Trey Lance, Jayden Daniels, Michael Penix, Bo Nix

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Not after you pay Prescott 250M and Lance isn't signed. What are you gonna do, drive the price up on yourself? It was Cooper's time and he was the backup.

Trey will get re-signed and replace Prescott at some point.
Yes, if you believe in your ability, go to the UFL, prove yourself and drive your price up. Again, Lance needs playing time and lots of it. That is his best chance to get it. No team is going to turn the reins over to him so he's looking at a backup spot at best for 2025, which means limited snaps.
 

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I agree he needs to play but the Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love route is not bad either. That said, it is time for him to get on the field and not learning on the sidelines. I thought he played well absent the red zone and I felt he was being too cautious - which honestly is not a bad thing!
Rodgers and Love were starters in waiting, though. Lance is a failed first-round pick. He's got to earn another shot.
 

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I just read this tidbit in this article.

“ Lance is only about seven months older than Washington rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels. He's a day younger than Atlanta's Michael Penix and two months or so younger than Bo Nix in Denver.”

I’ve been on the fence about writing him off but this certainly puts things in perspective. Add this to the Darnold resurrection and we sometimes can be too quick to sunset these guys.

He needs a lot of game time experience to really know what he is. I wish there was a G league equivalent for the NFL. Just musing, but I wonder what the precedence is of a team loaning a player to the UFL during the summer.


https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-did-cowboys-see-enough-of-lance
so what? he has been in the NFL for four years. those other guys are rookies and have done way more than he has done in his 4 years.
tell me would you take lance over any of those guys?
and what's lance's ceiling. people think play him more and more and he is going to turn into his lofty draft status. do you know how many busts there have been in the top 5? just add lance to the list.

people in the know, know what he is. he may run 4.5 (there is 10s of QBs that do that). he may throw hard (there are a 100 QBs in college that can do that).
he has no instincts for the game. that natural instinct that you learn playing a lot in high school and college. and now at this age, regardless of how much older/younger he is, you want him to get A LOT of playing time to develop those instincts...maybe!!! why!?

he needs to go to UFL and just play a lot, against lesser competition, where there is no pressure like NFL and just spend a couple of three years and then come try again perhaps.
 

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The Cowboys are not going to let him walk, after giving up a 4th round pick and thinking he has potential (even if they might be deluding themselves).
they don't have to let him walk. he can choose that himself. he is a UFA. unless cowboys throw a lot of money to entice him to stay and be back up for another 3 years...and why would he do that?
 

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I just read this tidbit in this article.

“ Lance is only about seven months older than Washington rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels. He's a day younger than Atlanta's Michael Penix and two months or so younger than Bo Nix in Denver.”

I’ve been on the fence about writing him off but this certainly puts things in perspective. Add this to the Darnold resurrection and we sometimes can be too quick to sunset these guys.

He needs a lot of game time experience to really know what he is. I wish there was a G league equivalent for the NFL. Just musing, but I wonder what the precedence is of a team loaning a player to the UFL during the summer.


https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-did-cowboys-see-enough-of-lance
I've been saying this for a while I think there's an agreement that NFL needs something like that the UFO would be perfect but he needed to be on a team that allowed him time to develop but I agree and he might be worth keeping for the right price not just Sam darnold Baker Mayfield Gino Smith how they were trying to write off young over there with Carolina I mean people are just in a hurry and sometimes it just takes a little longer for some players to adapt to the NFL especially when they're not getting on the field...

It's really about what the Cowboys want to do long term I think Cooper rush is beyond his ceiling we know what he can do why do you want a guy like that on a team that if you're starter goes down at quarterback you're not making the playoffs anyway more than likely , why not have a developmental player as my number two quarterback? So how much does Trey Lance want to stay how much do the Cowboys wanna go with a young developmental guy?

