News: Troy Aikman: 'I believe either Manziel or RG3 will be in Dallas' in 2016

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Yeah because you don't agree.

Ok do this, and everyone who disagrees with me. Go to another forum( an all sports forum) post your Romo is elite, the best, ect ect topic. Link me, and if you have over 50% of the posts agree with you. I'll leave until training camp.

You all stay protected in this bubble, and make me look like some hater. Go do it, link me and everyone to see. If you are right I'll leave till TC and will never speak a bad word about Romo.

Now go ahead and tell me how the rest of the fans outside of Cowboys fans are idiots.

That's simply a non-win series of suggestions. First off, why go to another and biased board to discuss Cowboys players? That is a lose before started.

Myself, I never hold a fan who cherishes the Cowboys, as a fool!

Lastly, why in the name of sportsmanship, would any practical offer involve the removal of another Cowboy fan?

Sorry, I was a 'dogface' and our motto was to leave no man behind...

as to a line of reasoning worn out completely over four seasons ago, except among burn barrel buddies, try projecting what a winner would now entail without throwing a wagon full of manure on a Cowboy player who has played injured, well, and at top of league levels.
 

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That's simply a non-win series of suggestions. First off, why go to another and biased board to discuss Cowboys players? That is a lose before started.

Myself, I never hold a fan who cherishes the Cowboys, as a fool!

Lastly, why in the name of sportsmanship, would any practical offer involve the removal of another Cowboy fan?

Sorry, I was a 'dogface' and our motto was to leave no man behind...

as to a line of reasoning worn out completely over four seasons ago, except among burn barrel buddies, try projecting what a winner would now entail without throwing a wagon full of manure on a Cowboy player who has played injured, well, and at top of league levels.

Cc you always been a cool cat. No hard feelings brother

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Let's see here. The fact we gave this guy almost everything, and the results have been the same, lack of playoffs, the fact we can't skate by the second round when we do go to the playoffs.

His contract is irrelevant to his play on the field and has nothing to do with pointing towards his decline.

He got us to the playoffs but it is still a team game. Losing a playoff game is not evidence of his decline either.


Let's also not pretend that Romo was the pick master at one point. Yes he has had some good years, but he has also had some very awful ones.

He's not elite. Elite QB's don't need to play bus driver role aka Alex Smith. That's what he is. Alex Smith is a damn good QB but he's not elite.

Romo's INT% has gotten better but his game and the team's needing to come from behind so much is not in his favor. Still his career INT% is 2.7 and that's inflated by his early career. He's floated between 1.6 which is very good to 2.9 which is decent since 2011. While higher than Brady it is no where near being an INT machine. Brady plays from ahead and uses a short passing game to generate his numbers and low INT%. Romo has never had that luxury.

You don't see belichick making Brady run the ball over 50% of the time.

We ran the ball in 14 because we could and if you understand drive success you understand how important it is to get into manageable down and distance. Running the ball 45-52/53% has become more of a model. Not all teams do it because most can't or don't want to. That's the only year lately we've ran that much but we've never had an OL to do so until lately. NE doesn't run the ball that much in general.

What the heck does that have to do with suggesting he is in decline.


Manning, because of his drop off in play and age has to become a bit of a bus driver, but 2 years ago? Nope

Big Ben, he's elite, is he playing bus driver? Nope

We have Dez, but yet here we are running the ball 50%+ of the time because we need to take a load off Romo. The elite QB.

None of this is evidence of Romo being in decline. You're blowing smoke and deflecting. We run the ball because it's the smart thing to do esp if you don't have to play from behind. This has nothing to do with winning individual games and certainly nothing derogatory towards Romo.

Face it, we are not winning with him(championship) and we have not even come close.

We have had the QB but not the team on either side of the ball to win a SB excepting for 2014. He didn't play enough last year to include it in an evaluation. Again it's a team game. You need a QB to get there but you have to have the pieces to do the job. You can't give a QB the ball and say win the game.

Every time we decide to let Romo be Romo and play the role of Manning or Brady at the los its pick city, then this here forum starts calling for heads because we lack a running game or didn't run enough. So there is your proof, not everything is done or told by stats. You won't fool me, I watch the games.

I won't fool you. You're doing a great job all by yourself.

When Romo is asked to take over, he gets overwhelmed and starts throwing ints. He has his occasional game where he dominates, but for the most part he can't do it consistently. Not an elite QB

Most of the response is in the quote.

Take Romo out and put in NFL QB in that sentence. You can't have a defense allow blown leads and then say go out there Tony and win the damn game and expect that to occur all the time. Look at his come from behinds and 4th QTR wins and they are elite. His numbers are elite. He is not the best QB I've ever seen looking at their entire game but he is definitely in the top 25 and his numbers are just great. I see no decline in his play. I find it hard to think of a QB that has ever had his pocket presence, escapability, and ability to generate plays when necessary. Tarkenton had the first two but not the last to his degree.

If you put enough players out there to have a top ten offense and a good defense you stand a good chance of playing in a SB; as good as any team around everything else equal. Now that is an opinion. The rest are facts or just plain standard NFL football.

Show me where his play, in stats, has declined. Your opinion is fine as is mine. Facts stand my themselves though.
 

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Rather go with RG3 so the experiment can get over quickly.

Johnny is talented enough to keep having Jerry think, "maybe he'll get it this time". Not talented enough to be worth the headache, but talented enough to keep a fool like Jerry wishing and hoping.
 

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Let's see here. The fact we gave this guy almost everything, and the results have been the same, lack of playoffs, the fact we can't skate by the second round when we do go to the playoffs.

Let's also not pretend that Romo was the pick master at one point. Yes he has had some good years, but he has also had some very awful ones.

