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NoLuv4Jerry

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I will keep saying it...but until this defense starts to play 2000 Ravens like defense, this team will not take the next step. Some might think that is asking too much, but tell me why?

Jerry is in a real tought spot when it comes to this defense. All I know is there has been a stream of traffic in and out of his door from agents/players claiming they are all-world and they want to get paid.....AND HE HAS PAID THEM. And the line outside his door still has guys in it. There is DeMarcus Ware, there is Chris Canty, there is Tank Johnson, there is Kevin Burnett, there is Marcus Spears....and not too far in the back I think I see Adam Jones.

Here is why it is not to much to ask for this defense to play like a DOMINANT unit.

Greg Ellis, top 10 pick, has received multiple big time bonuses...when he was drafted and when he has been extended

Terrance Newman, top 5 pick, has received multiple big time bonuses...when he was drafted and when he has been extended

DeMarcus Ware, top 11 pick, received big money on rookie contract, I am sure he and his agent expect him to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL

Roy Williams, top 10 pick, has received multiple big time bonuses...when he was drafted and when he has been extended

Ken Hamlin, one of the highest paid Safeties in the NFL

Marcus Spears, 1st round pick, received big money on rookie contract...I am sure he and his agent want some of Jerry making it rain

Mike Jenkins, 1st round pick, received big money on rookie contract

Bobby Carpenter, 1st round pick, received big money on rookie contract

Anthony Spencer, 1st round pick, received big money on rookie contract

Bradie James, not a high draft pick, but has received guaranteed money equivalent to a high draft pick

Jay Ratliff, not a high draft pick, but has received guaranteed money equivalent to a high draft pick

Kevin Burnett, 2nd round pick, I am sure he and his agent see that contract Bradie James got and would like to get something along those lines

And then there is Chris Canty, who was not a high draft pick...but I am almost positive he has not extended because he wants more than the Cowboys want to pay....he wants more than Jay Ratliff got....he see's the contract Tommy Kelly got in Oakland and he wants to be in that neighborhood....which again, would make him one of the higest paid DL in the NFL.

So in reveiw of what I just laid out....this defense from starters to depth is full of top 10 picks and/or top 10 compensation. Which is why Jerry should expect and receive DOMINANCE.

So it does not matter that we did not sign a big time #2 WR, it does not matter that Brad Johnson is the backup, it does not matter that we spent ANTOHER 2nd round pick on a TE...it does not matter tha we refuse to spend a premium draft pick on a WR...it does not matter that our track record drafting OL lately has been abysmal....because this offense will find a way to get us 24 points in most weeks. It comes down to this defense playing every snap as if the score was 0-0. That is how they are being compensated. To shut down the opposition. That is the side of the ball that Jerry is up to his ears in resources. With the line of guys wanting him to "show me the money" growing. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent *** Dilfer at QB. Because there defense refused to lose. The Giants stop the most prolific offenses in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl because there defense refused to lose. It is and always has been about defense at the end of the day. Which is why Jerry has spent so lavishly. I just wonder aloud if he has spent it on the right guys!
 

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So are you saying you wouldnt resign ware and canty?

I have news for you, neither of them are going anywhere.
 

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Many super bowl champions would dispute that it is and always has been about defense. You don't have to be the best defense in the NFL, although it would be nice. With this offense, you just have to hold your own, make plays, and get the offense the ball back.

Keep in mind that it wasn't our defense that failed in the clutch against the Giants.
 

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superpunk;2196951 said:
Many super bowl champions would dispute that it is and always has been about defense. You don't have to be the best defense in the NFL, although it would be nice. With this offense, you just have to hold your own, make plays, and get the offense the ball back.

Keep in mind that it wasn't our defense that failed in the clutch against the Giants.


Yeah that is absolutely true.

I think the key for this defense is going to be 3rd down, not that we dont already know that. Hopefully they are getting pressure like they were at the end of last year again.
 

