TO Forced to Apologize to Eagles & Teammates...*merge*

[Hostile]

I do think the Eagles should have put something mentioning it on the scoreboard, but he's overboard.

 

[Da Hammer]

I find it stupid when people want a apology from somebody who obviously doesn't mean it. They should have instead fined him or something. There really was no point to T.O apologizing which i love because he is disrespecting the Eagles HAHA:laugh2: :suxiggle:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I changed my post to say "We're Cowboy fans" because I liked him too.

I hear ya...and of course it's applying a double standard (even if as doubles standards go, it's one of the less harmful ones).

When Joe Horn, Jeremy Shockey, or Chad Johnson act like two year olds in the end zone, they're 'jerks'..when it's MI or KJ, they're 'our jerks'.

Irvin tho, kinda transcended even the 'my team' thinking.

I know Giants fans who couldn't help but like Mike's antics, in spite of themselves...and I think it has a lot to do with the genuineness of the man.

Irvin is just flat out likeable. Which is what ultimately did him in...the leash was so much longer for him than for the less personality blessed, he ended up tripping on it.

 

[Rack]

That's a copout and speculation on your part that "everyone else was doing it". As far as the hardest working player on the team? Emmitt Smith, and I don't see how anyone could argue with that.

First of all, I didn't say "everyone else was doing it" read it again if your'e capable.


Second of all, Michael Irvin was BY FAR the hardest working player on the team. PERIOD. It's well documented. If you want to argue this (please do) you'll go down in flames cuz it's not even debatable. Jerry Jones said himself recently that "Irvin set the bar for how hard an athlete should work" (paraphrased). Smith himself said he didn't even take working out seriously till he'd already been in the league a few seasons. Michael Irvin's work ethic is legendary. I figured this was common knowledge to ALL cowboys fans.

I didn't say what each did was the same, I said they were both distractions.

Geezuz, did you even read my post? You replied to PC saying "I've never seen an NFL player cause this much distraction...ever."


You replied: "Were you not a Cowboys fan in the mid-late 90's when Irvin pulled all of his crap?"


PC didn't claim that TO is the ONLY player in the history of sports to cause harm to his team. He said no one had ever caused THAT MUCH harm to his team. The fact that you replied to it means you think what Irvin did was jsut as bad. If not, then there was NO REASON TO EVEN REPLY WITH THE IRVIN COMPARISON. We all know what Irvin did. But PC's statement wasn't about "No athlete hsa ever caused harm to his team". If that had been his statement, then your Irvin reply would of been justified.


If you never thought what Irvin did was AS BAD as what TO is doing then your Irvin reply was/is pointless.

But let's give TO credit where it is due - TO is among the hardest workers in the league -- In that way he is identical to Irvin.

WHAT?!@?!?!

OMG the ignorance is unbearable. Earlier in the preseason TO was practicing on the side while his teammates were practicing together. Irvin would NEVER do that. If Irvin could be out there practicing, he'd be doing it with his teammates.

Irvin was/is known for staying after practice was over and working till he puked (literally). I'd be shocked if TO has EVER done any kind of extra work AFTER practice.

I'm not saying TO doesn't work hard, but to put his work ethic up there with Michael Irvin is complete ignorance (to say the least).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Irvin is just flat out likeable. Which is what ultimately did him in...the leash was so much longer for him than for the less personality blessed, he ended up tripping on it.

This is an excellent analogy.

 

[WV Cowboy]

First of all, I didn't say "everyone else was doing it" read it again if your'e capable.


Second of all, Michael Irvin was BY FAR the hardest working player on the team. PERIOD. It's well documented. If you want to argue this (please do) you'll go down in flames cuz it's not even debatable. Jerry Jones said himself recently that "Irvin set the bar for how hard an athlete should work" (paraphrased). Smith himself said he didn't even take working out seriously till he'd already been in the league a few seasons. Michael Irvin's work ethic is legendary. I figured this was common knowledge to ALL cowboys fans.






