Doomsday101
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rkell87;4561124 said:i feel sorry for you
Don't.I'm tired of your act. You want to insult people fine do it else where.
rkell87;4561124 said:i feel sorry for you
rkell87;4561114 said:when a group dashed on a $200+ tab and their tab came out of my tips I didn't average minimum wage that pay period and I didn't receive it back in my check, I have never known a server that didn't make minimum wage for a pay period and got compensated for it, it pretty much doesn't happen
Doomsday101;4561126 said:Don't.I'm tired of your act. You want to insult people fine do it else where.
Denim Chicken;4561128 said:You dont see it happen b/c is rarely does. HR rate plus declared tips almost always work out to over min wage. I was in the business on both ends (manager and waitstaff) and can tell you that if you have any kind of automated system where you have to declare your tips at the end of the night (ie Aloha)--it tracks it and ajusts if necessary.
Also, it is not illegal to make you pay for a walk-out, unless you would not make the minimum wage as a result.
What rkell87 typed out is 100% correct. I have been in the business my whole life and am currently about to open my own continental bistro.rkell87;4561109 said:well I feel like a fool for typing out everything a to-go server has to do for your food thinking you might be enlightened, I see now that you are too dense to comprehend that more goes into your meal than "putting food in a bag" and that you believe that a guy getting paid 15$ an hour to change your oil and a person making at least federal minimum wage bagging your groceries is the same as someone making $2.13
an expediter in my experience is someone who trays up food and makes sure all the food in a order is ready to go, dine in or to-go, but in my example I was talking about a dedicated to-go person, such as a chilis or carinos to-go server who makes server minimum wagedexternjack;4561145 said:What rkell87 typed out is 100% correct. I have been in the business my whole life and am currently about to open my own continental bistro.
I have served/bartended in 5-star establishments for 20 years. I do not want to get into a debate on tipping, but I do tip 25-35% for great service (sometimes more) and 15% for terrible service. It is extremely rare that I tip less than 10%. These figures are based on dining experiences, not fast-food, to-go orders, etc.
About picking up your food, the person in charge (expediter) does indeed do ALOT of work to get it together for you. Do they deserve a 30% tip, probably not, but at least something for their time and trouble. They do make more than the standard 2.13 an hour, usually between 5.00 and 9.00.
Now, on to the issue of employers paying the difference if the server does not meet the minimum wage. This is absolutely not true. For example, over the weekend a huge rainstorm blows in. Instead of making approx. 600.00 for three days of work, the server makes 100.00 total. Too bad, so sadf, that is what is made, it is not rounded up to account for minimum wage.
Again, I do not want to argue, that is why I tried to stay away from this thread. Restaurant employees do quite a bit of work that most will not notice (especially servers).
Yes, there are some bad servers out there who either do not care or are stupid/lazy, but most do try even if they are not mentally sharp enough to deal with other people. I do not want to go into detail the intricacies of dealing with horrible customers (Springs1), but the server is dealing with multiple other areas which includes the kitchen, busboys, bartenders, picking up the slack of worse servers, etc, etc.
Long story short, if you do not want to tip, it is your prerogative but at least tip something and be kind to your server, you do not have any idea what they deal with.
On a side note, do not assume they are beneath you either just because they work in a restaurant. For me, I have two degrees (chemistry and biology) and I can guarantee that I can do most of the jobs my customers do.
P.S. I wish Springs1 would post a picture on the internet so I can blow it up to size and place it on my store window reading - Do not ever let this B%^&% in! That is all, peace.
Just curious...why would you do that?dexternjack;4561145 said:What rkell87 typed out is 100% correct. I have been in the business my whole life and am currently about to open my own continental bistro.
I have served/bartended in 5-star establishments for 20 years. I do not want to get into a debate on tipping, but I do tip 25-35% for great service (sometimes more) and 15% for terrible service. It is extremely rare that I tip less than 10%. These figures are based on dining experiences, not fast-food, to-go orders, etc.
