TO Forced to Apologize to Eagles & Teammates...*merge*

[Kilyin]

How could the team consider Irvin a "Cancer" when he was, BY FAR, the hardest working player on the team? They know he just happen to get caught doing what probably half the team had done in the past anyway.

That's a copout and speculation on your part that "everyone else was doing it". As far as the hardest working player on the team? Emmitt Smith, and I don't see how anyone could argue with that.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I personally want him on their team the rest of the year because the longer he stews and creates dissension, the better it is for the Boys.

Good point, because TO will never be happy. I want him UNhappy on the field :laugh2:

 

[WV Cowboy]

I said you don’t make mistakes...how was this a slam? Someone who has made many mistakes in life doesn’t hold past mistakes of others over their heads. What Irvin did hurt himself more than it did the team. Hell, we had 3 Super Bowls already. I think the Irvin past history is a cheap shot.

Wow, you are hilarious, like I don't know you were being sarcastic.

If you say someone who makes mistakes doesn't hold past mistakes over others, why are you holding TO's mistakes over him ?

Anyway, how is discussing facts a cheap shot ?

 

[Tenkamenin]

So why did he take a shot at Mcnabb like that? Was Mcnabb suppose to bow to him on that TD?

 

[Yeagermeister]

So why did he take a shot at Mcnabb like that? Was Mcnabb suppose to bow to him on that TD?

Everyone is supposed to bow to his greatness

 

[WV Cowboy]

I never claimed what Irvin did wasn't bad.


But you replied to PortlandCowboy's quote "I've never seen an NFL player cause this much distraction...ever."


You replied with: "Were you not a Cowboys fan in the mid-late 90's when Irvin pulled all of his crap?"


Obviously implying that Irvin was just as bad as TO. THAT is why I replied. Not because I thought what Irvin did wasn't bad, but because what Irvin did wasn't nearly as bad as what TO has done and is doing.


How the team get "Brought down" by Irvin being with strippers and cocaine in a motel when half the team had probably done the same thing themselves? Again, I am NOT saying that it's ok to do that. I'm trying to get you to view the difference through the eyes of teammates.

If you'd been through countless games with McNabb over the years and them some guy with a reputation of being a "Cancer" comes in and starts bad mouthing that QB, don't you think that would have MORE of a negative impact then what Irvin did?


How could the team consider Irvin a "Cancer" when he was, BY FAR, the hardest working player on the team? They know he just happen to get caught doing what probably half the team had done in the past anyway. Yes, he hurt the team, but NO he wasn't a Cancer to the team.

A "Cancer" is someone that hurts the team just by being on the team. Irvin only hurt the team when he wasn't allowed to be with the team (suspensions).


The difference is obvious, IMO. You should be able to see it.

I didn't say what each did was the same, I said they were both distractions.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's a copout and speculation on your part that "everyone else was doing it". As far as the hardest working player on the team? Emmitt Smith, and I don't see how anyone could argue with that.

I went to enough training camps in Austin to know Irvin was the hardest worker out there and to add to that when guys were starting to get a bit winded on the field it was Irvin who could be heard encouraging guys to keep going. I agree what Mike did was wrong no two ways about it but again many of Irvin Teammates did support him during that period. What TO is doing to attacking his own teammates he is turning on them and doing it in front of the media and as we all know the media loves this type of stuff and will continue talking about it which can weigh heavy on the eagles players

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Showboating in the endzone is showboating regardless of who is doing it. It's not an act of "youth, athleticism, and team spirit", it's an ultimately selfish assertion of dominance to draw attention to yourself and rub salt into the wound of your opponent.

Showboating is showboating, but I for one enjoy it when it's being done spontaneously by an exuberant athlete, psyched to fever pitch by the excitement of scoring..a personal victory which is ultimately a team one.

When it's done by characters as engaging and charismatic as Michael Irvin, it's a special treat, whereas the exact same spectacle from a less charming soul just comes across classless.

Showboating is showboating but the pedigree of personality is also what it is.

There are special rules, perogatives and blind eyes turned for the Mike Irvins of this world, and always will be. And I don't necessarily think that's bad.

