This notion that the players are "greedy" is nonsense

[Diehardblues]

Whatever Dak is paid has absolutely nothing to do with Jerry Jones's profit margin. Jerry does not lose money by paying more for Dak. He has to either use the entire salary cap or move any remaining balance to another year,

In any case, the value of the franchise is somewhere near 10 billion dollars. If Dak was to sign a 240 million 4 year contract, then it's total would be worth 3% of the present value of the franchise, which is increasing almost exponentially.

The real problem its the salary cap which is like a large pie. There is only so much pie and the larger the slice to one player, the smaller the slice for others.

Players are not greedy but best believe their agents are. Yes, the agents are going to maximize because they can't see the big picture. They can't see that their demands limit their client's opportunity to obtain the other important aspect of their career besides wealth and that is winning.

The more Dak is paid, the less the Cowboys can afford to place talented pieces around him. That means he will have less tools to work with in order to win.

They also fail to realize that championships are money in the bank for that players future. On average, we know, instinctively, that champions earn more money post-career. They get more offers in the entertainment industry and in advertising. They get better opportunities.

What company wouldn't want to inspire their staff with the addition of a qualified former NFL Super Bowl champion, even if he was only on special teams for a few seasons?

Another aspect is the reaction of their teammates. They all say the things they are supposed to, they are happy for him, etc, However, some other player or players will now get offered less on their next contract or possibly cut to make cap room for the increase in his teammates new contract. How can there not be even the smallest sense of resentment and how does that affect their relationship on the field?

So, these players are not greedy, they are simply shortsighted. I really wouldn't want a player on my team that is willing to reduce his team's chance at success to make the maximum he can get. Then again, i remember when players used to share apartments and had part-time summer jobs.

Players are being paid too much, owners are making far, far too much, and fans shouldn't be paying anywhere near this much for a sports team that their taxes help support.

Winning championships hasn’t been the priority for a long time .

Back in the day it used to drive revenue including players salaries and endorsements.

Fans would be shocked who the top teams in revenue are. Chiefs aren’t even in upper half.

 

[Bagman]

Honest question here. Is it greed when you are asking for market value?

It's greed when the players collude with one another to drive up the market. Its greed when player A makes $400,000 a year and his teammate player B makes $40 million a year all the while complaining about it. It's greed when a family of 4 in Ohio is struggling on $40,000 a year and a 22 yr old athlete making $25 million annually feels "disrespected". It's capitalism, its the market, its business....... whatever. It's still greed.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

They don't own or manage the team. they own themselves. that should be their primary concern. Works great for other teams in the league.

like the Patriots,,, Chiefs,,,

 

[CowboyFrog]

It's greed when the players collude with one another to drive up the market. Its greed when player A makes $400,000 a year and his teammate player B makes $40 million a year all the while complaining about it. It's greed when a family of 4 in Ohio is struggling on $40,000 a year and a 22 yr old athlete making $25 million annually feels "disrespected". It's capitalism, its the market, its business....... whatever. It's still greed.

this sounds alot more like economic policy to be honest..i get the base of the argument but obviously would have to ask..exactly how would you fix it?

 

[Creeper]

Honest question here. Is it greed when you are asking for market value?

What is driving market value? The market for players is only the owners. One could argue that greed is the driving force behind the market for players - as well as the earnings for the owners.

 

[plasticman]

and this would be spot on except when has Jerry used the extra money to add pieces during this run...I'm not saying he is pocketing it...but can anyone show me where it went to better pieces on the team?

There has absolutely been mismanagement of the salary cap by the Jones's, no debate there. I can't stand restructuring and voidable years, this creates most of the dead money.

The bonus is spread among the years of the contract, including the voidable years so when they release that player, they still owe for that portion of the bonus that was spread to those remaining years.

Even if Dak was cut after the season, they would still owe him 54 million dollars.

The Jones's screwed up the salary cap right out of the gates in 1994. They get close to right for a season or two and then start overpaying everyone again or they just pay the wrong players.

 

[Bagman]

The players are risking their lives and if they survive, they live with CTE.

They could take the safe route and apply to Walmart. Not too many concussions sustained while stocking shelves. There's risk and reward for making that kind of money. Its horrible if they get CTE but they know that going in.

 

[heir]

It's greed when the players collude with one another to drive up the market. Its greed when player A makes $400,000 a year and his teammate player B makes $40 million a year all the while complaining about it. It's greed when a family of 4 in Ohio is struggling on $40,000 a year and a 22 yr old athlete making $25 million annually feels "disrespected". It's capitalism, its the market, its business....... whatever. It's still greed.

