Tony (2.8 ypc) Pollard eh?

[Jipper]

Zeke sucks. Hate to break it to his fans.

Just watch other games. There is nothing special about him anymore.

sadly this is true, he doesn’t look any better than the average rb in the league....I mean still starting caliber but to your point not a special talent

 

[G2]

OK lets see which back has more fumbles, that would be Elliott because Pollard has ZERO.. Which back has the longest run from scrimmage Elliott or Pollards? Again it's Pollard. Elliott's longest run is for 24 yards but oh ya he also fumbled the ball away on that run. Pollard's longest run is 42 yards and he scored a TD on that run.

Most times you have some sound reasoning behind what you say but this time hitching your horse to a back that has had a downward trend since his rookie season isn't like you. I'll give you that this season with the offensive line merry-go-round has made things tough on all the backs, RB and QB but Elliott has a couple of other years of decline too. Elliott has led the league in rushing but now he's over 500 yards behind the league leader. I'd bet whatever you want to bet that if it wasn't for his contract that Elliott would be looking for a new team after the past couple seasons. 24.5 mil in dead money is way to much on a reduced cap for next year.
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Nothing is the same as 2016.

Comparing Pollard and Elliott is just unreasonable.

 

[OldJarhead]

Any sound you hear is in your head. I merely stated facts. Pollard got gobbled up last night. He gets gobbled up far more than he breaks a big play but softheads don't remember the 6-7 plays of 1 or 2 yards and negative yards. They only see the one 20+ yard run and jizz themselves. Then come here and proclaim him the second coming. He gave it everything he could last night.. but there was no room for him to run. The Ravens played a 5 and 6 man line most of the night and really dared Dalton to do anything about it. It was good to see Zeke still churning out yards in spite of it but it was only a matter of time before the ineptness of the defense let the score get out of hand so that we would have to stop running the ball. It was also good to see Moore FINALLY call something other than dive up the middle for Zeke. A couple of tosses were a nice touch. Would have been even nicer to see one on the goal line instead of plunging into the teeth of the defense when it was obvious the line was getting blown up.

I agree with you 100%. I don't hate Pollard, but to think he is anything close to Zeke is funny. It's always the same thing no matter who the 'Boys have a RB, when #33 was the man there were calls to replace him, when #22 was setting records there were folks who wanted the other guy (can't even remember the other guys names anymore). I can't even imagine Pollard trying to push the pile like Zeke was on that silly 1st and goal fiasco. Pollard goes down on first contact way too much for my liking, again, I don't hate the guy, but he's not comparable to #21.

 

[Risen Star]

 

[aria]

Everyone knows that the way the line plays is crucial. Thats basically what we tried to tell the Zeke lovers the last couple years. That Zeke really wasnt that good he just had a great line and offense to run behind. They didnt want to hear it. Now the line is their excuse for why he isnt playing well. Which is basically confirming what many of us told them.

But at least Pollard will break off some big plays here and there regardless. And he doesnt cost 15 million per year and would be in a rotation with 1 or 2 other backs.

If you have a very good Oline that is opening up holes and running lanes who is going to do more damage? Zeke or Pollard? Zeke will rip off 4 yarders and Pollard will rip off 10 yarders and 40 yarders. Maybe get caught for a loss once in a while trying to hit it outside. Ill take that all day long.

 

[aria]

You know I would like to see the pollard lovers see him play a full game and what hes about so they could gush a little. Of course he has burst and fresh legs while Zeke is getting the tough yardage and grinding them down. It's a good 1,2 punch for me. Pollard isnt good with tough yards or picking up the block

You know you can get a FB for pennies on the dollar to get “tough yardage” compared to what zeke makes, right? There’s nothing elite or special about that.

Clearly “grinding them down” has worked wonders, we’ve been dominating with our run game. I’ve lost track of how many wins we have.

 

[shabazz]

“Tough” doesn’t take itself out of games as a way of load management.

Jim Brown and Larry Czonka were “tough”

 

[aria]

Tough? He’s a mental midget, quits on plays and taps out on crucial downs. I guess he feels tough when he’s bullying security guards and beating women and DJ’s half his size.

 

[shabazz]

Tough? He’s a mental midget, quits on plays and taps out on crucial downs. I guess he feels tough when he’s bullying security guards and beating women and DJ’s half his size.