Mike's of the aristocracy of the charismatic.

TO's of the unbalanced set.

 

[aikemirv]

you know what,

What good is an apology if you do not mean what you say in the apology. I mean, please, does anyone believe that apology. It just lets Reid save face and TO to continue doing what he always does. Happened in preseason and again now.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Showboating is showboating, but I for one enjoy it when it's being done spontaneously by an exuberant athlete, psyched to fever pitch by the excitement of scoring..a personal victory which is ultimately a team one.

When it's done by characters as engaging and charismatic as Michael Irvin, it's a special treat, whereas the exact same spectacle from a less charming soul just comes across classless.

Showboating is showboating but the pedigree of personality is also what it is.

There are special rules, perogatives and blind eyes turned for the Mike Irvins of this world, and always will be. And I don't necessarily think that's bad.

Mike's of the aristocracy of the charismatic.

TO's of the unbalanced set.

We're Cowboy fans, all other NFL fans hated it.

 

[Danny White]

I'm starting to wonder if he will be giving 100% on the field.

I can see him wanting to "go through the motions."

 

[AbeBeta]

Irvin was the hardest worker out there

But let's give TO credit where it is due - TO is among the hardest workers in the league -- In that way he is identical to Irvin. No one on the Eagles will say differently - no one has ever questioned his work ethic. If Moss worked like TO does he would be the best receiver the league ever saw.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You're a Cowboys fan, all other NFL fans hated it.

I loved it long before I jumped this creaking bandwagon, WV.

But then what can I say but Charles Barkley was my favorite hoops star?

 

[Everlastingxxx]

If you say someone who makes mistakes doesn't hold past mistakes over others, why are you holding TO's mistakes over him ?

Anyway, how is discussing facts a cheap shot ?

I don’t care about TO’s mistakes...actually i couldn’t care less. As for Irvin, it’s been over for years. While we are at it, let’s talk about the way Jerry Jones fired Laundry. We could talk about stuff like this for days.

How about the fact that EVERYONE has done stuff they regret. It’s a cheap shot, plain and simple.

 

[Danny White]

You're a Cowboys fan, all other NFL fans hated it.

Yeah, I think his hilarious, yet over the top, first down celebrations were like nails on a chalkboard (or Ashlee Simpson singing) for pretty much everyone outside of Cowboys nation.

Same thing with "America's Team"... we love it, everyone else wants to puke when they hear it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I hate watching Shockey but he's a great player. He does things, off the field, that could probably be described as distrations but he plays. That's different then TO. Shockey will likely not rip up his teams chemistry. TO will.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I loved it long before I jumped this creaking bandwagon, WV.

But then what can I say but Charles Barkley was my favorite hoops star?

I changed my post to say "We're Cowboy fans" because I liked him too.

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, take if for what it is worth but this comes from PFT.com - they occasionally hit on a scoop.

APOLOGY T.O. LITTLE, T.O. LATE?

We're picking up some initial rumblings out of Philly that Terrell Owens' effort to apologize for his latest round of harsh comments against the Eagles and quarterback Donovan McNabb might not be enough to avert a suspension of the Pro Bowl receiver.

The Eagles, we hear, currently are pondering their options. Article VIII of the CBA permits a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team of up to four weeks in duration, without pay. In theory, it's possible that the team could attempt to suspend Owens for two "counts" of detrimental conduct, thereby enabling them to put him out of action for most of the remainder of the regular season.

Any dispute regarding the imposition of such discipline would be subject to a Non-Injury Grievance under Article IX of the CBA.

 

[Doomsday101]

I didn't say what each did was the same, I said they were both distractions.

It is not so much distraction you just don't turn on your own. That to me is a no brainer when talking team sports

 

[WV Cowboy]

I don’t care about TO’s mistakes...actually i couldn’t care less. As for Irvin, it’s been over for years. While we are at it, let’s talk about the way Jerry Jones fired Laundry. We could talk about stuff like this for days.

How about the fact that EVERYONE has done stuff they regret. It’s a cheap shot, plain and simple.

Talk about a cheap shot !!