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It's very simple. When people get popped for it I lose all respect for them.

I don't understand what's so hard to understand about that.

I give roid uses absolutely zero credit for anything they do because they deserve zero credit.

What happens when fighters look alot different physically in the ring without officially ever getting popped?

Or when Anderson Silva popped?

The majority of fighters have been on PED's , and the best organization in Pride used to live off of them.

You mention Ronda and Conor McGregor as 2 of your favorite fighters, well that explains alot about you and your opinions......lol
 

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Not an Anderson Silva fan then either anymore then? What about the differences in the physiques of fighters who have not popped officially but look vastly different when they stepped into the cage.

What about Jon Jones abnormal hormone levels when he fought Cormier?

You can defend Ronda and her ducking Cyborg to the last breath too. I mean watching her fight the Bethe's of the world must be completely satisfying :rolleyes:

lmao!!!

It's far more satisfying then watching you bumble around in this thread constantly trying to make excuses for your cheater.

And no I no longer have any respect for Anderson Silva or Jon Jones. They lost that respect and as far as I'm concerned they're now cheaters and deserve zero respect.

And as I stated before until a person gets popped I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I will have some questions in my mind but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they get popped.

So your silly little no officially is pointless and already been covered more than once in this thread. And it does nothing for the Cyborg discussion as I don't have to wonder or question at this point. The has been caught. More than once. She got caught enough that she served a 1 year suspension for being caught. She has already used up all the benefit of the doubt she will ever get.

She's a cheater. Period.

As is Silva.

As is Aldo.

As is Jones, although I don't recall him testing for PED's but he popped for Coke so he's just as much a douchebag as any of the PED users are in the world of MMA.

If you're okay with that type of stuff good for you and more power to you.
 

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What happens when fighters look alot different physically in the ring without officially ever getting popped?

Or when Anderson Silva popped?

The majority of fighters have been on PED's , and the best organization in Pride used to live off of them.

You mention Ronda and Conor McGregor as 2 of your favorite fighters, well that explains alot about you and your opinions......lol

Good. I'm glad. And you're ignorance in your discussions of the two have shown the validity of your opinion on the subject of MMA. This particular topic has shown me what I've suspected for quite sometime.
 

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Good. I'm glad. And you're ignorance in your discussions of the two have shown the validity of your opinion on the subject of MMA. This particular topic has shown me what I've suspected for quite sometime.

You are exactly the type of fan that has made Dana millions of dollars. Dana builds a hype train out of media and you are blinded by it. Anyone who knows actual MMA or the other disciplines, trains MMA, or has common sense can see Dana building hype trains out of $$ on those 2 fighters.

For the record I would also like to know when Aldo has tested positive for steroids. You keep saying Cyborg is my girl, but she isn't one of my favorite fighters. From a stylistic matchup you just simply are not giving a very good fighter her credit.

In both other discussions I have called Ronda and Conor both very good fighters, but not invincible. They have big flaws in their game but are a product of matchups, shallow competition (Ronda) and other circumstances aided by Dana. You are ignorant yourself if you can't admit that they get the most favorable matchups and are protected in specific ways by Dana.

Have you not followed Judo when Ronda competed? Or did you know of her after her first couple of UFC fights? Did you actually know of Conor before he got into the UFC, or did you jump onto the hype train when he started running his mouth? Was your favorite fighter Brock Lesnar back in the day as well?

Want to know the next fighter who will have a massive hype train behind him once Dana gets ahold of him? Michael Page from England. Once he gets into the UFC Dana will push England harder than Bisping ever could. Mark my words. This is how Dana works. I am sure you already know of Page however since your knowledge of MMA is without flaw.
 

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What happens when fighters look alot different physically in the ring without officially ever getting popped?

Or when Anderson Silva popped?

The majority of fighters have been on PED's , and the best organization in Pride used to live off of them.

You mention Ronda and Conor McGregor as 2 of your favorite fighters, well that explains alot about you and your opinions......lol


And those fights were legendary.