About picking up your food, the person in charge (expediter) does indeed do ALOT of work to get it together for you. Do they deserve a 30% tip, probably not, but at least something for their time and trouble. They do make more than the standard 2.13 an hour, usually between 5.00 and 9.00.
Now, on to the issue of employers paying the difference if the server does not meet the minimum wage. This is absolutely not true. For example, over the weekend a huge rainstorm blows in. Instead of making approx. 600.00 for three days of work, the server makes 100.00 total. Too bad, so sadf, that is what is made, it is not rounded up to account for minimum wage.
Again, I do not want to argue, that is why I tried to stay away from this thread. Restaurant employees do quite a bit of work that most will not notice (especially servers).
Yes, there are some bad servers out there who either do not care or are stupid/lazy, but most do try even if they are not mentally sharp enough to deal with other people. I do not want to go into detail the intricacies of dealing with horrible customers (Springs1), but the server is dealing with multiple other areas which includes the kitchen, busboys, bartenders, picking up the slack of worse servers, etc, etc.
Long story short, if you do not want to tip, it is your prerogative but at least tip something and be kind to your server, you do not have any idea what they deal with.
On a side note, do not assume they are beneath you either just because they work in a restaurant. For me, I have two degrees (chemistry and biology) and I can guarantee that I can do most of the jobs my customers do.
P.S. I wish Springs1 would post a picture on the internet so I can blow it up to size and place it on my store window reading - Do not ever let this B%^&% in! That is all, peace.
That comes from being in their spot for years. I would feel guilty if I stiffed them. They do pay out on those tips to other workers such as hostesses, bartenders, busboys and food-runners. For example, lets say my bill is 100.00 and I got bad service. I would still tip between 14 to 16 dollars because almost half of that is tipped out to others. There are a lot of other workers with their hands in the servers pockets at the end of the shift.cowboy_ron;4561161 said:Just curious...why would you do that?
Exactly, there are extreme cases we could go into detail but probably best we did not. If for instance a server was very rude or arrogant, then that is a reflection on the establishment itself and should have been fired long ago.Chinfu;4561172 said:There might be situations where a server/bartender doesn't deserve a tip, for instance being extremely rude and inconsiderate. These cases must be rare because a server relies on tips to earn a living. I've never had to "stiff" someone but will never say never The situation must be really extreme and the act deliberate for it to warrant that.
As for poor service or problems with food, that can't always be attributed to the server. They could be over sat by the host/hostess or the kitchen could mess up an order but speaking from experience the server usually pays for those mistakes.
I feel very sorry for people that don't tip, I always attributed it to them being selfish and/or greedy.
Fortunately for service people everywhere, there are a great deal of generous people who make up for the small percentage that are not. I made really good money waiting tables and tending bar in my youth, that helped me get by.
So instead of venting frustration over the cheap, I would prefer to point out that there are a ton of great people to wait on and that i really enjoyed.
Chinfu;4561172 said:There might be situations where a server/bartender doesn't deserve a tip, for instance being extremely rude and inconsiderate. These cases must be rare because a server relies on tips to earn a living. I've never had to "stiff" someone but will never say never The situation must be really extreme and the act deliberate for it to warrant that.
As for poor service or problems with food, that can't always be attributed to the server. They could be over sat by the host/hostess or the kitchen could mess up an order but speaking from experience the server usually pays for those mistakes.
I feel very sorry for people that don't tip, I always attributed it to them being selfish and/or greedy.
Fortunately for service people everywhere, there are a great deal of generous people who make up for the small percentage that are not. I made really good money waiting tables and tending bar in my youth, that helped me get by.
So instead of venting frustration over the cheap, I would prefer to point out that there are a ton of great people to wait on and that i really enjoyed.
rocboy22;4560877 said:what about curbside? like at applebee's where they bring your "to go" order out to you in your car? I would say give a buck or two