Trade a 3rd and Peerless for Charles Rogers..

abersonc said:
As has been a trend throughout his career -- when AB has good games, his team tends to lose. His numbers were huge last year in blowouts. He's a garbage time WR
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Yup! Less than 12.00 YPC and no TDs...I'm impressed. :rolleyes:
 
I think you are confused -- this means 3 failed drug tests. Not a lot of players (relative to how many are in the league) hit this stage of the drug program. Factor in that he's a high pick who has had his first two years be total washes -- the drug use gets stupider. Why use drugs if you know you are up for a 4-game sit when this is pretty much your last chance to show you aren't a huge bust?

What does all this point to? Rogers must be very very stupid.

You want to get a guy who, as far as I can recall, is the highest pick ever to get a drug suspension? When his next positive test puts him out for the year?

Like nearly every post in opposition you completely miss the point. We are not debating whether Charles Rogers has screwed up. I am not claiming Charles Rogers is a model citizen. I am not claiming Charles Rogers is our answer at WR for the future. I am not advocating trading anything of significant value for Rogers. Let's be very clear about that. I AM making the following points:

1. Dallas has a real need at WR in the near future.

2. Charles Rogers is an incredible natural talent with problems, a la Chris Carter.

3. IF he can satisfy the Cowboys and Parcells, I would want to trade for him.

4. I would give up an insignificant 5th round pick and Price to get him.

I don't think that can be more clear. So to answer the question, if he turns out to screw us and be suspended again, we are out a 5th round draft pick.

If he turns it around and grows up, we could have a Chris Carter on our hands catching TD passes for the next decade.

It's called risk/reward. You risk very little for the chance to reap huge rewards. A no-brainer.
 
He will be released after the season. Not until after March when they can spread the hit into the 2007 cap. This guy has little if any value so why give up anything for him?
 
jimmy4713 said:
He will be released after the season. Not until after March when they can spread the hit into the 2007 cap. This guy has little if any value so why give up anything for him?
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the reason for a trade would be because other teams might be willing to take the same risk.
 
I don't understand how this is still being discussed.


A 3rd and a player for a druggy, often injuried, bust (so far)?

It's so stupid it's not worth discussing. Not sure I'd even want to take a chance on him if he were a FA.
 
2. Charles Rogers is an incredible natural talent with problems, a la Chris Carter.



You are assuming Rogers IS an incredible natural talent. I'd argue the most people believe he WAS. Given the choice of Rogers now and a WR draft pick in 06, I'll take the draft pick. It's less of a gamble. Sure, you can cite examples of players who broke the mold and overcame like Carter but more often than not the turn out like a former cornhusker RB who shall remain nameless.
 
CIWhitefish said:
2. Charles Rogers is an incredible natural talent with problems, a la Chris Carter.



You are assuming Rogers IS an incredible natural talent. I'd argue the most people believe he WAS. Given the choice of Rogers now and a WR draft pick in 06, I'll take the draft pick. It's less of a gamble. Sure, you can cite examples of players who broke the mold and overcame like Carter but more often than not the turn out like a former cornhusker RB who shall remain nameless.
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Carter produced more in his first 2 1/2 season than Rogers.
 
You are assuming Rogers IS an incredible natural talent. I'd argue the most people believe he WAS.

yeah, he's 24 years old. So over the hill. C'mon.

Given the choice of Rogers now and a WR draft pick in 06, I'll take the draft pick. It's less of a gamble. Sure, you can cite examples of players who broke the mold and overcame like Carter but more often than not the turn out like a former cornhusker RB who shall remain nameless.

Actually, it's probably 50/50. Our wonderfully productive WR duo we have right now were dumped by former teams and needed a change of scenary. Both Glenn and Key were basically fired by the Pats and Bucs for being so disruptive.

Bottom line: You take chances for game-changing talents. You take chances to untapped superstar potential like Rogers.
 
Michael Wiley, Matt Lehr, Pete Hunter, Sean Ryan.

Those are our last four 5th round draft picks. Maybe that will help some of you guys understand the idea of risk/reward.
 
HanfordDixon said:
Michael Wiley, Matt Lehr, Pete Hunter, Sean Ryan.

Those are our last four 5th round draft picks. Maybe that will help some of you guys understand the idea of risk/reward.
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Those guys weren't 5th rounders plus a player.
 
Those guys weren't 5th rounders plus a player.

oh please. Peerless Price is just sitting around as an insurance policy. He's taking in $1.8 million to be inactive most of the time. He won't be here next year and he only signed here because he thought Drew would throw him a lot of passes and he could cash in as a free agent. If that's not going to happen, it's best to move him before he starts causing trouble.
 