What a waste of natural talent though

Emmitt would have killed to have had Zekes skill set.......at least before the fat contract

 

[CowboyRoy]

You know I would like to see the pollard lovers see him play a full game and what hes about so they could gush a little. Of course he has burst and fresh legs while Zeke is getting the tough yardage and grinding them down. It's a good 1,2 punch for me. Pollard isnt good with tough yards or picking up the block

Zeke doenst do much for me to be honest. I wouldnt want him as my back. And at 15 million, he is hurting the team. Pollard would be ideal as one of 2 or 3 backs in a RB by committee. In a big play, pass first offense, which is what he now have with Dak, Pollard is more of the type of back we need rather than a plodding back like Zeke that needs 20 carries to get his yards.

 

[Sarge]

Zeke is a very good running back. He’s not a great running back and he’s not a top 5 running back. He’s overpaid for what we’re getting. Simple as that.

 

[RonnieT24]

Zeke is a very good running back. He’s not a great running back and he’s not a top 5 running back. He’s overpaid for what we’re getting. Simple as that.

In this miserable season I could run off a list of about 50 guys being overpaid for what we're getting..

 

[Sarge]

In this miserable season I could run off a list of about 50 guys being overpaid for what we're getting..

Irrelevant.

 

[RonnieT24]

Irrelevant.

I beg to differ.. It could easily be argued that if some of the other guys (like the o-line and the defense) were earning THEIR money Zeke would have an easier time earning his. It's a team game.. it keeps coming back to that to me. As long as the line aint opening no holes and Moore is only calling up the gut runs we are never going to get anywhere near our money's worth from Zeke. If we wanted to get our money's worth we'd scrap the damn 3 wide shotgun as our base offense and put a fullback in and let Zeke dot the I. Then let him attack the line of scrimmage downhill with a head of steam. I guarantee you that if we did that the defense would get tired of tackling him by the middle of the third quarter and he would run wild late in the game the way so many other great backs do.. But we not only don't do that.. we also don't bother to play defense either so we're playing catchup for most of the game. It's like the front office wants to do one thing and the coaches want to do something else.. The front office wants the offense to revolve around Zeke and Cooper.. but Moore seems to want it revolve around his genius at spreading the ball around. Cooper should be getting 15 targets a game.. That dude is embarrassing his man on 90% of the plays. If we target him deep against Darby 5-6 more times we beat the WFTs on Thanksgiving going away. We're wasting a great player ..

 

[blueblood70]

I agree with you 100%. I don't hate Pollard, but to think he is anything close to Zeke is funny. It's always the same thing no matter who the 'Boys have a RB, when #33 was the man there were calls to replace him, when #22 was setting records there were folks who wanted the other guy (can't even remember the other guys names anymore). I can't even imagine Pollard trying to push the pile like Zeke was on that silly 1st and goal fiasco. Pollard goes down on first contact way too much for my liking, again, I don't hate the guy, but he's not comparable to #21.

troy hambrick?

 

[RonnieT24]

Zeke doenst do much for me to be honest. I wouldnt want him as my back. And at 15 million, he is hurting the team. Pollard would be ideal as one of 2 or 3 backs in a RB by committee. In a big play, pass first offense, which is what he now have with Dak, Pollard is more of the type of back we need rather than a plodding back like Zeke that needs 20 carries to get his yards.

I agree that Pollard is better suited for what we are doing on offense now than Zeke.. Have said so many times, but I don't think it's winning football. He's not reliable enough as a chain mover (yet) and as long as we have the defense we have a chain mover is way more what we need than a 1,2,-1,-1,35,1,2 guy. Until we put together at least an average defense we're going to need to move the chains, control the clock and score. I also don't agree that Zeke needs 20 carries to get his yards.. Very few backs get to the century mark without 20 carries. Unless they're facing our defense of course..

Here are the 4th quarter (and OT) rushing yards for the league leaders

Henry - 65 carries for 438 yards 6.8 ypc
Cook - 64 carries for 378 yards 6.0 ypc
Robinson - 37 carries for 158 yards 4.2 ypc
Jacobs - 56 carries for 191 3.4 ypc
Zeke - 39 carries for 164 yards 3.8 ypc

These are the top five rushers in the league this year. Notice that Robinson and Zeke have far fewer 4th quarter carries than Cook and Henry. Those two are clearly feasting on late game tired defenses. Guess what you don't get to do when you're behind in the 4th quarter.. You guessed it.. feast on late game tired defenses. It has been that way for the last two seasons. Zeke only got 56 carries in the 4th quarter total last year. He probably won't match that number this year. Until we are at least close throughout the game we don't get to run the ball in the 4th and Zeke doesn't get to reap the rewards from all the punishment he dished out earlier in the game. Maybe even a bigger problem though is all the stupid shotgun running we do. 74 of 199 , damn near 40% of Zeke's runs have come out of shotgun this year. That is far and away higher than the other top backs. Henry has had 40 of his 271 carries from shotgun.. Cook is 40 of 251. Robinson is 64 of 212.. Jacobs is 46 of 206. We're basically the only team stupid enough to run our workhorse back like he's some 195 pound scatback. if we want return on our investment.. we might start with using the guy in a way that accentuates his talents.. not somebody else's.