Still sounds like you described market value. You can argue that it is wrong or unfair that certain professions make such a large amount of money than others but not sure if greed comes into it.

 

[CowboyFrog]

What is driving market value? The market for players is only the owners. One could argue that greed is the driving force behind the market for players - as well as the earnings for the owners.

true... like what answer would we get when we ask "How the hell does football stadium seat ticket inflation work?" to an owner...we would then here how the cost of everything has gone up but never here how much the TV money has also gone up..lol.

"I gotta pay for CD, so i had raise the prices.."..lol

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I keep hearing about how Dak is greedy and Lamb is greedy and how the players need to do what's right, yadda yadda yadda. A NFL players career is extremely short and they hire agents to ensure they maximize their earning potential while they're still in their prime and able to perform at elite levels. Most of these guys don't come from much at all, and know they'll need to stack up everything they can to set themselves up and their families up for life after their career ends.

Owners are BILLIONAIRES. They're mainly older men with extremely deep pockets and no worries about what their future holds in terms of finances. If they don't have the ability to work the salary cap in their favor to keep the talent they have on the team and remain competitive, than the player is the last one to be blamed. NFL players have the worst players association, they don't have guaranteed contracts, they're at risk of CTE, and they're putting their bodies on the line every week to entertain the fans.

Jerry had all the time in the world to extend these guys and his priorities were completely out of whack . So while we want our Cowboys to remain competitive and we want our guys to sign, the only direction fingers should be pointing is at Jerry and his big face son. All this talk about "go out there and earn it, show up in the playoffs and you'll get your money..." that's not how it works. They work through training camp, meetings, practices, the regular season and hopefully the playoffs. They've earned their money and they WILL be paid their money. Supply and demand, just like any other industry. Now if you decide you no longer want to make a run at the super bowl and you're content scrapping the whole thing and starting over, you have that option. I think it's a loser's mentality but it's certainly an option. Either way though, it's not the players fault you can't get your financial affairs in order. The player has created their own value and deserves to be paid for it.

Players should try and make as much $ as they can.
Now if a GM is an idiot and overpays a Jag Elite $ that's not the player's problem.

 

[plasticman]

We could always go back to 50 or 60 years ago. Don’t televise all of our games. Only 2 games broadcast on Sunday.

That’s where the bulk of revenue is coming from - TV and Streaming deals .

Do we really need billionaires in the NFL? In 1959 it only cost Clint Murchison Jr $50,000 to buy rights to start Cowboys franchise.

Gotta have Monday Night Football.

 

[heir]

What is driving market value? The market for players is only the owners. One could argue that greed is the driving force behind the market for players - as well as the earnings for the owners.

I think that the last part of what you said needs to be pointed out a little bit more. Is it greed on the point of view of the players when the only reason the owners actually pay that money, let's say 60 mil a year for a QB, is because they know that 60 mil they pay will make then 250 mil?

 

[HungryLion]

Imagine being a player, maybe a player who grew up in poverty.

Busting your tail for decades to get to the NFL.

Then you have giant Nepo baby Stephen Jones. Who was born rich. And who only has a job with the cowboys because his daddy owns team.

Then imagine this incompetent nepo baby is in negotiations trying to talk you into taking less “for the team”


Idk how players don’t punch him in the face.

 

[Bobhaze]

I keep hearing about how Dak is greedy and Lamb is greedy and how the players need to do what's right, yadda yadda yadda. A NFL players career is extremely short and they hire agents to ensure they maximize their earning potential while they're still in their prime and able to perform at elite levels. Most of these guys don't come from much at all, and know they'll need to stack up everything they can to set themselves up and their families up for life after their career ends.

Owners are BILLIONAIRES. They're mainly older men with extremely deep pockets and no worries about what their future holds in terms of finances. If they don't have the ability to work the salary cap in their favor to keep the talent they have on the team and remain competitive, than the player is the last one to be blamed. NFL players have the worst players association, they don't have guaranteed contracts, they're at risk of CTE, and they're putting their bodies on the line every week to entertain the fans.