HanfordDixon said:
Those guys weren't 5th rounders plus a player.

oh please. Peerless Price is just sitting around as an insurance policy. He's taking in $1.8 million to be inactive most of the time. He won't be here next year and he only signed here because he thought Drew would throw him a lot of passes and he could cash in as a free agent. If that's not going to happen, it's best to move him before he starts causing trouble.
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And get someone else who is already in touble? Roger is not that good to be wasting time on him. No one cares where he got drafted he has not done **** since he has been in the league. I just find it funny that your worried about Price being trouble yet want a WR who is trouble. I'd rather take my chance with Price at least he has shown something in the NFL rogers hasn't
 
HanfordDixon said:
Michael Wiley, Matt Lehr, Pete Hunter, Sean Ryan.

Those are our last four 5th round draft picks. Maybe that will help some of you guys understand the idea of risk/reward.
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Of course what you are missing is what you can do with a 5th on draft day -- We traded up in the 4th to get Canty using our 5th as part of the package -- you start giving up picks early and you can't move around like that. Had we not had that 5th, Canty would be turning heads in New England this year.

Also, you can take players who don't have drug problems and aren't busts yet.

Just a number of the good things you can do with a 5th rather than throwing it away as you suggest.
 
HanfordDixon said:
Those guys weren't 5th rounders plus a player.

oh please. Peerless Price is just sitting around as an insurance policy. He's taking in $1.8 million to be inactive most of the time. He won't be here next year and he only signed here because he thought Drew would throw him a lot of passes and he could cash in as a free agent. If that's not going to happen, it's best to move him before he starts causing trouble.
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Now don't change your arguement. You inferred that a 5th round pick isn't too much to give up to get Rogers,.but the truth is you had proposed a 5th and Price. Well actually it was a 3rd and Price,but you admitted that maybe a little much. That is not the same. It doesn't matter what Price has done in Dallas. It is still a player and a draft pick. I would give it more consideration if it was just a 5th round pick.

What if Glenn, Johnson or Crayton were injured this weekend against the Eagles? Rogers couldn't step in to play for at least 4 weeks because he is suspended. It would probably take at least two more weeks after that because he would have to get back in football shape and learn the plays and timing of the offense.

I still think Dallas can have him after he is cut in the off season without giving up any players or draft picks and probably get a better contract. They could then use a 5th or 3rd and Price and try to trade that for a FS.
 
HanfordDixon said:
Prior to the 2003 draft, Bill Belichek and Scott Pioli offered the Patriots two 1st round picks and their 2nd round pick for the chance to draft Rogers.

They saw an extremely talented, difference-making, franchise WR.

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I'm guessing they are rather relieved they didnt make that awful trade

David
 
HanfordDixon said:
Now is the time to pry Rogers away. Judging by the comments from coaches and teammates, he might not be welcomed back. Peerless is not happy being inactive and he is not a future solution at WR anyway. Rogers could be.
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Let me hop in on this, now i could understand this if amybe he got hurt again. But let's not forget BP has cutt Ross, Davis, Carter, and others for off the field problems that stop them being a part of the team. Price may not like where he's at now, but i seriously doubt BP has even a thought in his head about trading price and a 3rd for Price, now i could see something for maybe Mike or Roy, that would involce Price and maybe a 2 or a 3 and 7 but Rogers no.
 
Rack said:
I don't understand how this is still being discussed.


A 3rd and a player for a druggy, often injuried, bust (so far)?

It's so stupid it's not worth discussing. Not sure I'd even want to take a chance on him if he were a FA.
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And get someone else who is already in touble? Roger is not that good to be wasting time on him. No one cares where he got drafted he has not done **** since he has been in the league. I just find it funny that your worried about Price being trouble yet want a WR who is trouble. I'd rather take my chance with Price at least he has shown something in the NFL rogers hasn't

The difference is Price has peaked and been tried and failed as a No. 1 WR. Rogers hasn't been a disappointment on the field as much as he's suffered through some unfortunate injuries.
 
Of course what you are missing is what you can do with a 5th on draft day -- We traded up in the 4th to get Canty using our 5th as part of the package -- you start giving up picks early and you can't move around like that. Had we not had that 5th, Canty would be turning heads in New England this year.

Also, you can take players who don't have drug problems and aren't busts yet.

Just a number of the good things you can do with a 5th rather than throwing it away as you suggest.

Rogers hasn't been a bust. He hasn't been able to play due to a couple of injuries. That doesn't make you a bust. Funny how you can predict the future on Rogers, yet you are full of enthusiasm for some 5th rounder we haven't even picked yet.

Little bit of a double standard there since we are never going to be in position to draft anyone in the 5th round with this kind of talent.
 
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