Time to discussing Tanking

[waldoputty]

Which would be only slightly less asinine, but whatever. In fairness, you did name your thread 'Time to Discussing Tanking,'

you dont get max benefit if you decide in week 12.
the time to make that decision is early not late.

 

[Idgit]

you dont get max benefit if you decide in week 12.
the time to make that decision is early not late.

There's no time for a competitor to make that decision, really. It's bad for the league, it's bad for the team, it undermines your program, and, really, there's no guarantee you're going to draft better just because you get a higher position.

The only time I'd ever consider tanking is if I'm an owner who knows already he's clean-sweeping his staff in two weeks and I'm in contention for a top-two pick with a few games to go. Even then, I probably couldn't bring myself to it because I'm not a little *****.

 

[waldoputty]

Why would you tank at 2-3?

We can definitely beat the Skins and Niners. Then we're 4-3.

Kansas City is HAWT, but a lot can change in a month.

The NFC doesn't have a lot of top heavy great teams this year, the talent is spread out in the middle pretty much with some teams rising from the crop later in the season.

10 wins will get you in this year, maybe 9.

8-3 down the last 12 games isn't impossible, possibly 7-4 if we can do well against the Division, and that's not counting a possible Eagles flop in the last half of the season.

I'd rather play our best football after the bye anyway into the playoffs. If we *didn't* have that kind of record down the stretch I probably wouldn't be very optimistic about our chances anyway.

i said at 2-4 or 3-4, not right this moment.
if you dont tank early enough, the benefit is not maximized.

in your heart, do you seriously think this team is going to win the superbowl this year?
i didnt think so.

 

[gmoney112]

i said at 2-4 or 3-4, not right this moment.
if you dont tank early enough, the benefit is not maximized.

in your heart, do you seriously think this team is going to win the superbowl this year?
i didnt think so.

Right now anyone could come out of the NFC. Why not us?

 

[waldoputty]

There's no time for a competitor to make that decision, really. It's bad for the league, it's bad for the team, it undermines your program, and, really, there's no guarantee you're going to draft better just because you get a higher position.

The only time I'd ever consider tanking is if I'm an owner who knows already he's clean-sweeping his staff in two weeks and I'm in contention for a top-two pick with a few games to go. Even then, I probably couldn't bring myself to it because I'm not a little *****.

teams tank for a reason.
we dont need a top 2 pick because those will probably be QBs.
we need a bluechip defensive player (preferably front 7) and fire the damn coaches.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

trolling to you, but if you are not going to win the superbowl, why bother.
tank and go for it next year.

Like I said...if you have to have it explained to you, you are either trolling....or worse.

 

[waldoputty]

Right now anyone could come out of the NFC. Why not us?

after watching the first 5 games, do you really believe this team is going anywhere.
another loss or 2 without a miraculous turnaround, i am ready to tank

 

[Idgit]

teams tank for a reason.
we dont need a top 2 pick because those will probably be QBs.
we need a bluechip defensive player (preferably front 7) and fire the damn coaches.

The overwhelming majority of teams in the position you're describing don't tank. Also for a reason.

 

[waldoputty]

Like I said...if you have to have it explained to you, you are either trolling....or worse.

you are defining a personnel acquisition strategy as trolling.
tanking is practiced by many teams so this is not rocket science.
you are entitled to your opinion, like i am mine.

 

[Idgit]

after watching the first 5 games, do you really believe this team is going anywhere.
another loss or 2 without a miraculous turnaround, i am ready to tank

I absolutely think this is a good team that can win a lot of the remaining games. Yesterday was our best football as far as I"m concerned. We haven't even played WAS or PHI yet. Lots of football left still.

 

[waldoputty]

The overwhelming majority of teams in the position you're describing don't tank. Also for a reason.

the overwhelming majority of teams regarding making the playoffs as a successful season.
making the playoffs as an also-ran is the biggest failure imo.

 

[waldoputty]

going to run an appointment. argue with you guys later

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

you are defining a personnel acquisition strategy as trolling.
tanking is practiced by many teams so this is not rocket science.
you are entitled to your opinion, like i am mine.

I said you are trolling...or worse.

