Tony Romo v. Drew Henson Revisited

[RS12]

Is there really anything to revisit here? One guy can play in the NFL and the other cant. What else is there to say.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, the same does not apply to Ware. I happen to think that the QB position is unique in the game of football, and I also happen to think that the measure of a QB, IF HE IS GIVEN THE TOOLS TO WIN BY MANAGEMENT, is whether or not he wins.

Has Romo been given enough tools to win with? I think when you have home field advantage throughout the playoffs, you have enough tools. When you lose at home in your first playoff game, that same season, then some of that has to go to the QB.

And in terms of what we put on Aikman, I challenge you to just go back and rewatch the biggest games we played in the 90's. Not some weak sister that we could pound to death, but the 49ers and Packers games. Aikman played a HUGE role in each one, and he was OUTSTANDING in ALMOST all of them.

I am saying this, I hope, clear enough that no one misunderstands.

I HOPE that Tony Romo is everything his BIGGEST fans want him to be. I am a fan of Tony Romo. I want him to be a big time winner for our Cowboys. PERIOD.

And I find no fault with anyone who has Tony Romo as their favorite player so that they see things through Romo colored glasses. We all do that with our favorite players.

What I am also saying, however, is that the QB position is the most important one in football, and ultimately, if a QB has to the tools around him to win, then WINNING is what measures him.

QB is very important but he still can't do it himself and when the line in front of him is failing and they did to a tune of 12 sacks in dec. then that tells me it is more than just the QB. There are no rose colored glasses their is the hardcore fact that no QB ever won a SB without the great play of others. Troy has his rings he also had players around him who came up big in big games not Aikman alone and not just offense alone but a defense who created turnovers. I'm not going to get brain washed into the non sense that the media protrays of the quality of a QB is based on SB there are too many great QB's without 1 and a number of avg QB's who do.

 

[Alexander]

Is there really anything to revisit here? One guy can play in the NFL and the other cant. What else is there to say.

Not much.

Other than "I CALLED IT!!"

 

[rcaldw]

Is there really anything to revisit here? One guy can play in the NFL and the other cant. What else is there to say.

I agree completely with this. But I think what the original poster is really after, is, "can you honestly say you were as smart and perceptive as I was about Tony Romo?"

My answer to that, is no.

 

[Doomsday101]

And in terms of what we put on Aikman, I challenge you to just go back and rewatch the biggest games we played in the 90's. Not some weak sister that we could pound to death, but the 49ers and Packers games. Aikman played a HUGE role in each one, and he was OUTSTANDING in ALMOST all of them.

I don't need to go back and watch them I know how great of a QB Troy was I also know that Romo is throwing the ball a heck of a lot more than Troy was ever asked to because it was never about Troy alone. Unlike Steve Young, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre Troy was not putting up those numbers because for the Cowboys being a balanced team both in running and passing would do more in winning SB than all the passes these other guys were being forced to do

 

[rcaldw]

QB is very important but he still can't do it himself and when the line in front of him is failing and they did to a tune of 12 sacks in dec. then that tells me it is more than just the QB. There are no rose colored glasses their is the hardcore fact that no QB ever won a SB without the great play of others. Troy has his rings he also had players around him who came up big in big games not Aikman alone and not just offense alone but a defense who created turnovers. I'm not going to get brain washed into the non sense that the media protrays of the quality of a QB is based on SB there are too many great QB's without 1 and a number of avg QB's who do.

I don't think average QB's get 3, do you? I really don't think you do either, and that isn't what you are saying.

And I agree with you completely that football, perhaps more than any other sport, is a TEAM sport. This is my argument as to why I hate, what I call, the "baseballing of football." That is, people just look at stats, and in football stats can be very deceiving.

But I also believe that when a football TEAM is in place, one that is good enough to win it all, now the QB's job is to get them there. Will it require all the pieces functioning properly? Yes. But he must play at a very high level on his end.

I don't think, SO FAR, that Tony has played his best games in the biggest games.

That doesn't mean he can't or that he won't, and I'm hoping he shuts up every critic in the 2009-10 season

 

[rcaldw]

And in terms of what we put on Aikman, I challenge you to just go back and rewatch the biggest games we played in the 90's. Not some weak sister that we could pound to death, but the 49ers and Packers games. Aikman played a HUGE role in each one, and he was OUTSTANDING in ALMOST all of them.

I don't need to go back and watch them I know how great of a QB Troy was I also know that Romo is throwing the ball a heck of a lot more than Troy was ever asked to because it was never about Troy alone. Unlike Steve Young, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre Troy was not putting up those numbers because for the Cowboys being a balanced team both in running and passing would do more in winning SB than all the passes these other guys were being forced to do

I don't disagree with you on this at all. The best thing the Cowboys could do this year for Tony is keep the offense balanced.

 

[Nexx]

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[Doomsday101]

I don't disagree with you on this at all. The best thing the Cowboys could do this year for Tony is keep the offense balanced.

