Uh oh - TO

[Doomsday101]

You just confirmed my suspicion. You don't like TO and think of him as less than human. Kind of hard to discuss this topic rationally with someone that thinks this way. Have a good weekend.

TO has gotten into it with every coach he has had, he runs his mouth and creates these problems enough so that both SF and Philly got rid of him. That says a lot when a player can put up big numbers and yet teams are turning around and saying you are not worth it. Lastly if throwing temper tantrums is your ideal of being a man then you have a problem that is what I expect from a little kid not a man.

 

[theogt]

TO has gotten into it with every coach he has had, he runs his mouth and creates these problems enough so that both SF and Philly got rid of him. That says a lot when a player can put up big numbers and yet teams are turning around and saying you are not worth it. Lastly if throwing temper tantrums is your ideal of being a man then you have a problem that is what I expect from a little kid not a man.

I'm just thankful some of you guys aren't running this organization. Some people really need to thicken their skin.

 

[Da Hammer]

the only annoying part of this situation to me is that now the media will blow it out of proportion. how was this leaked to the media anyways??? if it was in a meeting shouldnt it have stayed indoors???

 

[Deep_Freeze]

TO has gotten into it with every coach he has had, he runs his mouth and creates these problems enough so that both SF and Philly got rid of him. That says a lot when a player can put up big numbers and yet teams are turning around and saying you are not worth it. Lastly if throwing temper tantrums is your ideal of being a man then you have a problem that is what I expect from a little kid not a man.

In SF, they didn't want to pay him and they were losing.

In Philly, they didn't want to pay him, but they were winning.

In Dallas, we will pay him, but we are losing (2-2 not bad, not good, but we lost the Philly game that was important to him).

See any common traits there? You win and you pay him, he will be fine. Violate one of those two, you are in trouble. If you are going to lose, give him the ball to try to change that.

 

[SacredStar]

To say that someone who gets in a shouting match with a coach doesn't deserve to be on the team is just plain silly. I'm sure it happens all the time.

When it may be an occasional shouting match with different players here and there, it would be more acceptable. But when it's the same player who has done it his entire career then there is a problem with that player's attitude.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You win and you pay him, he will be fine. Violate one of those two, you are in trouble.

Are you saying he's going to tear the team apart if we don't win?

I really think Bill will not allow that.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Are you saying he's going to tear the team apart if we don't win?

I really think Bill will not allow that.

Well, if you think demanding the ball is tearing the team apart, then yes. If we don't win, TO will want the ball more to try to prevent it from happening. He used an Irvin statement the other day, "Got to get the ball in the playmaker's hands"

I don't think him wanting the ball more if we are losing is a bad thing. Heck, he probably would be able to help us win.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Well, if you think demanding the ball is tearing the team apart, then yes. If we don't win, TO will want the ball more to try to prevent it from happening. He used an Irvin statement the other day, "Got to get the ball in the playmaker's hands"

I don't think him wanting the ball more if we are losing is a bad thing. Heck, he probably would be able to help us win.

It depends on how he "demands" it. By insisting the QB be benched, by exploding on his coaches, by refusing to conform to the offensive design - that's not 'good' in my book.

All the players want to win, every last one of them. And my guess is each one harbors some small or large idea of what would ensure winning - for the skill players, that would likely mean putting the ball more often in their hands.

But the skills players who are playing the best like JJ and Terry aren't publically saying 'give me the ball more...I'm the best chance to win". So why does the current highest-paid underachiever get to make covert or overt ultimatums?

The fanbase is starting to sound like a wierd perversion of the "Patty Hearst Syndrome"...after being held hostage for some time, you begin to identify with your captor.

I admit Owens has me feeling like we're walking on eggshells, and a Philly-style firestorm is about to descend upon us...but I'm not yet ready to entirely capitulate to boorish behavior and to-date undistingushed play.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

It depends on how he "demands" it. By insisting the QB be benched, by exploding on his coaches, by refusing to conform to the offensive design - that' not 'good' in my book.

All the players want to win, every last one of them. And my guess is each one harbors some small or large idea of what would ensure winning - for the skill players, that would likely mean putting the ball more often in their hands.

But the skills players who are playing the best like JJ and Terry aren't publically saying 'give me the ball more...I'm the best chance to win". So why does the current highest-paid underachiever get to make covert or overt ultimatums?

The fanbase is starting to sound like a wierd perversion of the "Patty hearts Syndrome"...after being held hostage for some time, you begin to identify with your captor.

I admit Owens has me feeling like we're walking on eggshells, and a Philly-style firestorm is about to descend upon us...but I'm not yet ready to entirely capitulate to boorish behavior and to-date undistingushed play.

Nah, I don't see a Philly style blowup cause one, we are giving him his money. Two, we will win games.

TO is the only one of JJ and Glenn who is well below his career stats, so he has reason to believe he can do more than he is doing, cause he has done more in the past.

The drive to win is different amongst people, of course noone wants to lose, but if some people lose, they will kill themselves to try to win. While others will just accept the lost, and move on.