Since you claim to not be trolling...I would put you in the other category.

There is NO group of GMs and Coaches who are sitting in their offices right now talking about how they should be tanking the season right now and there is no way you can prove that they are doing that.
That only happens in the heads of trolling....or worse, heads of "fans" of said teams.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

There are 32 teams.

Only Two teams make the Superbowl per year.

Only One teams wins it.

I guess that means even if you give 10 more teams who might have a shot at the Superbowl for a total of 12 teams.

In your scenario...20 teams should tank the season.

Silly....trolling and worse.

 

[gmoney112]

after watching the first 5 games, do you really believe this team is going anywhere.
another loss or 2 without a miraculous turnaround, i am ready to tank

Just a few years the Giants looked like complete crap the first half of the season, then went on to win the Super Bowl. They looked a lot worse than us.

We have a lot of young guys, especially on defense. Lewis has played pretty well and will get better. Once Awuzie gets significant time he'll be an upgrade over Brown. More Woods. Pass rush should get also get a little better as Irving comes on. Apparently Collins hasn't played up to par, he was one of the only guys that has ever given Martin trouble, he can be better.

OL can get better as well. I don't have much faith in TWill, but our offense is good, and that's with the OL not playing to their potential.

So do I think we can go into the playoffs playing our best? Yeah. And our best can play with anyone. If we beat Seattle later in the season too, that'd be a significant tiebreaker.

 

[Idgit]

the overwhelming majority of teams regarding making the playoffs as a successful season.
making the playoffs as an also-ran is the biggest failure imo.

Well, you're entitled to your wrong opinion, I guess.

Teams have won championships making the playoffs as also-rans.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

with 2 games against both Philly and Washington on the schedule, I can't see conceding the season. We are still very much alive from a division perspective, despite our flaws. It's a long season and we have no idea what challenges (ie injuries, fluke losses, etc.) our division foes my face as well as improvements we may undergo over the coming weeks.

 

[Doc50]

1. trade dlaw for high picks come deadline.
2. play young players including Taco even if he is sucking this year. play Collins at the correct position whatever that is.
3. let marinelli play prevent before he and garrett is fired at the end of the season.
4. let Tsmith rest his back if something is wrong. Protect Dak while this is happening as necessary by rolling out and going max protect.
5. play butler, noah brown and switzer more on offense.
6. give up on Twill since he is a progress stopper at this point and no a championship level wr2. trade if possible
7. cut progress stoppers like bell, morris, scandrick and wilber and bring in younger players from our practice squad or other squads.

Respectfully, I see your point, but this not an athlete's mentality. Once the team discerns a losing strategy, the winners will want out and the word will be out among players that the Dallas organization are losers. Jerry was once an athlete and a leader of men. The coaches all fit that description. I can't see this ever happening in a purposeful way.

It certainly is common practice among sports franchises to trade an established blue chip player for excellent prospects (HW). But this practice does not involve playing to lose. The wholesale changes in the 'Boys secondary are challenged by the obligatory learning curve, but there is reason to believe that a higher level of play is possible by the second half of this year, and going forward.

In the immortal words of Charlie Waters, "Ya gotta believe", and that is a large part of what makes sport great.

Theoretically, we could still finish 13-3. that doesn't seem very realistic at this time, but 9-7 sure the heck is, and we may be able to run the ball and play some defense by then, and would probably be in the post-season with that record.

Another notable quote comes to mind, from the mouth of a tireless competitor, one whose attitude we would want in all of our teammates -- Herm Edwards: "You play to win the game".

 

[Ranching]

We are 2-3, and 9 teams have a worst record.
May be it is a little early to discuss tanking, but we are getting darn close (perhaps at 2-4 or 3-4).

Why try for a 'winning' record when losing a few more would get a much better draft pick.

With many QBs expected to go early, we could scoop up the Arden Key (DE) or another blue-chip defensive player in the 1st round. Then perhaps pick up a RT (Collins back to LT) or a LG in the early 2nd round.

Alternatively pick up a LT and move TSmith to RT if he is really declining.

Things to do could include tank, play youngsters and protect Dak.

You NEVER lose on purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Oh_Canada]

You want to tank at 2-3????