And I think that will help Dallas and Romo get to where they want to be if they can accomplish that. Dallas has not been a team running 4 and 5 WR yet we pass as much as team who do use that style of offense. I don't remove any blame for Romo he gets sloppy at times with the ball when he has pass rushers around him when he should be securing the ball better but again to me is starts up front, you put pressure on the QB get him moving around, hitting him and stripping at the ball chances are he will make mistakes which is exactly what the Cowboys defense is trying to do to the opposing QB

 

[Tovya]

I honestly didn't pay much attention to Romo back then, but with that being said, I still believe that Drew Henson got a raw deal when he was here.

He had all these "save the franchise" expectations piled upon him, got virtually no snaps to prove he could be, was called a failure, and then he was gone. That's about it.

Therefore, I love Romo, I do--but it's an unfair assessment because Henson never got the chance that Romo did. We'll never know what could have been with Henson... that's really the truth of the matter.

 

[Doomsday101]

I honestly didn't pay much attention to Romo back then, but with that being said, I still believe that Drew Henson got a raw deal when he was here.

He had all these "save the franchise" expectations piled upon him, got virtually no snaps to prove he could be, was called a failure, and then he was gone. That's about it.

Therefore, I love Romo, I do--but it's an unfair assessment because Henson never got the chance that Romo did. We'll never know what could have been with Henson... that's really the truth of the matter.

To an extent I would agree but Henson has yet to make any impact else where either.

 

[sonnyboy]

I don't think average QB's get 3, do you? I really don't think you do either, and that isn't what you are saying.

And I agree with you completely that football, perhaps more than any other sport, is a TEAM sport. This is my argument as to why I hate, what I call, the "baseballing of football." That is, people just look at stats, and in football stats can be very deceiving.

But I also believe that when a football TEAM is in place, one that is good enough to win it all, now the QB's job is to get them there. Will it require all the pieces functioning properly? Yes. But he must play at a very high level on his end.

I don't think, SO FAR, that Tony has played his best games in the biggest games.

That doesn't mean he can't or that he won't, and I'm hoping he shuts up every critic in the 2009-10 season

I will in no way degrade our HOF QB who brought us three SB's. I'm a HUGE Aikman fan.

With that said I will say that I believe Romo is as good right now as Troy was in his prime.

No knock on Troy, it's a testament to how good I believe Romo is.

Romo and Aikman are very very different QB's with an almost completely different skill set.

Aikman could make throws Romo never will. Aikman's power and precision were 2nd to none. Aikman was the ultimate QB to have on a very good to great team.

Romo can do more with less. He moves better and throws better on the move. Romo can not throw the precise lasers Akiman could 20 yards down the field to the sidlines in tight coverage.

Aikman's legacy is set. His career is over and he has his three rings. Lets see what Romo does in his remaining time and judge him off his full body of work.

 

[rcaldw]

I will in no way degrade our HOF QB who brought us three SB's. I'm a HUGE Aikman fan.

With that said I will say that I believe Romo is as good right now as Troy was in his prime.

No knock on Troy, it's a testament to how good I believe Romo is.

Romo and Aikman are very very different QB's with an almost completely different skill set.

Aikman could make throws Romo never will. Aikman's power and precision were 2nd to none. Aikman was the ultimate QB to have on a very good to great team.

Romo can do more with less. He moves better and throws better on the move. Romo can not throw the precise lasers Akiman could 20 yards down the field to the sidlines in tight coverage.

Aikman's legacy is set. His career is over and he has his three rings. Lets see what Romo does in his remaining time and judge him off his full body of work.

I can't say I agree with your assessment of Romo at this point. But I will say that I sure hope you are right. And I agree that no accurate judgment of Romo can happen until his career is complete.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I will in no way degrade our HOF QB who brought us three SB's. I'm a HUGE Aikman fan.

With that said I will say that I believe Romo is as good right now as Troy was in his prime.

 

[Doomsday101]

I will in no way degrade our HOF QB who brought us three SB's. I'm a HUGE Aikman fan.

With that said I will say that I believe Romo is as good right now as Troy was in his prime.

No knock on Troy, it's a testament to how good I believe Romo is.

Romo and Aikman are very very different QB's with an almost completely different skill set.

Aikman could make throws Romo never will. Aikman's power and precision were 2nd to none. Aikman was the ultimate QB to have on a very good to great team.

Romo can do more with less. He moves better and throws better on the move. Romo can not throw the precise lasers Akiman could 20 yards down the field to the sidlines in tight coverage.

Aikman's legacy is set. His career is over and he has his three rings. Lets see what Romo does in his remaining time and judge him off his full body of work.

I agree that Aikman arm strength was great accuracy they are about the same Troy 61.5 completion rate and Romo 63.6.

I have the utmost respect for Troy and was thankful he was a Dallas Cowboy. I don't know if Romo will ever achieve what Troy and that team did but there is no doubt in my mind that Romo is a quality QB in this league.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Perhaps people could just shut up, stop worrying about it, and wait until Romos career is finished before you label, question, or wonder how good or great he is?

I'm sure after Aikmans first 3 seasons starting in Dallas there weren't a whole lot of fans that were penciling him in as a lock for Canton.

Geez. Give me a break.

