Troy, Babe Talk about Changes In Offense

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There is zero question that MM is hugely concerned the interceptions. Not turning the ball over was MM's calling card as he was coming up with the Chiefs and Saints.

I really think people need to get over the whole blame and fault paradigm. I don't think MM even thinks along those lines. He certainly never talks like that.
Agreed, and I dont see MM running the ball into the teeth of a good Dline just to have rush attempts either, I see more of a directed attack on individual defensive players comming...this will shorten Dak's read progression which will lead to less INT's. Alot of those INT's seemed to come late in a progression when the pocket heat was on...kinda like 99% of all QB's INT's.
 

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That was part of what I meant. With MM now running the offense. Dak will not have as many people in his ear all week. As MM does his other responsibilities. So Dak can focus more in is own way.
That is my opinion of course, as we have no idea how it was before and how it will be now. Most likely not completely different.

However, whatever they do, Dak must cut down those INT's, throw better on target passes. Maybe that 30% change and play calling will achieve that. Along with a better OL and less predictable offense.
Just looking on the bright side for any improvements. Not defending Dak from past performances.
Time will tell. I hope for the best
 

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Agreed, and I dont see MM running the ball into the teeth of a good Dline just to have rush attempts either, I see more of a directed attack on individual defensive players comming...this will shorten Dak's read progression which will lead to less INT's. Alot of those INT's seemed to come late in a progression when the pocket heat was on...kinda like 99% of all QB's INT's.
Hawkeye19 wrote a fine wishful post on the offseason corrections to Dak's game he hoped McCarthy could correct and was impressively optimistic as well.

You can't just ignore a 7 year vet missing Hilton on the other side of the field streaking untouched waving when there was literally no defensive player on that entire side of the field.

And maybe you, but I don't think so can't blame the play call on a 2nd and 2 regardless if its an empty set backfield. Change the play, run, but for gosh sakes don't make the pass to the blanketed receiver after staring him down.

2 quick examples of Dak and his decision making. It ain't going away. There's a whole lot more. Not just the 15 picks. He doesn't even run when there's wide open field.

But anyway, and believe it or not,
McCarthy's gonna figure this out too.

REGARDLESS of the play he calls, it can't change the guy on the field in charge of executing the play.

And that's the problem.
Regardless of ANYTHING else.
 
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Hawkeye19 wrote a fine wishful post on the offseason corrections to Dak's game he hoped McCarthy could correct and was impressively optimistic as well.

You can't just ignore a 7 year vet missing Hilton on the other side of the field streaking untouched waving when there was literally no defensive player on that entire side of the field.

And maybe you, but I don't think so can't blame the play call on a 2nd and 2 regardless if its an empty set backfield. Change the play, run, but for gosh sakes don't make the pass to the blanketed receiver after staring him down.

2 quick examples of Dak and his decision making. It ain't going away. There's a whole lot more. Not just the 15 picks. He doesn't even run when there's wide open field.

Byt anyway, and believe it or not,
McCarthy's gonna figure this out too.

REGARDLESS of the play he calls, it can't change the guy in charge of executing the play.
like Dak or dont like Dak is not my point, KM ran a full WR option scheme were you read the field as the play developed and went to whom ever was beating their guy, 2 things with this 1: Every WR had to run the correct option route and the QB had to be on the same page, lots of room for error 2: if Noah Brown and a 50% MG couldnt beat there guy your taunting the pocket clock at 3 to 4 seconds and that is flirting with INT's no matter who the QB is..on to MM and what he has done: he will have a hot read scheme that try's and gets a WR in a mismatch in coverage that is the key play..if its no there he will have basically a 2nd and 3rd read in which he wants the ball to then come out either to the stands or run and slide. he will also use his RB's as recievers for more than dump offs he will scheme texas routes and such to draw the saftey's up looking for his 3 to 4 long balls a game. In short: Lamb should have his best year and it may be by alot and the ball will come out much quicker than it has for many years. But yeah if Dak sucks then none of this matters but early in his career Dak did well with this kind of offense.
 