I kinda wish PEDs were allowed in MMA honestly lol.

Alistair Overeem on gear is one of the funner things in sports to watch. He's like a real life Street Fighter character.
 

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Want to know the next fighter who will have a massive hype train behind him once Dana gets ahold of him? Michael Page from England. Once he gets into the UFC Dana will push England harder than Bisping ever could. Mark my words. This is how Dana works. I am sure you already know of Page however since your knowledge of MMA is without flaw.


Bisping was soooo overrated at one point in time.

It was so nice when he stepped in the cage with Dan Henderson and finally got his reality check.
 

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Bisping was soooo overrated at one point in time.

It was so nice when he stepped in the cage with Dan Henderson and finally got his reality check.

Agreed, I was watching that live when he got Hendo-Bombed. The follow up was beautiful. If I was Bisping I would never want to fight Hendo again.
 

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And those fights were legendary.

I kinda wish PEDs were allowed in MMA honestly lol.

Alistair Overeem on gear is one of the funner things in sports to watch. He's like a real life Street Fighter character.

Yeah it is weird to see Overeem look small now. When he took out Brock was scary. His fights vs Badr Hari were great too back in K-1
 

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And those fights were legendary.

I kinda wish PEDs were allowed in MMA honestly lol.

Alistair Overeem on gear is one of the funner things in sports to watch. He's like a real life Street Fighter character.

Augmentation. Enhancements ... Ie. PED's are in "sports" future.

Your wish will come true.
 

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And those fights were legendary.

I kinda wish PEDs were allowed in MMA honestly lol.

Alistair Overeem on gear is one of the funner things in sports to watch. He's like a real life Street Fighter character.

Too dangerous, IMO, to allow PED's in a combat sport like that.
 

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Another aspect of this Rousey/She-male debate, it makes no sense whatsoever for the UFC to do this fight anywhere but at 135. What sense would it make to do it at 140, risk Cyborg beating your unbeatable star and have no weight class for her in your promotion? It would be a completely idiotic business move. You just killed your women's division.

What Ronda said has stuck in my brain because it's so true. If you can make 145 taking steroids, and she absolutely has, you can make 135 without it. She just doesn't want to. It would require her to stop cycling during her off period and enter camp leaner (woman-ish). She wants no part of that. She knows her only shot is to come in half man and hope to land a haymaker before getting tossed and rag dolled into submission.
 

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Another aspect of this Rousey/She-male debate, it makes no sense whatsoever for the UFC to do this fight anywhere but at 135. What sense would it make to do it at 140, risk Cyborg beating your unbeatable star and have no weight class for her in your promotion? It would be a completely idiotic business move. You just killed your women's division.

What Ronda said has stuck in my brain because it's so true. If you can make 145 taking steroids, and she absolutely has, you can make 135 without it. She just doesn't want to. It would require her to stop cycling during her off period and enter camp leaner (woman-ish). She wants no part of that. She knows her only shot is to come in half man and hope to land a haymaker before getting tossed and rag dolled into submission.

Cyborg has already said she would do Olympic style drug testing for almost a whole year to prove to Ronda she is clean.

I have no issues with Ronda not wanting to fight higher than 135, but for the love of god she needs to stop talking about the Cyborg fight if she has no intentions to do so. She comes out and talks about wanting to fight guys, Mayweather, Cain, etc.

GSP never had a time where he was trying to bait Anderson into a catchweight superfight. Either stay at your weight class and shut up, or talk trash to someone and go prove a point by meeting at 140.

I am tired of the all bark and no bite cycle of this situation. Ronda knows Cyborg can't make weight, so she will run her mouth. Cyborg offers drug testing and is pleading for the fight. Then we go back to the weight situation.

It is highly annoying to hear about it over and over.

In better MMA news, Paul Felder will be fighting Ross Pearson at 191. R.I.P Pearson.
 

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Didn't she kinda ruin gina caranos career? Gina stood tough but the Roids made it impossible. She quit soon after right?

