Trey Lance, Jayden Daniels, Michael Penix, Bo Nix

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Doomsday said:
One major difference is Lance young and has a lot of upside that Rush and Garrett never had.
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he is younger. I give you that. but so were rush and garrett at one point. they just never amounted to anything.

and I don't see much upside. he just doesn't have football instincts. and are we wanting to waste 4, 5, 6 years. give him playing time so that he can potentially, maybe develop some instincts, that you normally do in high school and college, so that he can become what? what's his ceiling and is it worth our time investment.

if he really played a lot and got a lot of reps. he is a geno smith at best.
 

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21Savage said:
I just read this tidbit in this article.

“ Lance is only about seven months older than Washington rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels. He's a day younger than Atlanta's Michael Penix and two months or so younger than Bo Nix in Denver.”

I’ve been on the fence about writing him off but this certainly puts things in perspective. Add this to the Darnold resurrection and we sometimes can be too quick to sunset these guys.

He needs a lot of game time experience to really know what he is. I wish there was a G league equivalent for the NFL. Just musing, but I wonder what the precedence is of a team loaning a player to the UFL during the summer.


https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-did-cowboys-see-enough-of-lance
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Jayden Daniels: LSU
Bo Nix: Oregon
Michael Penix: Washington
Trey Lance: North Dakota St.

If you can't see what this means, turn in your football card!!!!!!!!!
 
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Chasing6 said:
Jay Daniels played 53 games at Cajon and set CIF-SS records with 210 touchdowns and over 17,600 total yards.

Bo Nix career stats in high school were staggering.10,393 passing yards, 127 passing touchdowns, 34 rushing touchdowns.
12,505 total yards of offense.

Penix Jr. finished his career 342-of-576 (59.4 percent) with 29 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, and five 300-yard games. He rushed for 165 yards on 64 attempts with six scores. Penix shares fifth in 300-yard games, and ranks sixth in completion percentage and 10th in passing TDs on Indiana’s career lists.

Trey Lance 893 yards passing, 8 TD passes, 46 completions, 88 attempts.

I have no idea how Trance can catch up in playing experience. He also has significantly less playing experience than all 3 in college. The kid needs a Time Machine.
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Just spitballing here, but let’s say he has a wink-nod deal with the Cowboys to sign with a UFL each summer for 3 years, and sign back with the Cowboys for the season. With a 10 game UFL season (2 more games for the post season), and a 5 game NFL preseason (Dak barely plays in the preseason), we are talking about 45-51 games of experience over 3 seasons. After that, the kid will be 27 and ready to embark on a 10-12 year starting QB career. Is that enough of a Time Machine for you?

Throw in a QB guru like Doug Pederson who’s super active with him the whole time. You are unlikely to have a top 3 pick in that time period and it doesn’t stop you from drafting a great prospect who falls in your lap.

With the reliance on the league on QBs, some outside the box thinking could be beneficial. Of course humanity is a level 2 chaos system so events along the way, like him having a good showing in either season, would alter the course of things.
 
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21Savage said:
I just read this tidbit in this article.

“ Lance is only about seven months older than Washington rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels. He's a day younger than Atlanta's Michael Penix and two months or so younger than Bo Nix in Denver.”

I’ve been on the fence about writing him off but this certainly puts things in perspective. Add this to the Darnold resurrection and we sometimes can be too quick to sunset these guys.

He needs a lot of game time experience to really know what he is. I wish there was a G league equivalent for the NFL. Just musing, but I wonder what the precedence is of a team loaning a player to the UFL during the summer.


https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-did-cowboys-see-enough-of-lance
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Lance’s isssue isn’t his age. He’s had 4 years and he’s shown you he’s the same guy. I think his ceiling is that of a backup QB. And that’s ok for a fourth rounder.
 
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21Savage said:
Just spitballing here, but let’s say he has a wink-nod deal with the Cowboys to sign with a UFL each summer for 3 years, and sign back with the Cowboys for the season. With a 10 game UFL season (2 more games for the post season), and a 5 game NFL preseason (Dak barely plays in the preseason), we are talking about 45-51 games of experience over 3 seasons. After that, the kid will be 27 and ready to embark on a 10-12 year starting QB career. Is that enough of a Time Machine for you?

Throw in a QB guru like Doug Pederson who’s super active with him the whole time. You are unlikely to have a top 3 pick in that time period and it doesn’t stop you from drafting a great prospect who falls in your lap.

With the reliance on the league on QBs, some outside the box thinking could be beneficial. Of course humanity is a level 2 chaos system so events along the way, like him having a good showing in either season, would alter the course of things.
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When is the last time you seen a franchise QB have this type of career?
 
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gimmesix said:
Both he and Vaughn should have been receiving reps IMO but the front office was holding out hopes for reaching the playoffs that everyone else knew wasn't happening. When we saw that Elliott was exactly what we thought he was and Cook as well, we should have given Vaughn a chance paired with Dowdle. When we lost Prescott, we should have at least mixed in Lance with Rush if not turned to Lance completely to see if he could improve enough over the remainder of the season to at least be the primary backup.
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too little too ;late as we expect with MM..its the sole reason i dont ant him back as OC foir sure, takes half season for him to get on track. Turpin as well could have been used like he was the last 3 games all damn season!!!
 
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blueblood70 said:
too little too ;late as we expect with MM..its the sole reason i dont ant him back as OC foir sure, takes half season for him to get on track. Turpin as well could have been used like he was the last 3 games all damn season!!!
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Over the last three games Turpin had 6 carries and 5 catches for a combined 119 yards...so about 40 yards a game despite averaging 30+ snaps. He got more snaps in all three games than he normally does, but we didn't see of a difference in production in terms of either yards gained or touches. His Y/RR was about 1.33 and well below his season average over those three games. He did have a couple nice chunk gains in the run game, but hes been getting carries and dump passes all year. What am I missing here?
 

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Mr_437 said:
Interesting idea for Trey to play UFL. I actually support it, especially if he signed with Dallas as QB2 because he's reps would be limited anyway. At least, he will have played live ball before TC.
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If he’s under contract to an NFL team he may not play in the UFL.
 
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TheMarathonContinues said:
What experience did Jayden Daniel’s have? Or Dak? Or Russell Wilson?

Lack of experience aren’t why he has issues.
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Gotta disagree with you on this one man....Lance may or may not have the it factor to really play in the NFL but the experience issue is a valid talking point..

Jayden Daniels started 55 games over 5 years in college

Dak Prescott started 49 games over 4 years

Russell Wilson started 50 games over 4 years

All these guys come from major conferences playing future NFL talent regularly as well. Trey Lance barely had 300 passing attempts his college career against a bunch of future accountants.
 
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gimmesix said:
Rodgers and Love were starters in waiting, though. Lance is a failed first-round pick. He's got to earn another shot.
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Well, that's not really fair is it. Rodgers was a late 1st rounder who sat for 3 years and Love was also a late first rounder who was not put on the field for 3 years. He does not really need to earn it more than they do just because he was put on the field too early. SF blew it with this pick trying to put a guy with 15 college starts on the field in his first year and just throwing Grappolo away after a successful season-really dumb move. The idea that he should have been taken with the 3d pick in the draft was just stupidity. He was at best a late first rounder. They just got lucky with Purdy

Whether or not Trey earned his start for the last game or not, he should not be punished for SF blunder.
 
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