Time to discussing Tanking

[waldoputty]

You have had 20+ years since this team has made a trip to the Superbowl.

All of those years trying to install a winning culture with different coaches, different styles of defense, different styles of how to approach the Draft and the FA.

ALL trying to install a winning culture.

And along comes WaldoPutty...the lone genius of the sports world on a message board who wants to install a losing culture to gain a better draft pick for a team that is trying to install a winning culture.

And his only genius rebuttal is fire the coaches after you get a better draft pick.

Hey...let's start yet again from scratch with a new offensive system with players that don't fit it or a new defensive system that does not fit the players.

Hey let's finally get rid of the players that Fat Ryan wanted for his Defense to work and finally get some Secondary players that the next coach wanted all along but could not get because of cap issues...then let's get rid of that current coach to get another coach who probably wants a completely different type of secondary to work with his system and so on.

Yes...YES it is brilliant I tell you...Let's tank it all..>Let's go for broke. Let's get a high draft pick and then turn around and change the coaches and the systems and the type of players we need for the new systems even though they are best fit for the old system and ....wait wait wait...nope, can't do it. Just can't bring myself to this crazy level of delusional thought that tanking the season, not just now but thinking about it prior to the season has even started is a good plan.

This is some silly troll turds floating in a commode of internet life.

Flush

if i could only claim to be the lone genius...
this has been practiced in the NBA to get the best players.
done so much to the point that the rules to the NBA draft had to be changed.
and even done in the MLB where the benefits are much less than the NFL.
yes tanking goes against the old school approach.
so it bothers some people who cannot change with the times.

when tanking was discussed prior to the season, it was in the overall framework of:
1. go crazy in FA and win for a few years.
2. when and if the cap blows up, then tank that year (or 2) and reload on high draft picks.
again it is not for the old school thought.
note that New England, who many think is perfect, sort of did this in 2016 by trading chandler jones and the probowl LB. of course they won inspite of their defense because of their superior coaching staff and brady.

 

[waldoputty]

One and out is all we have. Twenty plus years and counting.

one and out is for small market teams.
tanking is one way of getting out of that sad state of affairs.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

one and out is for small market teams.
tanking is one way of getting out of that sad state of affairs.

There is no guarantee that we pick a great player with that pick. Already have a QB. I'm getting too old to waste seasons like this. If we are like 2-11 or something like that I might understand it but there is a lot of season left.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

if i could only claim to be the lone genius...
this has been practiced in the NBA to get the best players.
done so much to the point that the rules to the NBA draft had to be changed.
and even done in the MLB where the benefits are much less than the NFL.
yes tanking goes against the old school approach.
so it bothers some people who cannot change with the times.

when tanking was discussed prior to the season, it was in the overall framework of:
1. go crazy in FA and win for a few years.
2. when and if the cap blows up, then tank that year (or 2) and reload on high draft picks.
again it is not for the old school thought.
note that New England, who many think is perfect, sort of did this in 2016 by trading chandler jones and the probowl LB. of course they won inspite of their defense because of their superior coaching staff and brady.

Shhhhh the more you talk the sillier you sound.
You can babble on until the cows come home or any other folksy saying that applies.

However you will still be wrong and silly.

Flush...FLUSH

We should not be tanking the season...we should be flushing the trolls down the commode for doing their best to bring down this team and it's fan base.

 

[waldoputty]

Respectfully, I see your point, but this not an athlete's mentality. Once the team discerns a losing strategy, the winners will want out and the word will be out among players that the Dallas organization are losers. Jerry was once an athlete and a leader of men. The coaches all fit that description. I can't see this ever happening in a purposeful way.

It certainly is common practice among sports franchises to trade an established blue chip player for excellent prospects (HW). But this practice does not involve playing to lose. The wholesale changes in the 'Boys secondary are challenged by the obligatory learning curve, but there is reason to believe that a higher level of play is possible by the second half of this year, and going forward.

In the immortal words of Charlie Waters, "Ya gotta believe", and that is a large part of what makes sport great.

Theoretically, we could still finish 13-3. that doesn't seem very realistic at this time, but 9-7 sure the heck is, and we may be able to run the ball and play some defense by then, and would probably be in the post-season with that record.

Another notable quote comes to mind, from the mouth of a tireless competitor, one whose attitude we would want in all of our teammates -- Herm Edwards: "You play to win the game".

I understand the old school sentiment.
But lets look calmly at what the Patriots did in 2016.
They traded Chandler Jones to AZ and the probowl LB to the Browns.
Was that tanking?
I think so.
Others called brilliant, but it was trading winning in 2016 in exchange for winning in the future.
Of course, they won the Superbowl inspite of that.
But they certainly would have been a better team with Jones and the LB.

Let Garrett and Marinelli coach the rest of the year.
Their inferior approach will tank the team by default.
Just trade Dlaw while his value is likely at its highest before the trade deadline.
Kind of like the Patriots trading Chandler Jones?
I call it tanking - and you can call it whatever you want - but I think this is the optimal strategy to make the best of what we have.

 

[waldoputty]

There is no guarantee that we pick a great player with that pick. Already have a QB. I'm getting too old to waste seasons like this. If we are like 2-11 or something like that I might understand it but there is a lot of season left.

Unfortunately, this is probably a wasted season.
Your draft expectation is probably incorrect.
If you look at the mock drafts, the players taken at the top are mostly QBs. And those teams need them (Giants, Browns etc).
Thus, if we are 6-10, we will have a high chance of getting top 2-3 defensive players - may be even Arden Key.

 

[waldoputty]

Shhhhh the more you talk the sillier you sound.
You can babble on until the cows come home or any other folksy saying that applies.

However you will still be wrong and silly.