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Or could this be another failed attempt to have a bash Dak thread. It was tried yesterday, and again today?
I have absolutely zero idea where you came up with that.

I've never started or indulged in Dak bashing threads...and there was absolutely no hint of Dak criticism in Troy, Babe's comments.
 

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If any of you think that Mike Mccarthy, after two 12-5 seasons and poised for another successful campaign, is in any danger or feeling any pressure you're drunk!

Thinking along those line just has no basis in reality.
 

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The Dak arguments, well they've gotten old and tired. He 'll be here until he isn't. He wins football games , he'll be here. If he don't , he won't

Go Boys !!!!!
 

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like Dak or dont like Dak is not my point, KM ran a full WR option scheme were you read the field as the play developed and went to whom ever was beating their guy, 2 things with this 1: Every WR had to run the correct option route and the QB had to be on the same page, lots of room for error 2: if Noah Brown and a 50% MG couldnt beat there guy your taunting the pocket clock at 3 to 4 seconds and that is flirting with INT's no matter who the QB is..on to MM and what he has done: he will have a hot read scheme that try's and gets a WR in a mismatch in coverage that is the key play..if its no there he will have basically a 2nd and 3rd read in which he wants the ball to then come out either to the stands or run and slide. he will also use his RB's as recievers for more than dump offs he will scheme texas routes and such to draw the saftey's up looking for his 3 to 4 long balls a game. In short: Lamb should have his best year and it may be by alot and the ball will come out much quicker than it has for many years. But yeah if Dak sucks then none of this matters but early in his career Dak did well with this kind of offense.
Not sure how McCarthy can in anyway simulate Linehan's 2016 version of Dak if that's the playcalling success you refer to, but if that's what you are talking about, I'm all for it.
Whatever limits passing volume and Dak having to think, I'm all for.

So with that said, it seems a contradiction that McCarthy's WCO background kinda contradicts the speculative play designs you claim he should run while also acquiring Cooks and many claiming TE to be the 1st rd choice. I believe McCarthy ultimately defaults to his pass first factory settings.
And again, me knowing what he is stuck with at QB and then trying to pull off an Aaron Rodgers playbook is a recipe for disaster for Prescott.
He's not capable.

But again, as I agreed with a couple of other guys before you, if you're talking 'bout assembling anything remotely similar to 2016's offense, sign me up.

I will remain highly doubtful though.
Anything other than that will fail imo.
 

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If any of you think that Mike Mccarthy, after two 12-5 seasons and poised for another successful campaign, is in any danger or feeling any pressure you're drunk!

Thinking along those line just has no basis in reality.
Lots of people are drunk, then, thinking McCarthy is under job pressure.

NBC's Drunk Florio and Drunk Simms claim McCarthy's under big pressure.

Link:


Sports Illustrated's drunk Adam Schultz says "the pressure is on McCarthy to replicate or exceed what Moore did in Dallas."

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...mike-mccarthy-west-coast-offense-kellen-moore

Dallas Morning News: drunk too:
"With Kellen Moore's departure, the pressure is now on Mike McCarthy..."
 

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Not sure how McCarthy can in anyway simulate Linehan's 2016 version of Dak if that's the playcalling success you refer to, but if that's what you are talking about, I'm all for it.
Whatever limits passing volume and Dak having to think, I'm all for.

So with that said, it seems a contradiction that McCarthy's WCO background kinda contradicts the speculative play designs you claim he should run while also acquiring Cooks and many claiming TE to be the 1st rd choice. I believe McCarthy ultimately defaults to his pass first factory settings.
And again, me knowing what he is stuck with at QB and then trying to pull off an Aaron Rodgers playbook is a recipe for disaster for Prescott.
He's not capable.

But again, as I agreed with a couple of other guys before you, if you're talking 'bout assembling anything remotely similar to 2016's offense, sign me up.