TO isn't going to be politically correct, he will say the wrong thing, or it will be misunderstood. All TO knows is to tell what he honestly thinks without filtering, especially when upset. As you saw in the press conference right after the game, he didn't attack anyone (and the media was trying to start something), so it is possible for him to treat the situation the right way.

Haley pissed him off, and that was the result yesterday. Punish him, fine him, whatever, and just move on. Players have fought with their coaches all the time, but as we know, if it is TO, it is front page news. Don't buy into their hype.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Nah, I don't see a Philly style blowup cause one, we are giving him his money. Two, we will win games.

TO is the only one of JJ and Glenn who is well below his career stats, so he has reason to believe he can do more than he is doing, cause he has done more in the past.

The drive to win is different amongst people, of course noone wants to lose, but if some people lose, they will kill themselves to try to win. While others will just accept the lost, and move on.

TO isn't going to be politically correct, he will say the wrong thing, or it will be misunderstood. All TO knows is to tell what he honestly thinks without filtering, especially when upset. As you saw in the press conference right after the game, he didn't attack anyone (and the media was trying to start something), so it is possible for him to treat the situation the right way.

Haley pissed him off, and that was the result yesterday. Punish him, fine him, whatever, and just move on. Players have fought with their coaches all the time, but as we know, if it is TO, it is front page news. Don't buy into their hype.

Did you listen to Owens himself on that LeBatard interview?

You could hear him trying not to break out-down-up. Kept saying he was "trying to say the right things"...but his voice demonstrated he was sorely pressed holding it in.

This is where I find fault with his handlers. It did Owens absolutely no good to go on that radio show today (even if it was his own) and tell the world he can no longer 'trust' Todd Haley. Shades of Brad Childress, who last year was ordered by Owens not to address him at all.

Why couldn't the strangely silent Rosenhaus or the sarcastic Etheridge just counsel Owens to skip that show today...as LeBatard prophetized, "by 6PM it will be the lead off story on SportsCenter?"

Sure it was hysterically funny (Dude) including the thinly veiled derision with which LeBatard treated TO for the entire thing, but it was just another flaming ring in the Owens traveling circus, and one in which he went on record about a lack of 'trust', strongly implying his OC is both a leak and a cad.

It's an emotional week for Owens..one can only imagine what that game last week meant to him. It was best he said nothing today about the leaked story.

Instead, he heaped even more pressure upon himself.

 

[JPM]

Ugh.

It's about to get unbearable up in here.

Been like that for months....
If Bill isn't going to make a big deal about it neither am I.
Woodson said it's not a big deal on ESPN tonight. I'm surprised they didn't drag him away from the camera.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Did you listen to Owens himself on that LeBatard interview?

You could hear him trying not to break out-down-up. Kept saying he was "trying to say the right things"...but his voice demonstrated he was sorely pressed holding it in.

This is where I find fault with his handlers. It did Owens absolutely no good to go on that radio show today (even if it was his own) and tell the world he can no longer 'trust' Todd Haley. Shades of Brad Childress, who last year was ordered by Owens not to address him at all.

Why couldn't the strangely silent Rosenhaus or the sarcastic Etheridge just counsel Owens to skip that show today...as LeBatard prophetized, "by 6PM it will be the lead off story on SportsCenter?"

Sure it was hysterically funny (Dude) including the thinly veiled derision with which LeBatard treated TO for the entire thing, but it was just another flaming ring in the Owens traveling circus, and one in which he went on record about a lack of 'trust', strongly implying his OC is both a leak and a cad.

It's an emotional week for Owens..one can only imagine what that game last week meant to him. It was best he said nothing today about the leaked story.

Instead, he heaped even more pressure upon himself.

No, I didn't see that interview, maybe I can catch it somewhere or there is a transcript that will be posted here.

You say you could hear trying to not breakdown, do you mean laughing or crying?

The trust issue is obvious though, if you remember that long article about his past. TO doesn't trust anyone, so that is nothing new.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Whoa, they just reported here in NY that Parcells and TO argument deteriorated into a physical scuffle and that the team had to pull TO off of Parcells!!!!

I heard that. You didn't finish the story though. Parcells contacted Hugh Douglas in Philly, then JJ flew him to Dallas in his private jet to beat TO up again.

The story just keeps getting bigger :laugh2:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

No, I didn't see that interview, maybe I can catch it somewhere or there is a transcript that will be posted here.

You say you could hear trying to not breakdown, do you mean laughing or crying?

The trust issue is obvious though, if you remember that long article about his past. TO doesn't trust anyone, so that is nothing new.

They may archive it on that Miami radio station..I don't know. But Owens voice sounded barely under his control..he said 'it isn't fair' in a whiney way that played into the host's derision, and his "I had a stomachache" came across pitifully maudlin.

He sounded like he was fighting to maintain composure - and a measure of self-discipline, and his anger was more pathetic than rousing.

He mentioned that he doesn't trust many people, but how many times does he have to bare that revelation?