People acting like they know, for sure, that the guy isn't ever going to win based on 3 seasons of work is just silly and pathetic.

I have no idea if Romo will ever win a playoff game, much less a Superbowl, but i certainly hope he does and I have the belief he can and will. I see no reason to go any further beyond that fact because if I could predict, with 100% accuracy, one way or another on such things then I'd be getting paid to do so, no?

There are far to many examples of QBs out there who struggled in the playoffs, or big games, for one part of their career only to comeback and win a Superbowl, or two, later on and complete erase all those previously preconcieved notions that they'd never be able to do this or that.

Perhaps waiting to see how the entire Dallas Cowboys career of Tony Romo plays out would better suit Cowboys fans in actually knowing what he will and will not be able to do.

 

[Doomsday101]

Perhaps people could just shut up, stop worrying about it, and wait until Romos career is finished before you label, question, or wonder how good or great he is?

I'm sure after Aikmans first 3 seasons starting in Dallas there weren't a whole lot of fans that were penciling him in as a lock for Canton.

Geez. Give me a break.

People acting like they know, for sure, that the guy isn't ever going to win based on 3 seasons of work is just silly and pathetic.

I have no idea if Romo will ever win a playoff game, much less a Superbowl, but i certainly hope he does and I have the belief he can and will. I see no reason to go any further beyond that fact because if I could predict, with 100% accuracy, one way or another on such things then I'd be getting paid to do so, no?

There are far to many examples of QBs out there who struggled in the playoffs, or big games, for one part of their career only to comeback and win a Superbowl, or two, later on and complete erase all those previously preconcieved notions that they'd never be able to do this or that.

Perhaps waiting to see how the entire Dallas Cowboys career of Tony Romo plays out would better suit Cowboys fans in actually knowing what he will and will not be able to do.

I don't know if Romo will ever get a SB ring or be in the HOF one day I do know he has the ability and has shown that in his play. I can promise you a QB like Romo would not stay on the open market very long.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I will in no way degrade our HOF QB who brought us three SB's. I'm a HUGE Aikman fan.

With that said I will say that I believe Romo is as good right now as Troy was in his prime.

No knock on Troy, it's a testament to how good I believe Romo is.

Romo and Aikman are very very different QB's with an almost completely different skill set.

Aikman could make throws Romo never will. Aikman's power and precision were 2nd to none. Aikman was the ultimate QB to have on a very good to great team.

Romo can do more with less. He moves better and throws better on the move. Romo can not throw the precise lasers Akiman could 20 yards down the field to the sidlines in tight coverage.

Aikman's legacy is set. His career is over and he has his three rings. Lets see what Romo does in his remaining time and judge him off his full body of work.

I think you need to revisit Aikman and maybe toss in a few of the play-off games where he was brilliant and surgical and then come back and rethink this.

Romo can do some amazing things. But he is nowhere near the passer Aikman was.

The second bolded statement is pure baloney. Romo can not throw the same ball Aikman did.

I have yet to hear one receiver state the webbing between his fingers were split by a ball Romo threw. Harper experienced it twice.

But we'll see when RW11 runs the Irvin slant this season, since that is his bread and butter route.

And that doesn't begin to mention the fact that Aikman's teammates claim he was the most competitive person they had ever seen.

Can you say that about Tony "Well if I don't ever win it all that will be OK" Romo?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

As a proud long time supporter of Tony Romo, as well as an avid supporter of the current quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, I can say that I was one of his first believers. That is, I thought he had the potential to be great as he occupied the 3rd string quarterback position. Then, low and behold, he gets named the 2nd string over Henson and eventually unseats potential Hall of Famer, Drew Bledsoe.

How many posters can honestly say they believed in him from the beginning?

And if you didn't believe in him from the beginning, at what point did you begin to believe in him, if at all? And what reasons, if any, do you believe in Tony Romo right now?

No, he's not perfect. But I think we'd be hard pressed to find many posters who now disapprove of our quarterback situation. I just want to hear some feedback from those who have come around to support TR, and what were the key factors in the change of heart?

The title is a little misleading and loaded, I admit. So the focus isn't really on Drew Henson, rather our current situation.

However, if you feel we'd be better of with Henson as our current quarterback, you can say that too.

Cheers

I knew a little about him from his college career and I honestly thought that Romo had the tools when he signed with Dallas. I figured he would be excellent trade bait at a minimum. But, I never really told the world I was the Man when he succeeded.

I never understood the whole "I want people to ignore all of the stuff I got wrong and give me a standing ovation because I was right in this instance" thing. Hooray, the blind squirrel got a nut! Who gives a flip if I thought Romo could be good, I am just happy that he is good.

Having said that, I am the Man.

 

[dfense]

Drew Henson was set up for failure.

He need experience, and was lacking in just that.

You aren't going to get better without reps at the NFL level.

Even Romo struggled in some games. But he also had T.O. and Terry Glenn supporting him.

Dude, give it up, Henson sucked. He's bounced around to several teams and all of them learned the same thing. He had no feel for the position and real problems reading the defense.

He should have went to the Yankees when he had the chance.