You have to understand that Gina had made her career by beating up chicks who were much smaller than her. She couldn't make weight at lower classes, failed a couple of times, so they instituted a 145 weight class for her. Then they populated it with chicks who were fighting at 125 and 135 before that. I remember when she fought Kaitlyn Young and Young's previous fight had been at 125. So Carano was beating up girls considerably smaller than she was until she faced Cyborg. That was the first time she faced a woman who was as big as her. Gina was walking around above 160 (some reports were in the range of 180) when she was doing American Gladiators and the girls she was fighting against were having other fights below 130. But when they got a chance to fight her they took it because Elite had created a weight class she could fit into and made her the face of WMMA. So they fought above their class just for the chance and exposure. And she pounded them. Then Cyborg came along and she was every bit as big and stronger, so she did to Gina what Gina had been doing to smaller and weaker opponents. Gina didn't like life on that side of the beating, so she retired.

Gina stood tough? Sure, and so did Kaitlyn Young when she was giving up 20 lbs to Gina. Seemed fair then though, because everyone wanted the pretty chick to win. Whether she was doing so fairly or not wasn't the issue. And don't fool yourself, those fights weren't fair. EliteXC made the weight class for her - she couldn't even make 140 so they had to bump it up. Meanwhile her opponents were fighting at 125 in other bouts.
 

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I hope she dumps the drugs and makes the weight. I cannot wait for Ronda to beat that steroid-ed man-beast in 36 seconds by breaking her manly arm ...... wonder what excuses the pro steroid crowd will come up with then.
 

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^ Bet that guy didn't know Ronda abused alcohol and drugs not too long ago.

Probably became a fan just recently.
 

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You have to understand that Gina had made her career by beating up chicks who were much smaller than her. She couldn't make weight at lower classes, failed a couple of times, so they instituted a 145 weight class for her. Then they populated it with chicks who were fighting at 125 and 135 before that. I remember when she fought Kaitlyn Young and Young's previous fight had been at 125. So Carano was beating up girls considerably smaller than she was until she faced Cyborg. That was the first time she faced a woman who was as big as her. Gina was walking around above 160 (some reports were in the range of 180) when she was doing American Gladiators and the girls she was fighting against were having other fights below 130. But when they got a chance to fight her they took it because Elite had created a weight class she could fit into and made her the face of WMMA. So they fought above their class just for the chance and exposure. And she pounded them. Then Cyborg came along and she was every bit as big and stronger, so she did to Gina what Gina had been doing to smaller and weaker opponents. Gina didn't like life on that side of the beating, so she retired.

Gina stood tough? Sure, and so did Kaitlyn Young when she was giving up 20 lbs to Gina. Seemed fair then though, because everyone wanted the pretty chick to win. Whether she was doing so fairly or not wasn't the issue. And don't fool yourself, those fights weren't fair. EliteXC made the weight class for her - she couldn't even make 140 so they had to bump it up. Meanwhile her opponents were fighting at 125 in other bouts.

Not a big deal. Boxing sets up tomato cans to build up a fighter.

Not the issue? That's crazy. But ok. I don't have a dog in this race.
Cyborg was unfairly strong due to enhancements and yes, gina did hang tough in spite if it. I give he credit.
 

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Did those give her a competitive advantage in the ring? Stupid comparison ......... but its the type of excuses I expect from the pro steroid crowd,

So wait did you actually know all about her alcohol and drug abuse issues not too long ago? Or are you just deflecting the fact that the only reason you know of Ronda is because of her success in the UFC?
 

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Did those give her a competitive advantage in the ring? Stupid comparison ......... but its the type of excuses I expect from the pro steroid crowd,

It's in her book. She partied a little in between the Olympics and starting her fighting career. What that has to do with PEDs I don't know. Seems desperate to even mention it.

Cyborg deserves respect from no one. She has routinely entered the cage juiced to the gills with no consideration for her opponent's safety.
 
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