Trey Lance

[KJJ]

This league rewards losing.

I'm in the burn it to the ground mode.

Keep just enough around to fairly evaluate Lance on offense.

Yeah, we will probably not win to many games. But that's the point. To see if Lance can play and to lose.

It's the only way to rebuild. There is a big difference between drafting at the top of each round vs the bottom of each.

He won’t be given an opportunity to start unless he wins the job or someone gets hurt. They won’t just throw him in for the hell of it and see what happens. He has to earn the job and his teammates have to buy into him.

 

[Direwolf63]

Do you think the we try to bring Lance along during the offseason and try to get him into the starting lineup for next year? If not week 1 then if DAK struggles throughout the season?

I would be fine with drafting a QB early (Penix, Dix (the Oregon kid), somebody else) and have a competition with Lance.

I don't see it happening but it's better than giving Dak $60M A year. That would be a disaster

 

[BBGTYCOON]

Cowboys need to spend a high draft pick on a legitimate pro-set QB who's taken a lot of snaps and shown something. They simply can't rely on Lance panning out.

 

[Aven8]

I would try out Lance. They won’t. Dak will most likely be the MVP runner up and Jerry will gleam

 

[ChuckA1]

How many big game losses does it take to convince Jerry that Dak is not the guy? I agree with what Visionary said earlier. Time to clean house as rebuilding can't be any worse than this.

 

[TheSport78]

Dak aint goin' anywhere. He's going to get a fat contract extension this offseason and will be our starting QB moving forward. Prepare yourselves.

Not happening.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Do you think the we try to bring Lance along during the offseason and try to get him into the starting lineup for next year? If not week 1 then if DAK struggles throughout the season?

Maybe, but even if Lance turns out to be great, they have other needs to fill or he won't be anywhere near enough, even if he turns out to be great. Joe Montana, John Elway, or Dan Marino in their primes could not have won that game yesterday.
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This team needs help at linebacker, running back, and on the D-line, but more than that, they need to install a winning culture and a stubborn will to win in the face of adversity.

 

[kiheikiwi]

I think the love approach (GB) is what we should be doing with Lance. We have had him for a year, he gets one more to sit behind - Dak.
The Joneses put themselves over a barrel with Daks contract, they need to reduce his cap hit next year. And somehow get him to agree to an incentive heavy 2 year contract.pay him like $30 mil. Plus hard to reach incentives - like reaching the Championship round.
If Lance does evolve over the next year he gets playing time to bring him along to eventually take over in 2025.
But the main issue is the QB contracts and how to reduce them.

 

[TheHerd]

I don’t think he’s a choker, but I don’t think his salary matches

???

 

[BlindFaith]

He won’t be given an opportunity to start unless he wins the job or someone gets hurt. They won’t just throw him in for the hell of it and see what happens. He has to earn the job and his teammates have to buy into him.

Why not?

Dump Dak. Throw Lance in there. He's a first round pick. He's getting paid as that. He's got a few years experience.

Very similar to GB moving on from Rodgers and handing the job to Love. Except Rodgers actually won in the playoffs and got GB a Super Bowl.

If Lance shows no improvement and no long term value, we most likely will be looking at a top 5 pick. We draft a guy and move on.

You're caught up with this notion of being competitive/mediocre every year. Same way Jerry thinks.

Unless you have an elite QB or a very good QB on his first contract, you can't compete in this league.

Look at how the Eagles have imploded when Hurts got his big deal. And Hurts is far from elite.

Jerry wants this team to always be competitive. It helps him sell merch and keep fans going to games. He cares more about that than doing what it takes to build a great team.

 

[TheHerd]

How many big game losses does it take to convince Jerry that Dak is not the guy? I agree with what Visionary said earlier. Time to clean house as rebuilding can't be any worse than this.

The rebuilding will be worse. 6-11 and no playoffs is worse than 12-5 and playoff loss. But who cares? If the goal is championships, you're right. And I also want championships. But we all have to step back and remember what the Cowboy's are - a marketing company with a football team whose only goal is to feed that marketing company. And they are VERY successful at that.

Think about today - the Lions win their second playoff game in 73 years (can that be right?), and there are 2 more playoff games happening later today. But 95% of the airtime and headlines are about the Cowboys. Because we had a good regular season, we are the headline team, no matter what we do in the playoffs. If this team was 6-11 and preparing for the draft, no one would be talking or writing about us, and Jerry would be REALLY pissed.

 

[CrownCowboy]

I'm in the Drake Maye or bust camp.

I know it won't happen but I'd use whatever pieces necessary to get him.

 

[The Fonz]

Trade Parsons to San Diego. For the number 5 pick, take a quarterback, then develop Lance.

if they can agree

 

[KingCorcoran]

The Cowboys should trade Prescot, I'm sure there is a sucker in the league that would say he would be great for their organization and give up some decent draft picks for him. JJ could use those picks to possibly move up in the draft to get a QB who knows how to lead a team to the promise land because Prescot has once again proven that he can't be trusted in meaningful games. It looked like he was trying to blame CeeDee all game long for his ridiculous mishaps and you could also see CeeDee wasn't too happy with Prescot trying to lay the blame on him.................