He's not elite. Elite QB's don't need to play bus driver role aka Alex Smith. That's what he is. Alex Smith is a damn good QB but he's not elite.

You don't see belichick making Brady run the ball over 50% of the time.

Manning, because of his drop off in play and age has to become a bit of a bus driver, but 2 years ago? Nope

Big Ben, he's elite, is he playing bus driver? Nope

We have Dez, but yet here we are running the ball 50%+ of the time because we need to take a load off Romo. The elite QB.

Face it, we are not winning with him(championship) and we have not even come close.

Every time we decide to let Romo be Romo and play the role of Manning or Brady at the los its pick city, then this here forum starts calling for heads because we lack a running game or didn't run enough. So there is your proof, not everything is done or told by stats. You won't fool me, I watch the games.

When Romo is asked to take over, he gets overwhelmed and starts throwing ints. He has his occasional game where he dominates, but for the most part he can't do it consistently. Not an elite QB

Some interesting points.

I love Romo but after almost 10 years of watching him..

my big drawback is that he doesn't elevate his game against the better teams and play from in front offensively.

We constantly fall behind and he is having to come back in 4th Qts and loses as many as he wins.

And it's not because of our defense.

It's because the offense under Romo usually averages only about 20 points a game.

Not blaming Romo but he is in charge of the offense and he has the burden of making the offense win.

Is he elite..no.

is he in the top 10 QBs..yes.

Is that enough..so far..no.
 

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Rather go with RG3 so the experiment can get over quickly.

Johnny is talented enough to keep having Jerry think, "maybe he'll get it this time". Not talented enough to be worth the headache, but talented enough to keep a fool like Jerry wishing and hoping.

You have some points, Hoofbite. I just don't like the kid...at all.
 

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Why does the long term solution at QB have to be a high draft pick? Romo wasn't a high draft pick, neither was Brady. And RG3 isn't coming in here as the starter, that's still Romo's job. RG3 will have to be coached up and learn the offense before the keys are turned over to him. That would take a couple of seasons. Until then he is a back up.

In the conference championship games, 3 out of the 4 QBs were drafted #1 overall.

The point is that finding another Tom Brady in the 6th round or finding another Tony Romo in UFA is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.
 

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Funny how I'm the one that's mad, but you quoted me, getting all defensive over your baby Robo. If she smashed my girl for me to be mad at him, so what favors is he providing to you, to keep you happy, and for you to keep defending him like your his wife?

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No player can do no wrong. However, Romo has been the ONLY thing that has kept the team from being 4-12 or 5-11 every year over the past 5-6 years. He's an elite QB. Those who don't recognize this fact are either biased, stupid, or both.

Exactly.................posters that advocate getting rid of Romo when we just went 1-11 without him make me seriously question their IQ.

Especially considering Romo was 3-1 as a starter this year, his only loss was to the 17-1 NFC Champion Panthers.............yea, he is a scrub:rolleyes:
 

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Most of the response is in the quote.

Take Romo out and put in NFL QB in that sentence. You can't have a defense allow blown leads and then say go out there Tony and win the damn game and expect that to occur all the time. Look at his come from behinds and 4th QTR wins and they are elite. His numbers are elite. He is not the best QB I've ever seen looking at their entire game but he is definitely in the top 25 and his numbers are just great. I see no decline in his play. I find it hard to think of a QB that has ever had his pocket presence, escapability, and ability to generate plays when necessary. Tarkenton had the first two but not the last to his degree.

If you put enough players out there to have a top ten offense and a good defense you stand a good chance of playing in a SB; as good as any team around everything else equal. Now that is an opinion. The rest are facts or just plain standard NFL football.

Show me where his play, in stats, has declined. Your opinion is fine as is mine. Facts stand my themselves though.

Well his stats haven't declined, because we have done a great job protecting him. Not letting him sling the rock like he use to.

Then when we lose, we can blame the defense. Or a guy like Wade Philips who's in the Superbowl.

Look, Romo is good. He's just not elite, and I honestly feel, if I want to see the team do good, and possibly flirt with the playoffs, but know damn well we might get booted out and have a crappy draft pick. I'll take Romo.

I hope I'm wrong if we decide to roll with him next year. Trust me. I want this team to win it all, but we won't and that's fact. You can save this quote till after the season.
 

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In the conference championship games, 3 out of the 4 QBs were drafted #1 overall.

The point is that finding another Tom Brady in the 6th round or finding another Tony Romo in UFA is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.

Goff will be gone before we get our pick and the Cowboys are leaning toward drafting WR Treadwell over QB Lynch so your point is falling on deaf ears at the FO. That's why I've been saying the long term solution for replacing Romo won't be acquired this off season. RG3 will be a short term back up.
 

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Well his stats haven't declined, because we have done a great job protecting him. Not letting him sling the rock like he use to.

Then when we lose, we can blame the defense. Or a guy like Wade Philips who's in the Superbowl.

Look, Romo is good. He's just not elite, and I honestly feel, if I want to see the team do good, and possibly flirt with the playoffs, but know damn well we might get booted out and have a crappy draft pick. I'll take Romo.

I hope I'm wrong if we decide to roll with him next year. Trust me. I want this team to win it all, but we won't and that's fact. You can save this quote till after the season.

Did we protect Romo in 2013 or even 2011? His numbers in both those years were identical to 2014. You think if we had an elite QB, we win a SB in those years? Because I don't think so. I don't think any QB be it Rodgers or Brady would win in 2013 with that historically bad defense and inconsistent run game by fault of the offensive coaching staff. Look, I understand if you want to get rid of Romo (I don't). But replacing him with Manziel and Rg3 is not the answer. We would be worse with them.
 
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