hill (Signed one-year, $1.75M deal with STL)

7. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Signed two-year, $7.5M deal with HOU)
8. Jason Campbell (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with CIN)
9. Chad Henne (Re-signed two-year, $8M deal with JAX)
10. Tarvaris Jackson (Re-signed one-year, $1.25M deal with SEA)
11. Kevin Kolb
12. Brandon Weeden (Signed two-year, $1.53M deal with DAL)
13. Colt McCoy (Signed one-year, $795K deal with WAS)
14. Matt Flynn (Re-signed one-year deal with GB)
15. Kellen Clemens (Signed two-year, $3M deal with SD)
16. Luke McCown (Re-signed one-year, $920K deal with NO)
17. Derek Anderson (Re-signed two-year, $2.564M deal with CAR)
18. David Garrard
19. Dan Orlovsky (Signed one-year, $920K deal with DET)
20. Rex Grossman
21. Curtis Painter (Re-signed one-year, $795K deal with NYG)
22. Charlie Whitehurst (Signed two-year, $4M deal with TEN)

How many on that list would have won the Arizona game.

The Cowboys were not going to pay 5M per year to a backup so that leaves out 1, 3 and 4.

Matt Flynn has proven that he can only play in that system they run in Green Bay.

I have not followed all of the players on that list. Which ones would be a slam dunk to win the AZ game. I like Colt McCoy but that's about it.

 

[Idgit]

These ladt two losses were more because of the offense, not the defense.

Yep. That's pretty obvious, too.

The defense has sucked the last two years. It's mediocre, or even slightly better than mediocre right now.

 

[Zordon]

How many on that list would have won the Arizona game.

The Cowboys were not going to pay 5M per year to a backup so that leaves out 1, 3 and 4.

Matt Flynn has proven that he can only play in that system they run in Green Bay.

I have not followed all of the players on that list. Which ones would be a slam dunk to win the AZ game. I like Colt McCoy but that's about it.

at this very moment I would call in T. Pryor and kick the tires on him. I dare anyone to tell me that young man is worse than what I saw on Sunday. Colt is the other one I wanted in the offseason along with giving VY a chance. I said this on the board in the offseason and was laughed at b/c Weeden was so much better. Campbell, Clemens, Jackson, Anderson are all better options. Would they have won us the game? Who knows but there is no way they lose us the game to that extent.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

From what I'm reading Jerry could have suited up & played better than Brandon.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You give this guy all the resources on offense, draft picks on top of draft picks, two former head coaches on that side of the ball and a 100 million dollar investment at the QB position yet all of our losses this year are due to the offense's inability to generate points due to mistakes or an inability make adjustments in a game plan due personnel or what the defense is doing. The defense with a rag tag bunch is holding their own. I swear I've seen this story before.

Cowboys neglected the offensive side of the ball for quite some time up front. You talk about all the investments on that side of the ball because they are recent. But go back before these run of O-lineman and you see heavy investment on the defensive side of the ball.

Further, if you are calling the losses on the offense....when will give the offense credit for the wins? See how that works?

 

[xwalker]

at this very moment I would call in T. Pryor and kick the tires on him. I dare anyone to tell me that young man is worse than what I saw on Sunday. Colt is the other one I wanted in the offseason along with giving VY a chance. I said this on the board in the offseason and was laughed at b/c Weeden was so much better. Campbell, Clemens, Jackson, Anderson are all better options. Would they have won us the game? Who knows but there is no way they lose us the game to that extent.

Most of the blame goes to Orton. The Cowboys were not prepared at the start of free agency for Orton leaving. By the time it was obvious that he was not going to play, it was too late to get most of those guys.

Also, I don't see how Garrett is to blame on several of them because the Cowboys were not going to pay big money to a backup QB this year. If Jerry didn't feel like it was worth paying Ware, then he's not going to see this as a season to spend big on a backup QB.