Geezuz, did you even read my post? You replied to PC saying "I've never seen an NFL player cause this much distraction...ever."


You replied: "Were you not a Cowboys fan in the mid-late 90's when Irvin pulled all of his crap?"


PC didn't claim that TO is the ONLY player in the history of sports to cause harm to his team. He said no one had ever caused THAT MUCH harm to his team. The fact that you replied to it means you think what Irvin did was jsut as bad. If not, then there was NO REASON TO EVEN REPLY WITH THE IRVIN COMPARISON. We all know what Irvin did. But PC's statement wasn't about "No athlete hsa ever caused harm to his team". If that had been his statement, then your Irvin reply would of been justified.


If you never thought what Irvin did was AS BAD as what TO is doing then your Irvin reply was/is pointless.






WHAT?!@?!?!

OMG the ignorance is unbearable. Earlier in the preseason TO was practicing on the side while his teammates were practicing together. Irvin would NEVER do that. If Irvin could be out there practicing, he'd be doing it with his teammates.

Irvin was/is known for staying after practice was over and working till he puked (literally). I'd be shocked if TO has EVER done any kind of extra work AFTER practice.

I'm not saying TO doesn't work hard, but to put his work ethic up there with Michael Irvin is complete ignorance (to say the least).

Take a pill, relax ... it's the weekend.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I hear ya...and of course it's applying a double standard (even if as doubles standards go, it's one of the less harmful ones).

When Joe Horn, Jeremy Shockey, or Chad Johnson act like two year olds in the end zone, they're 'jerks'..when it's MI or KJ, they're 'our jerks'.

Irvin tho, kinda transcended even the 'my team' thinking.

I know Giants fans who couldn't help but like Mike's antics, in spite of themselves...and I think it has a lot to do with the genuineness of the man.

Irvin is just flat out likeable. Which is what ultimately did him in...the leash was so much longer for him than for the less personality blessed, he ended up tripping on it.

I think Herschel Walker said it best, ... after saying how much he disliked the theatrics of EZ dances, first downs, etc. he said, "Not to sound like a hypocrit, but when Michael Irvin would go off, it would get me jacked up!!"

:laugh2: :laugh1:

I think that is what you meant.

 

[sacase]

There is a big difference between TO and Irvin. Irvin is a criminal. Now with that said I still love Irvin for what he did on the field I respect him for that and he was a awsome reciever. But if you don't think that what he did wasn't a distraction to the team then you are nuts. Why do you think Parcells is so adament that his players stay away from clubs and strip clubs and stuff? It is a distraction. Irvin chose to deal with the hookers and the drugs, therefor by his actions HE CHOSE to hurt the team. I like how some of you try and talk about team chemistry. I guarentee there is more going on that hurts the team alot worse than some player running his mouth in the media.

I played College ball so I can speak from experinece I was the starting SE on my team. Our All-American WR attempted to sexually assult my girlfreind at the time. The only thing stopping me from taking a baseball bat to his knees was my roommate who was our slot reciever. Talk about tension in the huddle. Did I throw blocks for him down field when I was supposed to yeah, did I want to whip his butt everytime I looked at him, yeah. But I had a role to play to help the team win and I did it. I would say half of the guys out there don't get along, half of them could care less, there is probally a group of 5 or less that hang out on a regular basis. It's a JOB to them, they are not buddy buddy with each other all the time. TO calling out McNabb is not going to do much. People who already like him are still going to like him and people who hate him are still going to hate him it is that simple.

Sad part is what he said about McNabb in the Superbowl was right. I give the man credit where credit is due. He is a AWSOME WR, he is a playmaker. He leaves everythig he has on the field and probally works harder than any other WR on the field. He gives to charity. His fatal flaw. He runs his mouth to much.
If he can help me win I take him. Sorry, this is business.

 

[Rack]

But if you don't think that what he did wasn't a distraction to the team then you are nuts.

Try and keep up, no one has said what Irvin did wasn't a distraction. NO ONE.