 

[blueblood70]

I beg to differ.. It could easily be argued that if some of the other guys (like the o-line and the defense) were earning THEIR money Zeke would have an easier time earning his. It's a team game.. it keeps coming back to that to me. As long as the line aint opening no holes and Moore is only calling up the gut runs we are never going to get anywhere near our money's worth from Zeke. If we wanted to get our money's worth we'd scrap the damn 3 wide shotgun as our base offense and put a fullback in and let Zeke dot the I. Then let him attack the line of scrimmage downhill with a head of steam. I guarantee you that if we did that the defense would get tired of tackling him by the middle of the third quarter and he would run wild late in the game the way so many other great backs do.. But we not only don't do that.. we also don't bother to play defense either so we're playing catchup for most of the game. It's like the front office wants to do one thing and the coaches want to do something else.. The front office wants the offense to revolve around Zeke and Cooper.. but Moore seems to want it revolve around his genius at spreading the ball around. Cooper should be getting 15 targets a game.. That dude is embarrassing his man on 90% of the plays. If we target him deep against Darby 5-6 more times we beat the WFTs on Thanksgiving going away. We're wasting a great player ..

lOL exactly very relevant.

 

[blueblood70]

What a waste of natural talent though

Emmitt would have killed to have had Zekes skill set.......at least before the fat contract

you atre high you realize for one zekes had more carries since 2016 then any back in the NFL, on the field more then any back blocking and going out for passes and as bell cow RB who rarely gets blow , tapping out a play here and there is him being very tough because hes on the field since 2016 and hasn't missed one game., NOT ONE dude to injurys..a RB who hasn't missed one game with close to 1400 attempts and 300 receiving, add blocking , adds more routes he didnt get thrown too..

if you think player can be used that much and nearly pays the entire game hasn't payed injured, you are troll..dont like the guy , fine, but hes a warrior given all the field time and never missed game..

the worst narrative is hes out of shape,taps out so stupid , he literally has played more then any back and most skilled player the entire NFL.he has 300 more carries then Henry in the same time frame that a freakig SEASONS worth..jeez the hate runs deep..

he is tough , thats a fact

 

[robertfchew]

Tony Pollard averages 4.7 yards per carry this season, better than the league average. Really silly example. Horrible even.

Antonio Gibson, Derrick Henry, and Ronald Jones run behind the three worst run blocking OLs in the league according to footballoutsiders.

Go look up each of their stats vs Zeke real quick. You'll realize quickly that your fighting a losing battle and have been for four seasons.

So you're really going to tell me Henry is doing what he's doing completely on his own? If his line is that bad why are they out there? Dallas has the worst ol in the league by a mile

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

8 carries for 22 yards? Really? This is the guy yall are insisting should replace Zeke? As I predicted the long layoff allowed Zeke to bring a little juice to the stadium tonight. Alas I think he will be hard pressed to be physically ready in 5 days to play on Sunday. F you Goodell. So instead of just one game on short rest we get two this year. F you Goodell. But I digress. Both backs ran hard tonight.. but again we see that Pollard is good for an occasional splash play but there's a lot of bone dry in between them. What we saw from Zeke was consistently grinding out positive yards.. Even a couple of nice cutbacks for over 10.. Except for the idiotic play calling on the first and goal from the 1. Three straight plays into the teeth of a 9 man box with the line getting blown into the backfield. Would it kill you to run wide or off tackle down there Kellen Moore? Good thing Cooper bailed Dalton out on the 4th down throw. Dalton almost airmailed that thing.. McCarthy needs to take film of that sequence into his offseason meeting with Jerry and say " this is why I need to call plays man.. "

Pollard did have the one nice kick return but I repeat for those of you who believe he ran 4.3 at his pro-day.. If he was really that fast that linebacker doesn't track him down once he broke free like that. A true 4.3 burner takes that thing to the house high stepping the last 30 yards.

He was 10.0 with Dak