Especially if you're probably thinking Prescott's only going to be here two more seasons I think it's time to put a guy like him if not him then pick up a guy in the fifth round this year that's similar but having an experience back up well I can understand why they'd want to do that I still rather be developing a young player at #2 always just in case but in this case we know Prescott's years are numbered he's up in age he's getting injured more often you can pick a guy out like Cooper rush anytime if you really felt like you needed something if your season truly has a shot but I would always be giving my reps to the younger developmental player....
 

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I think he will pass on that advice.
Probably, but I think it's his best chance at showing he can play quickly. Otherwise, he's going to have to go somewhere as a backup and hope the starter falters and they have to turn to him. I mean, Darnold only got his second chance in Minnesota because first-rounder J.J. McCarthy got hurt in the preseason.
 

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Rodgers and Love were starters in waiting, though. Lance is a failed first-round pick. He's got to earn another shot.
He can't earn it sitting on the bench getting no reps as the third guy they should have used him so much more the last four weeks and then we wouldn't have to hear about Cooper rush losing his shot at a bonus because he never had the ability to earn it if they gave Lance what they should have over the last three weeks is a longer look I think he looked pretty good given how cold he is coming off the bench...
 

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Trey Lance is faster and stronger than Prescott ever was and he's 24, he needs more time, has major upside. SF tried to be cute with Lance and Darnold, they were wrong, they wanted to be geniuses with their 6th rd pick
is NFL = Olympics!? seriously. so what....Tom Brady ran a 5.0 in the 40. manning ran a 4.9. so is Lance better than them because he runs faster?
 

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Probably, but I think it's his best chance at showing he can play quickly. Otherwise, he's going to have to go somewhere as a backup and hope the starter falters and they have to turn to him. I mean, Darnold only got his second chance in Minnesota because first-rounder J.J. McCarthy got hurt in the preseason.
Not really I mean that's why he got on the field but how do we know that JJ McCarthy would have just been bad the first four weeks and you see other teams do it they immediately go to the season veteran and give their rookie more time or give the guy who's struggling more time they did it with Bryce young Carolina they tried to go back to the veteran and then circle back around they did it in with the Saints I mean you gotta get guyers reps or you're not really gonna know who they are I think Lance is getting a bad rap because he's not getting enough reps in live action because that's where it all happens not in practice he can practice all he wants but those plays where he pulled the string on Rico I don't think that happens if he's not super excited and trying to make a big play because he knows that maybe the last one he gets to make this year literally what goes through a guy's mind like that he choked on that play he didn't want to throw the pass high or low so he tried to pull the string on it and aim it I don't think he does that with more experience...

I think he's got some good raw talent and who knows maybe the worst he ends up being is tyrod Taylor or I should say the best hands up being is a guy like that that can come in or Joshua Dobbs I mean those guys are never been true starters but they do help their teams when they come in and maybe that's what you're developing a good #2 that can be a long reliever but not a full time starter..

Most backups in the league like you saw Marcus Mariota that's luck they can all do that every once in awhile but when you put it in for all 17 games is when you see all their warts and you see why they're a backup
 

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They were wrong? Have watched Darnold this season?
so? show me one person. a single person from this board this past off season that said we should get Darnlod, because he is about to break out.
not a single person said that. but hey, everyone has a crystal ball after the season.
 

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He can't earn it sitting on the bench getting no reps as the third guy they should have used him so much more the last four weeks and then we wouldn't have to hear about Cooper rush losing his shot at a bonus because he never had the ability to earn it if they gave Lance what they should have over the last three weeks is a longer look I think he looked pretty good given how cold he is coming off the bench...
Both he and Vaughn should have been receiving reps IMO but the front office was holding out hopes for reaching the playoffs that everyone else knew wasn't happening. When we saw that Elliott was exactly what we thought he was and Cook as well, we should have given Vaughn a chance paired with Dowdle. When we lost Prescott, we should have at least mixed in Lance with Rush if not turned to Lance completely to see if he could improve enough over the remainder of the season to at least be the primary backup.
 