 

[JackMagist]

I find it stupid when people want a apology from somebody who obviously doesn't mean it. They should have instead fined him or something. There really was no point to T.O apologizing which i love because he is disrespecting the Eagles HAHA

Actually there is a point to making him apologize. Of course he didn't mean it but it puts him out in from of the world making an apology that obviously galls him to make. It is a bit if humiliation with the organization putting him in his place and showing that he is NOT in fact this player who is above the organization. It proves to the world that the organization Does still have some control over him and that he can NOT just say whatever he wants with impunity.

I liken it to making a recalcitrant child apologize for insulting Aunt Daisy (or whomever). The child doesn't mean it but they do it to keep from getting a spanking. With the child it is a life lesson; with TO it is a business lesson.

 

[dbair1967]

I cant believe there are 177 posts about that P-O-S Owens

and I didnt read all the crap, but anyone trying to compare Irvin to Owens is really being pretty lame...Irvin had his problems with hookers and drugs but was the ultimate TEAM player who wanted nothing more than to win on Sundays...he was a warrior and a tremendously hard worker on the practice field and on gameday...the guy was the heart and soul of the franchise for several years and was a huge part of why we won 3 super bowls in 4 yrs (and should have won a couple more)

Owens has never been about winning...he has never been about "TEAM"...he is about his own stupid self...he is a total waste of time, I wouldnt care if the guy would play for free, I'd never take him on my team...I'd take Michael Irvin 8 days a week though

David

 

[silver]

Andy Reid is a wimp. BP would've traded Owens for Quincy Morgan or a lesser value already. wuss. I'm glad their season is over.

 

[bbgun]

Trust me, he wrote and believed none of it.

 

[JackMagist]

Trust me, he wrote and believed none of it.

Of course not. It was written for him by the organization and he was told to read it; this along with an explanation of the consequences of him not doing it. I don't know what those consequences might be but TO as much as he likes to act otherwise IS still under contract and the Eagles do have some recourse.

 

[AbeBeta]

Irvin is just flat out likeable. Which is what ultimately did him in...the leash was so much longer for him than for the less personality blessed, he ended up tripping on it.

That's a pretty solid point.

When Irvin was on the field -- his posturing never seemed to be about showing the opposition up -- but instead it was about getting his team pumped -- and getting the quiet Dallas crowd going.

Mike has a big personality and a ton of charisma -- most importantly, he rarely seemed negative or unhappy. He had some troubles and he certainly didn't behave perfectly off the field but what most fans saw was a good guy who had some issues. He didn't try to make problems -- problems found him.

TO is different -- the guy makes trouble for himself.

 

[Dallas4ever]

He might have apoligized but I assure you that the damage is already done. There was no real reason to draw more attention to this mess through a public apoligy. It was worthless and a waste of time.......period. T.O trys to portray himself as someone who is intelligent.......news flash for ya T.O........You're stupid!

 

[Concord]

Owens is a Idiot...He'll never be happy anywhere unless they give him all the money and Kiss his Azz all he wants!

That being said...The Eagles not recognizing individual achievments is stupid...Could you imagine the Cowboys not recognizing Smith for being the All-Time leading rusher in NFL History?

I know 100 Td's doesn't Equal All Time leading rusher...But you get the point!

 

[Dallas4ever]

I agree that Owens should have recognized by the Eagles in some way for his achievement. The Eagles have never really been regarded as a class organization over the years. T.O has played for a class organization and didn't appreciate or respect them. He is now is learning what some of us already know. Many times in life, you get what you give.

 

[HOF]

what di dhe do?

 

[JackMagist]

As for the Eagles recognizing TO's 100th TD; I bet that if he had gotten it last year they WOULD have had fireworks or something in his honor. This year he has been critical of the team and his teammates and has caused numerous problems; he will get NO recognition from the Eagles now. A person has to earn respect and just having talent does not get you respect as a person. He is not going to be honored by those that he has himself disrespected and I do not blame them.