I will remain highly doubtful though.
Anything other than that will fail imo.
How so? what about the WCO background is contradictory to that? I dont think MM will pound the run just to pound the run, if its not there he will figure out another way to get those yards thats the thing about the WCO...RB's are used in the passing game to get 4 to 5 yards alot, you will see more route schemes that try and get matchups than just 4 recievers going out into option routes and needing to read all 4 to make the best play. I'm not saying Dak was good at a run first offense when i say he did well earlier...Im talking about the passing scheme then, it had hot reads and sections of field they were attacking and if it wasnt there run or kill the play...thats how this is the same. Make the 3 reads then go or throw it away.
 

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Lots of people are drunk, then, thinking McCarthy is under job pressure.

NBC's Drunk Florio and Drunk Simms claim McCarthy's under big pressure.

Link:


Sports Illustrated's drunk Adam Schultz says "the pressure is on McCarthy to replicate or exceed what Moore did in Dallas."

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...mike-mccarthy-west-coast-offense-kellen-moore

Dallas Morning News: drunk too:
"With Kellen Moore's departure, the pressure is now on Mike McCarthy..."

They're not Drunk they just don't know what the hell they're talking about. NBC really?

To each his own though, People listen to who they listen to .

I find following Narratives to be boring, so I don't do it. Anything these talking ,cardboard cut out spout is utter Boolschyte to me.

Never heard them speak,

Just My opinion but Mike is safe, why wouldn't he be? He's a good coach getting the job done
 

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How so? what about the WCO background is contradictory to that? I dont think MM will pound the run just to pound the run, if its not there he will figure out another way to get those yards thats the thing about the WCO...RB's are used in the passing game to get 4 to 5 yards alot, you will see more route schemes that try and get matchups than just 4 recievers going out into option routes and needing to read all 4 to make the best play. I'm not saying Dak was good at a run first offense when i say he did well earlier...Im talking about the passing scheme then, it had hot reads and sections of field they were attacking and if it wasnt there run or kill the play...thats how this is the same. Make the 3 reads then go or throw it away.
However far we want to get into dissecting X's an Os and we could, I still arrive at the same conclusion.
You are more open to accepting McCarthy's offseason offensive change speeches than I am because you believe all these supposed variables can have a distinct influence on changing Dak's past behavior.
I do not think McCarthy's so called changes will change anything and the farther into the season it gets, that this will become more obvious that nothing has really changed at all.

It's all good man.
Opinions vary.
I respect yours.
 

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There is zero question that MM is hugely concerned the interceptions. Not turning the ball over was MM's calling card as he was coming up with the Chiefs and Saints.

I really think people need to get over the whole blame and fault paradigm. I don't think MM even thinks along those lines. He certainly never talks like that.
I'm hoping, desperately, that what you're saying is true. I've been supporting MM since he got with this team. After reading what Aikman had to say, doubts came rushing in like gangbusters. Maybe I'm trusting in his perception more than what is actually warranted. It sounded like he's inclined to distrust MM, while on the other hand, I can't really blame MM for wanting to eliminate the picks. I've always been one to wait for the proof of such suspicions. I believe I'll revert back to that tendency, rather than jumping to conclusions. The facts usually make themselves known in due time. He's under plenty of pressure from Jerry and Stephen, without a doubt. It goes with the job like peanut butter and jelly. It's also up to Dak to prove himself under pressure. Things always get testy when the FO starts wringing their hands. There's lots to prove for everyone concerned.
 
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https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/aikman-weighs-in-on-mccarthy-calling-plays

Troy Airman:


Babe Laufenberg on 105.3:

Your conclusions, take-aways?
Aikman was vague, and just says it will be different lol, and we have to wait and see ! well duh troy, we already knew that.

Babe seemed to infer that KM was doing a good job if you look at the stats, being at top of the lists, and that for mike to change
the offense that did that, mike may not be able to be at top of lists, or as good in stats. also said wait and see, but he doesnt seem
to have much confidence in mike and the changes.
 

