Trade talks

[Randy White]

Mad dogg sports also names Cleveland browns a a suiter for Ellis and could possibly inquire about a Package of there 2nd round pick and 4th rounder for Greg Ellis Patrick Crayton and a 3rd rounder.
If you have sat radio its still talking about it

So let me get this straight ( and please, this is not a criticism of you, but of the information ):

The Cleveland Browns would get their own 3rd round pick back ( 5th in the 3rd round ), plus Greg Ellis, plus Patrick Crayton, for their 2nd round pick ( 4th in the 2nd round ), and a 4th round pick ( 4th in the 4th round ).

The Cowboys, in essence, would be giving up two solid veterans, plus a high 3rd round pick for a high 2nd round pick and a high 4th round pick.

Exactly HOW does this make the Cowboys better ? It obviously makes them even younger and more inexperienced than what they are right now, but how does it make them better ?

:starspin

 

[bbgun]

Why would a youngish, rebuilding team like the Browns want an ageing wreck like Ellis?

 

[CF74]

So let me get this straight ( and please, this is not a criticism of you, but of the information ):

The Cleveland Browns would get their own 3rd round pick back ( 5th in the 3rd round ), plus Greg Ellis, plus Patrick Crayton, for their 2nd round pick ( 4th in the 2nd round ), and a 4th round pick ( 4th in the 4th round ).

The Cowboys, in essence, would be giving up two solid veterans, plus a high 3rd round pick for a high 2nd round pick and a high 4th round pick.

Exactly HOW does this make the Cowboys better ? It obviously makes them even younger and more inexperienced than what they are right now, but how does it make them better ?

:starspin

Addition by subtraction..

 

[cowboyjoe]

randy white, i dont know, i just posted what is being said over on trueblue fans forum of www.dallascowboys.com

again, i think its just speculation, but i could be wrong, again, i just posted what the person was saying on the first post of this message, so i gave you the link if you want to go check it out,

 

[cowboyjoe]

im like cowboysfan74, just most likely dreaming on our thinking from what we read and what was posted;

its like someone else posted on the same message over on trueblue, about rumors, most of the time that isnt true, just speculation

again i didnt hear the radio show or mad dog or the other guy talk;
so after the person posted on the board what was being said, i went and looked it up, DC put up a link to it too, so check it out yourself;

 

[Randy White]

Addition by subtraction..

Because of Ellis ? Ok..

BELIEVE me when I tell you this, I've never been a devoted Dances With Tackles fan, and if the Cowboys have someone in mind to replace him ( Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech has become my favorite target for the Cowboys in this draft ), I'm all for it, but why Patrick Crayton ? and why the 3rd round pick ? More specifically: WHY the 3rd round pick.

I can buy Dances With Tackles for 4th round pick. I can buy Patrick Crayton to move up from #52 to #33, even though we would be EXTREMELLY thin at the WR position ( unless we sign Torry Holt ), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick angle.

:starspin

 

[Randy White]

randy white, i dont know, i just posted what is being said over on trueblue fans forum of www.dallascowboys.com

again, i think its just speculation, but i could be wrong, again, i just posted what the person was saying on the first post of this message, so i gave you the link if you want to go check it out,

Oh, I understand. And as I said, it's not you, it's the information I'm being critical of.

 

[Big Dakota]

Re-name thread CRAP TALK

 

[dcfanatic]

i would do it, if you remember the new head coach of the cleveland browns, did same thing with the jets, he traded for some veterans, maybe we can strike some deal;;

what would make this work, if 2 nfl teams are involved for greg ellis and crayton services, that makes the price go up

awhile back i posted about trading crayton for a 3rd rounder, and i got blasted big time by several zoners saying no one would give the cowboys a 3rd rounder for crayton, that i was dreaming,

so i would be estatic if this happened,

No one would give us a 3rd rounder for Crayton.

 

[dadymat]

So let me get this straight ( and please, this is not a criticism of you, but of the information ):

The Cleveland Browns would get their own 3rd round pick back ( 5th in the 3rd round ), plus Greg Ellis, plus Patrick Crayton, for their 2nd round pick ( 4th in the 2nd round ), and a 4th round pick ( 4th in the 4th round ).

The Cowboys, in essence, would be giving up two solid veterans, plus a high 3rd round pick for a high 2nd round pick and a high 4th round pick.