Since Prescott can veto any trade and the team interested in him knows it, they won’t give up anything decent for him, particularly with his current contract. Dak is in the driver’s seat regarding his career and compensation. He obviously has great representation.

 

[BlindFaith]

The rebuilding will be worse. 6-11 and no playoffs is worse than 12-5 and playoff loss. But who cares? If the goal is championships, you're right. And I also want championships. But we all have to step back and remember what the Cowboy's are - a marketing company with a football team whose only goal is to feed that marketing company. And they are VERY successful at that.

Think about today - the Lions win their second playoff game in 73 years (can that be right?), and there are 2 more playoff games happening later today. But 95% of the airtime and headlines are about the Cowboys. Because we had a good regular season, we are the headline team, no matter what we do in the playoffs. If this team was 6-11 and preparing for the draft, no one would be talking or writing about us, and Jerry would be REALLY pissed.

I'm on board with anything that pisses Jerry off. It's a sign of it being the right thing to do.

 

[jgboys1]

I’m sorry to say but I have a bad feeling Dak will be on this team for a few more seasons. We will be lucky to win 10 games and make the playoffs. We had our shots! It’s over. It will be a steady and slow decline going forward.

 

[KJJ]

Why not?

Dump Dak. Throw Lance in there. He's a first round pick. He's getting paid as that. He's got a few years experience.

Very similar to GB moving on from Rodgers and handing the job to Love. Except Rodgers actually won in the playoffs and got GB a Super Bowl.

If Lance shows no improvement and no long term value, we most likely will be looking at a top 5 pick. We draft a guy and move on.

You're caught up with this notion of being competitive/mediocre every year. Same way Jerry thinks.

Unless you have an elite QB or a very good QB on his first contract, you can't compete in this league.

Look at how the Eagles have imploded when Hurts got his big deal. And Hurts is far from elite.

Jerry wants this team to always be competitive. It helps him sell merch and keep fans going to games. He cares more about that than doing what it takes to build a great team.

Why not? With your plan we could end up 5-12. You don’t just dump a real good QB and throw another one in who’s been a bust and hasn’t earned the job. That’s a recipe for failure. Lance couldn’t even win the backup job in SF. You can’t compete in the NFL without a viable starting QB. Hurts deal has nothing to do with Philly’s struggles. Most of the QBs making huge money are far from elite. That’s just how it is in the NFL these days. If you don’t pay a good QB you’ll have nothing at the position and will consistently lose and be burning high draft picks every 2-3 years trying to find a QB you can compete with. You have to stay competitive to compete.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Why not? With your plan we could end up 5-12. You don’t just dump a real good QB and throw another one in who’s been a bust and hasn’t earned the job. That’s a recipe for failure. Lance couldn’t even win the backup job in SF. You can’t compete in the NFL without a viable starting QB. Hurts deal has nothing to do with Philly’s struggles. Most of the QBs making huge money are far from elite. That’s just how it is in the NFL these days. If you don’t pay a good QB you’ll have nothing at the position and will consistently lose and be burning high draft picks every 2-3 years trying to find a QB you can compete with. You have to stay competitive to compete.

Hurts’ new deal takes effect next season, but they did have to be prudent what other deals they could sign in anticipation of deal starting. In Philly’s case the whole team collapsed. They’re not going to win this evening. Who’d have thought two NFCE teams would be eliminated while two NFCN teams are still playing?

 

[TheHerd]

Why not? With your plan we could end up 5-12. You don’t just dump a real good QB and throw another one in who’s been a bust and hasn’t earned the job. That’s a recipe for failure. Lance couldn’t even win the backup job in SF. You can’t compete in the NFL without a viable starting QB. Hurts deal has nothing to do with Philly’s struggles. Most of the QBs making huge money are far from elite. That’s just how it is in the NFL these days. If you don’t pay a good QB you’ll have nothing at the position and will consistently lose and be burning high draft picks every 2-3 years trying to find a QB you can compete with. You have to stay competitive to compete.

Who cares if we're 5-12? We will win the same number of playoff games. I want to find some football players to put around a QB too. Paying Dak 55-60M, and that's the minimum he'll agree to, will preclude being able to do that.

 

[BlindFaith]

Why not? With your plan we could end up 5-12. You don’t just dump a real good QB and throw another one in who’s been a bust and hasn’t earned the job. That’s a recipe for failure. Lance couldn’t even win the backup job in SF. You can’t compete in the NFL without a viable starting QB. Hurts deal has nothing to do with Philly’s struggles. Most of the QBs making huge money are far from elite. That’s just how it is in the NFL these days. If you don’t pay a good QB you’ll have nothing at the position and will consistently lose and be burning high draft picks every 2-3 years trying to find a QB you can compete with. You have to stay competitive to compete.

Stop that thinking and you have a chance. Staying competitive with the wrong pieces in place get you what we've had for 28 years.

Dak is not the answer. Lance probably isn't the answer either. But he's a hell of a lot cheaper than Dak.

Rolling with Lance next year is a win win. He either shows promise, but we still struggle and get a top 5 pick. He out right sucks and we get the first pick.

If he shows some promise, we resign him to a team friendly deal and build up a team around him. If he's a bust, we draft the best QB available.

I'm fine with rebuilds. I'm fine with loosing if it means being competitive in the playoffs.

I'm done with what we have now.