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I think you're on to something and to be honest my thoughts are similar. I won't go as far as to say MM blames Dak for the 49er's loss but disappointed, yes. Let's just say, it's obvious he had to have seen enough to make the changes we are seeing. Honestly, and know this will raise a hair or two with some but I don't see him letting Dak and his interceptions stand in the way of a good season. Put more bluntly, if Dak can adjust to MM's changes w/o turnover issues, he may find himself on the bench. I know that's bold but.......
I don't quite see Dak sitting on the bench, considering the ways that our FO supports him like he's God's gift to football. I suspect MM is under lots of pressure from the FO and can't really blame him for wanting to eliminate the miscues from anyone on the offense. He's been an offensive coach for a majority of his career and it's a compelling habit for him to stick with that determination. I think the players respect him, also.

Let's just wait and see what's to come in the near and distant future. Hopefully, needed corrections will be forthcoming. Seems like MM is ready to assert some discipline with this team. That's a big part of his job -- evidently, he's prepared to demand more from everyone. We'll see how this thing turns out. Here's hoping the players respond. Dak is the type of guy to listen and try to cooperate. He'll be supportive, I trust.
 
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IMO, mike did throw KM under the bus for playoff failure, and convinced jerry he could do better.
Jerry bought it and dumped kellen.
They all seem to avoid looking at dak as the reason , maybe because they know jerry likes dak and wants him to be dallas qb no matter what.

I will be watching chargers off next year to see how kellen does there, and dallas will be more interesting with mike calling plays.

However the real test will be to see how both teams do in playoffs, as that is where dallas seems to always have problems with offense,
and last time chargers had great 1st half, then only 3 points in 2nd which cost them the game.

I think mike who has been not so good at game and time mgmt will be even worse at it, since he will have his head into a play sheet,
deciding which play to call next.

I also think with dak having to learn a new offense to some degree, and a new wr in cooks, no shultz, and having to read defense in a different way,
and throwing quickly, could wind up making even more mistakes.

Dak has a lot to learn and many adjustments to make once games start. Is he up to it? I dont know.
 

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Bad QB play has ended their last 2 seasons. That needs fixed.

Everything else is just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
The Cowboys went into the game against the number one defense in the 9ers with an eroding offensive line that was injured, mixed and matched. Pollard was the only real running threat. And a WR corps built upon spares that cannot gain separation or protect the ball, an injury-recovering receiver who has a specific skill set and - to me - was half-arsing the games toward the end of the season (so glad we re-upped him with a raise.)

So this was not a balanced offense in the least.

Then Pollard is injured and the team has CeeDee and a bunch of nothing.

And yet, even with nothing to show for an offense, Dallas was tied with the 9ers until moments before the fourth quarter.

The 9ers scored 19 points. And if Dallas had a balanced offense, and not a patchwork line, Dallas would have won that game. Regardless of the interceptions.

All the mumbling and carping about Dak ignores the truth about this team. The offensive line is not all that. And unless the Braintrust - and I use the term brain as the punchline to a joke - gets their act together and brings in something other than a crappy guard they got off the discard pile, we will see more of the same.

Dak needs more protection. I don't give a rats' wrinkle what other QB's do. When he gets protection, he can be pretty good. I think a great deal better than the detractors could imagine. But, but, but, Mahomes..... Go be a Chief's fan.

The line needs to protect and open holes.

The Cowboys gave up an average of 18 points per game. Fix the line by getting a stud guard, and add a TE and rookie WR, then tee it up.
 

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Bad QB play has ended their last 2 seasons. That needs fixed.

Everything else is just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
It's not just bad QB play that can be fixed. The defense we're up against has a lot to do with it. That D pretty much shut down Rodgers and the Packers a year ago. From what I've heard, Daniel Jones had a good game against the Vikings. How'd he do against Philly? One defense is not like the other.

If the Cowboys run game gets shut down, we're not beating a really good defense through the air. Not with our current approach. Something has to change or it's just going to keep repeating itself.
 

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the obvious explanation to Dak's inconsistant play from game to game is very simple. When he faces a good pass defense and the cowboys running game stalls , he cannot make critical throws due to confusion and lack of ability to adjust . Often, he throws a pick or two or more.
Even before the 49ers game last year , remember the dak debacle against the broncos in dallas and many many other games like that.
This is why he is not elite. He will win some games but not the important games , especially in the playoffs.
 
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