Jerry had all the time in the world to extend these guys and his priorities were completely out of whack . So while we want our Cowboys to remain competitive and we want our guys to sign, the only direction fingers should be pointing is at Jerry and his big face son. All this talk about "go out there and earn it, show up in the playoffs and you'll get your money..." that's not how it works. They work through training camp, meetings, practices, the regular season and hopefully the playoffs. They've earned their money and they WILL be paid their money. Supply and demand, just like any other industry. Now if you decide you no longer want to make a run at the super bowl and you're content scrapping the whole thing and starting over, you have that option. I think it's a loser's mentality but it's certainly an option. Either way though, it's not the players fault you can't get your financial affairs in order. The player has created their own value and deserves to be paid for it.

I completely agree. When fans say “players need to take less money” they do not seem to understand how any of this system works between the players and the owners.

Let me start with an analogy. When the owners recently negotiated a new media rights contract, they did not “take less” money in the good interest of the fans. In fact, the owners asked for and received a huge increase in the most recent media rights package. Both in total dollars and the percentage of increase from their last deal. They got the most money they could possibly get. They are swimming in money. In fact, the owners got “market value” for the rights to have their product televised.

The players ARE the product. Without the players, the owners do not get these gigantic media rights deals. So to ask an NFL player who has earned the right to be paid “what the market says they are worth” to “take less money for the team” is ludicrous. These players have a very short amount of time to earn their market value. They are literally putting their long term health on the line to play football.

On the other hand, the owners can maximize their market value year after year after year with almost zero risk. To ask the players to take less is something the owners would scoff at in their negotiations. So why should a player take less?

Finally - and I think this is almost never discussed - It is the duty of the team’s front office to responsibly manage the cap, not the players. If the Cowboys can’t afford to pay their best players market value, don’t ask the players to pay that price. There are multiple teams right now in the NFL that have bigger payrolls and the same if not more highly paid players at the top the market. And those teams are competing for championships.

 

[Rockport]

Nor do you.

Exactly. But I never said I did.

 

[plasticman]

The players are risking their lives and if they survive, they live with CTE.

Meanwhile my brother served two combat tours in the middle east and is considered 60% disabled for how much?

 

[Streifenkarl]

this sounds alot more like economic policy to be honest..i get the base of the argument but obviously would have to ask..exactly how would you fix it?

Doesn't have to be fixed, just acknowledge that it's greed. The OP is complete nonsense.

I don't have any problem with Dak or any other player trying to get the most out of his short career. And whether it's about a 5 mil difference or not, 5 mil are always 5 mil, no matter how big the rest of the contract is. And they're better in your pocket than in someone else's.

But it's still greed, plain and simple.

 

[Diehardblues]

Gotta have Monday Night Football.

That was the beginning of sparking increased revenue.

The matchups are better with Troy now but for years it was pretty bad. Didn’t even watch all of the time. Kinda like TNF now.

 

[5Stars]

Exactly. But I never said I did.

You said Dak is not asking to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, so apparently you did. Do you ever remember what you post? smh

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I keep hearing about how Dak is greedy and Lamb is greedy and how the players need to do what's right, yadda yadda yadda. A NFL players career is extremely short and they hire agents to ensure they maximize their earning potential while they're still in their prime and able to perform at elite levels. Most of these guys don't come from much at all, and know they'll need to stack up everything they can to set themselves up and their families up for life after their career ends.

Owners are BILLIONAIRES. They're mainly older men with extremely deep pockets and no worries about what their future holds in terms of finances. If they don't have the ability to work the salary cap in their favor to keep the talent they have on the team and remain competitive, than the player is the last one to be blamed. NFL players have the worst players association, they don't have guaranteed contracts, they're at risk of CTE, and they're putting their bodies on the line every week to entertain the fans.

Jerry had all the time in the world to extend these guys and his priorities were completely out of whack . So while we want our Cowboys to remain competitive and we want our guys to sign, the only direction fingers should be pointing is at Jerry and his big face son. All this talk about "go out there and earn it, show up in the playoffs and you'll get your money..." that's not how it works. They work through training camp, meetings, practices, the regular season and hopefully the playoffs. They've earned their money and they WILL be paid their money. Supply and demand, just like any other industry. Now if you decide you no longer want to make a run at the super bowl and you're content scrapping the whole thing and starting over, you have that option. I think it's a loser's mentality but it's certainly an option. Either way though, it's not the players fault you can't get your financial affairs in order. The player has created their own value and deserves to be paid for it.

Here's the irony. The owners don't even pay the players salaries in the postseason. They play those extra 4 games for PEANUTS!!!!