Exactly HOW does this make the Cowboys better ? It obviously makes them even younger and more inexperienced than what they are right now, but how does it make them better ?

:starspin

i think it would be a bad trade....unless we sign another veteran WR before then

 

[Big Dakota]

No one would give us a 3rd rounder for Crayton.

I'd give a 3rd to get rid of the big mouth.

 

[jterrell]

Because of Ellis ? Ok..

BELIEVE me when I tell you this, I've never been a devoted Dances With Tackles fan, and if the Cowboys have someone in mind to replace him ( Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech has become my favorite target for the Cowboys in this draft ), I'm all for it, but why Patrick Crayton ? and why the 3rd round pick ? More specifically: WHY the 3rd round pick.

I can buy Dances With Tackles for 4th round pick. I can buy Patrick Crayton to move up from #52 to #33, even though we would be EXTREMELLY thin at the WR position ( unless we sign Torry Holt ), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick angle.

:starspin

You don't understand it because it would be stupid.

Right now both of those guys are penciled in as big time contributors.
And trading both would have cap effects that cause more dead cap money.

We signed Sensabaugh and Brooking so we weren't going into the draft with holes; it would be completely against the grain of that thought to go out and dump your 2nd best pass rusher and your 2nd or 3rd WR for some draft picks that do not even result in a net positive number of players.


All that said I do not like Michael Johnson at all. He looks a total mess on game day no matter how pretty he looks running 40s. He had a really bad year playing football.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

No one would give us a 3rd rounder for Crayton.

Greg Lewis was sent for a 5th..I would think Crayton is better then Greg?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

so speculation or actual radio commentary?

 

[Beast_from_East]

If the trade is Ellis, Crayton, and a 3rd to the Browns for their 2nd and 4th...............NO WAY!!!!


We are getting raped in that trade, 2 starting caliber players and a 3rd rounder should be worth more than a 2 and a 4.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

"Mad dogg sports also names Cleveland browns a a suiter for Ellis and could possibly inquire about a Package of there 2nd round pick and 4th rounder for Greg Ellis Patrick Crayton and a 3rd rounder."

This is probably complete garbage but for the sake of argument...

I would pull this trade off and never look back. Greg is an aging 3rd down specialist who is making 6.5 million. Crayton is an aftershock of TO and the least Cowboy I like(alot of fans would agree).

So we have 2 2nd rounders? one being #36? and another #51?? We could reload on talent.

Also having 3 4th rounders? First pick in that round and the 5th pick in that round also? Wow you could do some wheelin n dealin with those picks.

I really hope this goes down. I wouldn't lose any sleep.

 

[Zaxor]

Just wondering... who is the 3rd OLB if Ellis is traded...Barbie?/Rogers?


If we traded crayton we have Roy, Austin, Hurd, Stanback...I don't think anybody really knows if any of these guys are any good...

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Just wondering... who is the 3rd OLB if Ellis is traded...Barbie?/Rogers?


If we traded crayton we have Roy, Austin, Hurd, Stanback...I don't think anybody really knows if any of these guys are any good...

We'd most likely draft Ellis's replacement and draft a WR..

2 2nd rounders and 3 4th rounders( all of them high picks in those rounds) Is alot of ammo on draft day.

 

[CF74]

but I don't understand the 3rd round pick angle.

:starspin

Cause we are getting a higher 2nd round pick and getting rid of two moufs..

 

[COWBOYSNUM1]

"Mad dogg sports also names Cleveland browns a a suiter for Ellis and could possibly inquire about a Package of there 2nd round pick and 4th rounder for Greg Ellis Patrick Crayton and a 3rd rounder."

This is probably complete garbage but for the sake of argument...

I would pull this trade off and never look back. Greg is an aging 3rd down specialist who is making 6.5 million. Crayton is an aftershock of TO and the least Cowboy I like(alot of fans would agree).

So we have 2 2nd rounders? one being #36? and another #51?? We could reload on talent.

Also having 3 4th rounders? First pick in that round and the 5th pick in that round also? Wow you could do some wheelin n dealin with those picks.

I really hope this goes down. I wouldn't lose any sleep.

If this were the trade, the Cowboys should have already signed off on it. We won't get a better deal than that, IMHO.