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Lance still needs a few years to develop into a backup that can win. With how the cowboys choose to operate they can not afford a rush at backup so the big question is who wants to backup Dak for nearly free? Oh and know that Dak will miss 3+ games probably around the 6 game mark as he is getting older and more prone to hurting himself without being hit. I'd rather they look for a 7th round guy to develop and or udfa.
dallas needs to draft a QB, in 2nd or 3rd round with real potential and good college experience and develop him.
 

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I'm still thinking everyone should brace themselves for the day we could get breaking news about Trey Lance getting a new deal with the Dallas Cowboys.
No worse than seeing a midnight deal for Dak becoming the highest paid player in history with nothing to show for.
 

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Kid has serious talent, don't be a hater
what talent? where is the talent? because he can throw hard? so can 100 other QBs in college. he can run a 4.5? so can 10s of other QBs in college. so what?
the kid has no instincts for football. because of his physical talent he got away with it in lesser college level. he would probably not succeed as a Div 1 big school program.

people mix up talent with physical ability as if its the olympics
 

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Not really I mean that's why he got on the field but how do we know that JJ McCarthy would have just been bad the first four weeks and you see other teams do it they immediately go to the season veteran and give their rookie more time or give the guy who's struggling more time they did it with Bryce young Carolina they tried to go back to the veteran and then circle back around they did it in with the Saints I mean you gotta get guyers reps or you're not really gonna know who they are I think Lance is getting a bad rap because he's not getting enough reps in live action because that's where it all happens not in practice he can practice all he wants but those plays where he pulled the string on Rico I don't think that happens if he's not super excited and trying to make a big play because he knows that maybe the last one he gets to make this year literally what goes through a guy's mind like that he choked on that play he didn't want to throw the pass high or low so he tried to pull the string on it and aim it I don't think he does that with more experience...

I think he's got some good raw talent and who knows maybe the worst he ends up being is tyrod Taylor or I should say the best hands up being is a guy like that that can come in or Joshua Dobbs I mean those guys are never been true starters but they do help their teams when they come in and maybe that's what you're developing a good #2 that can be a long reliever but not a full time starter..

Most backups in the league like you saw Marcus Mariota that's luck they can all do that every once in awhile but when you put it in for all 17 games is when you see all their warts and you see why they're a backup
Yes, McCarthy could have failed and the Vikings turned to Darnold anyway. I'm just saying McCarthy getting hurt is the reason Darnold got his shot when he did. Maybe McCarthy would have been fine and Darnold would have just sat on the bench.

Again, all I'm saying is that if I was Lance, I wouldn't sign with a UFL team to get starter reps and prove my ability and then sign with an NFL team. The risk is that you don't play well and your NFL career is basically done, but if you believe in yourself then go prove your worth.
 

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Lance will NEVER be a starting NFL franchise QB.
I don't think he is a qualified backup at this point.
QB either has it (as Bo, Jayden, and Penix are showing) or they don't.
None of our QBs can carry the load of a franchise QB no matter how much talent you surround them with.
OMG, the first time ever you made sense.
I am printing this and keeping this posts as a memoir that you can act not stupid at times... bravo
 

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Interesting idea for Trey to play UFL. I actually support it, especially if he signed with Dallas as QB2 because he's reps would be limited anyway. At least, he will have played live ball before TC.
 

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He just threw for 250 yards with no interceptions against a 12-win team. That's not good enough to be a backup?
well, years back, probably before you were born. Jason Garrett had a 315 yard game and 2 TDs against a GB team that was playoff bound and started Bret Favre.
so my response is, was garrett not good enough?

btw, garrett sucked. he was just like Rush. a guy with no arm.
 

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well, years back, probably before you were born. Jason Garrett had a 315 yard game and 2 TDs against a GB team that was playoff bound and started Bret Favre.
so my response is, was garrett not good enough?

btw, garrett sucked. he was just like Rush. a guy with no arm.
One major difference is Lance young and has a lot of upside that Rush and Garrett never had.
 
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