He is not very sophisticated for all his fame...his need for attention sadly continues to drive him to reveal more and more of himself, which then gets twisted to beat him with.

He said he has become close to Terry - and that TG is helping him with what not to say...well, he needs more active restraints, imo. Like someone to advise him to lay low and seek the company of his teammates, not the false comfort of the microphone. He got played badly by LeBatard.

This guy's one hope is he bond with teammates who genuinely care about him....who can stop him from worsening his situation time and again. The people around him, off field, seem more like predators than mentors to me.

What saddened me today was the report by Werder that Bill had been very encouraging and accessible to Owens since he's been in Dallas, but that in wake of the Haley thing, Bill was growing distant. Hopefully that is just more conjecture by ESPN hags. The last thing Owens needs is for Bill to actually do what the press falsely claimed he did from the start - ignore Terrell.

My guess is Owens too fears his skills are deteriorating. He's volatile enough when he thinks he's the best...proving himself now (after that blow he took last Sunday..I can't imagine how many times he must have rehearsed his victorious return in his mind, only to flat out flop) is pretty important.

I do hope he breaks out big this Sunday..not just for the win, but because he needs it, bad. Real bad, imo.

I think the guy needs help.

 

[tyke1doe]

I disagree. When did TO become the coach? TO put him in his place? Sorry I don't need a player putting a coach in his place. Hell Jimmy Johnson got all over a guy because of Asthma I wonder what would have happened had that guy tried to put Jimmy in his place. Dallas is not paying TO the big money to put anyone in their place. I expect him to do what he is told not run this team, which is not his job!!! You act like this is the TO Cowboys well it is not

 

[tyke1doe]

They may archive it on that Miami radio station..I don't know. But Owens voice sounded barely under his control..he said 'it isn't fair' in a whiney way that played into the host's derision, and his "I had a stomachache" came across pitifully maudlin.

He sounded like he was fighting to maintain composure - and a measure of self-discipline, and his anger was more pathetic than rousing.

He mentioned that he doesn't trust many people, but how many times does he have to bare that revelation?

He is not very sophisticated for all his fame...his need for attention sadly continues to drive him to reveal more and more of himself, which then gets twisted to beat him with.

He said he has become close to Terry - and that TG is helping him with what not to say...well, he needs more active restraints, imo. Like someone to advise him to lay low and seek the company of his teammates, not the false comfort of the microphone. He got played badly by LeBatard.

This guy's one hope is he bond with teammates who genuinely care about him....who can stop him from worsening his situation time and again. The people around him, off field, seem more like predators than mentors to me.

What saddened me today was the report by Werder that Bill had been very encouraging and accessible to Owens since he's been in Dallas, but that in wake of the Haley thing, Bill was growing distant. Hopefully that is just more conjecture by ESPN hags. The last thing Owens needs is for Bill to actually do what the press falsely claimed he did from the start - ignore Terrell.

My guess is Owens too fears his skills are deteriorating. He's volatile enough when he thinks he's the best...proving himself now (after that blow he took last Sunday..I can't imagine how many times he must have rehearsed his victorious return in his mind, only to flat out flop) is pretty important.

I do hope he breaks out big this Sunday..not just for the win, but because he needs it, bad. Real bad, imo.

I think the guy needs help.

Very good post.

TO is indeed immature in some respects and craves attention and the need to vindicate himself. But he can't see that he's taken advantage of.

He needs to just SHUT UP and play.

He doesn't win by opening his mouth to the media. And, unfortunately, this is what happens when you're a person who doesn't have any guard or control over your mouth and actions.

For all this "we're just being honest" crap society shovels down our throats as acts of sincerity, people need to learn decorum and need to know when to speak up and when to shut up.

Being "honest" is not always honest and gets people in more trouble than they realize, and then these same people are "puzzled" why when they're being "honest" they're being hated.

It's because society still believes in decorum, restraint and responsibility, principles that provide context to honesty and speaking one's mind.

TO either didn't listen or didn't learn the distinction between the two. And now he's being taken advantage of, and I fear that the media predictions about him will be self-fulfilling prophecies because TO just doesn't get it and just can't keep quiet or keep out of his own way.

 

[theebs]

I am looking forward to getting to the stadium sunday. I anticipate he will get a mixed reaction.

If I hear the fans boo bledsoe and then cheer for owens I will puke. I will be cheering for bledsoe and not doing anything for owens.

 

[Rampage]

Are you saying he's going to tear the team apart if we don't win?

I really think Bill will not allow that.

bill can't control T.O.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Originally Posted by Phoenix-Talon
T.O. did disresPected the offensive/wide-receiver coach when he was with the Eagles also. You must give respect to get respect ...that's a basic rule!

Ahhhh... I see the feathered troll has made his way back into the forum

You know you've really made my point

 

[Clove]

I am looking forward to getting to the stadium sunday. I anticipate he will get a mixed reaction.

If I hear the fans boo bledsoe and then cheer for owens I will puke. I will be cheering for bledsoe and not doing anything for owens.

You'll be cheering on a sorry QB. Good luck! I will never cheer sorriness.