Flush...FLUSH

We should not be tanking the season...we should be flushing the trolls down the commode for doing their best to bring down this team and it's fan base.

You made no rational argument.
Yes you dont like it.
That much is clear.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You made no rational argument.
Yes you dont like it.
That much is clear.

You are so delusional with your argument that you are irrational and do not understand the term rational.

That much is clear.

 

[waldoputty]

You are so delusional with your argument that you are irrational and do not understand the term rational.

That much is clear.

other than calling me names, the only point you made was the winning culture.
i have already said let garrett finished the season before bringing in the winning culture.
garrett and marinelli will tank the season on their own.
though i would trade DLaw and his questionable back while his value is likely at its highest.
kind of like what the patriots did with chandler jones...
and play younger players while getting rid of a few players like Wilber and trading TWill.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

other than calling me names, the only point you made was the winning culture.
i have already said let garrett finished the season before bringing in the winning culture.
garrett and marinelli will tank the season on their own.
though i would trade DLaw and his questionable back while his value is likely at its highest.
kind of like what the patriots did with chandler jones...
and play younger players while getting rid of a few players like Wilber and trading TWill.

Nope

Flush

This is about the only other response you will get.

There is no longer any use to wasting anymore time or energy on the delusional mind that thinks it is ok to lose.

So from this point on, you can babble on and on and on how you won and the cowboys would win and how your delusions are the best ideas ever and nobody
can combat them and bla bla bla

The response will be...Flush..Flushing that troll turd right down the toilet.

 

[Nightman]

I understand the old school sentiment.
But lets look calmly at what the Patriots did in 2016.
They traded Chandler Jones to AZ and the probowl LB to the Browns.
Was that tanking?
I think so.
Others called brilliant, but it was trading winning in 2016 in exchange for winning in the future.
Of course, they won the Superbowl inspite of that.
But they certainly would have been a better team with Jones and the LB.

Let Garrett and Marinelli coach the rest of the year.
Their inferior approach will tank the team by default.
Just trade Dlaw while his value is likely at its highest before the trade deadline.
Kind of like the Patriots trading Chandler Jones?
I call it tanking - and you can call it whatever you want - but I think this is the optimal strategy to make the best of what we have.

The Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins trades backfired horribly...... the Pats got a miracle from Brady again to win the SB ..... no thanks to his D....... this year his D is terrible

Not every move the Pats make is good and they damn sure weren't tanking..... if anything they were playing with House Money from 2014 and got cocky

They are two plays away from being 3-6 in the SB instead of 5-4

 

[waldoputty]

Nope

Flush

This is about the only other response you will get.

There is no longer any use to wasting anymore time or energy on the delusional mind that thinks it is ok to lose.

So from this point on, you can babble on and on and on how you won and the cowboys would win and how your delusions are the best ideas ever and nobody
can combat them and bla bla bla

The response will be...Flush..Flushing that troll turd right down the toilet.

yes keep flushing and keep calling me names.
whatever.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

yes keep flushing and keep calling me names.
whatever.

Flush

 

[DFWJC]

The Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins trades backfired horribly...... the Pats got a miracle from Brady again to win the SB ..... no thanks to his D....... this year his D is terrible

Not every move the Pats make is good and they damn sure weren't tanking..... if anything they were playing with House Money from 2014 and got cocky

They are two plays away from being 3-6 in the SB instead of 5-4

True...they weren't tanking and those were not great moves.
You had me until the end
They are also two plays away from being 7-2

 

[waldoputty]

True...they weren't tanking and those were not great moves.
You had me until the end
They are also two plays away from being 7-2

Tanking can mean a lot of things.
To me, it means exchanging winning in the current season for winning for the future.
Doing it in a PC way can come in the form of:
1. Trading good players (e.g. DLaw) while they are at peak value and near contract end - like what Patriots did with Chandler Jones and the LB.
2. Allowing coaching staff to fail before replacing them after the season - Garrett and Marinelli may be on their way. By serving as the Tank Commander, Garrett would at least be earning his salary.
3. Playing young players instead of progress stoppers (e.g. Wilber, TWill, OScan, Morris) even though there will be growing pains and additional losses. This means releasing/trading the progress stoppers and bringing in young players from development squads to try them out.
4. At the most extreme, resting top players - particularly those injured (TSmith?). Resting Dak would cost a lot of problems obviously with the NFL.
5. Certainly if the team continues to suck, FO would have an excuse to can/trade a few players and justify bringing in the young players. The stealth tank would be completed by trading DLaw (with back concern) and may be another player or 2 before trading deadline - just like the Patriots did.

 

[cowboyblue22]

I don't think this team will tank per say but its just if they make the playoffs which I don't think they will and have to play Rodgers again well you know the results

 

[wrongway]

Twice the GIants came back from a poor start and won the Super Bowl. I know our D sucks but really.....

That's the problem the D sucks theirs didn't. You would need unbelievable offensive output to win it all with this D.

 

[waldoputty]

That's the problem the D sucks theirs didn't. You would need unbelievable offensive output to win it all with this D.

that is why tanking is a good option after another loss or so.
we are most likely not going anywhere.
get the best draft we can

 

[wrongway]

that is why tanking is a good option after another loss or so.
we are most likely not going anywhere.
get the best draft we can

Can't advocate quitting. If they suck so be it. Been there seen that many times. Fight to the bitter end. If the end result despite the effort is crap, that's just the way it is. Sometimes you're just not good enough.

 

[waldoputty]

Can't advocate quitting. If they suck so be it. Been there seen that many times. Fight to the bitter end. If the end result despite the effort is crap, that's just the way it is. Sometimes you're just not good enough.

well that is really valiant of u.
i will take the superior draft position myself.