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theebs;2196947 said:
So are you saying you wouldnt resign ware and canty?

I have news for you, neither of them are going anywhere.
I don't think Canty's a given. He's not yet proven himself worthy of a megadeal.
 

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In the first half, the Cowboys allowed 15 first downs and 238 yards and did not record a sack.:bang2:
 

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Double Trouble;2196957 said:
I don't think Canty's a given. He's not yet proven himself worthy of a megadeal.

I don't know about a "megadeal" but I would be shocked if he lands elsewhere.
 

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Sarge;2196969 said:
I don't know about a "megadeal" but I would be shocked if he lands elsewhere.
I think after Kelly's absurd deal, what Canty can get went way up.

It would be foolish to give him a superstar's deal if he hasn't taken a big step forward this year. I suspect it's why almost everyone else on short-term deals got new contracts, but Canty did not.
 

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superpunk;2196951 said:
Many super bowl champions would dispute that it is and always has been about defense. You don't have to be the best defense in the NFL, although it would be nice. With this offense, you just have to hold your own, make plays, and get the offense the ball back.

Keep in mind that it wasn't our defense that failed in the clutch against the Giants.
you are going to be in for a rude awakening if you think this offense is going to dominate good teams in the playoffs.....it does not happen and will not happen....TOs legs tire by the end of the year....this OL tires near the end of the year....Barber is in his first year as a full time starter....the rookies like Felix and Tashard will hit the rookie wall...every team knows what everyone does on offense by the end of the season....the Giants won the Super Bowl by shutting down the Cowboys, Pack and the most prolific offense in the NFL in the SUper Bowl....when was the last high scoring Super Bowl? Stop people in the playoffs and you win...outscoring people will not get it done
 

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bbailey423;2196977 said:
you are going to be in for a rude awakening if you think this offense is going to dominate good teams in the playoffs.....it does not happen and will not happen....TOs legs tire by the end of the year....this OL tires near the end of the year....Barber is in his first year as a full time starter....the rookies like Felix and Tashard will hit the rookie wall...every team knows what everyone does on offense by the end of the season....the Giants won the Super Bowl by shutting down the Cowboys, Pack and the most prolific offense in the NFL in the SUper Bowl....when was the last high scoring Super Bowl? Stop people in the playoffs and you win...outscoring people will not get it done
You're right. There's only one way to skin a cat.

What was I thinking?
 

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Double Trouble;2196972 said:
I think after Kelly's absurd deal, what Canty can get went way up.

It would be foolish to give him a superstar's deal if he hasn't taken a big step forward this year. I suspect it's why almost everyone else on short-term deals got new contracts, but Canty did not.
he did not get one because he is probably asking for more than the cowboys want to pay
 

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bbailey423;2196913 said:
So in reveiw of what I just laid out....this defense from starters to depth is full of top 10 picks and/or top 10 compensation. Which is why Jerry should expect and receive DOMINANCE.
I can give you a list of top 10 busts if that would make you feel any better.

Just because you are a top 10 pick doesn't guarantee you will a dominant player.
 

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superpunk;2196978 said:
You're right. There's only one way to skin a cat.

What was I thinking?
did not say there is one way to skin a cat....but this organization has made it's bed on defense....that is where our depth is...we have 1st rounders not even starting....we can can overcome injuries almost anywhere on defense....we lose TO and we are done....we lose Witten and we are in trouble....we lose Romo and it's get ready for next year....we lose BArber and we are turning to rookies....we lose Adams and we are turning to guys that have never started a NFL game....this team is built for the defense to dominate...and it is time they start doing it...if they don't, the results will be no different than it has been
 

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big dog cowboy;2196987 said:
I can give you a list of top 10 busts if that would make you feel any better.

Just because you are a top 10 pick doesn't guarantee you will a dominant player.
I am not saying that...what I am saying is that we don't have 1 or 2...we have them all up and down on that side of the ball..and if we THOUGHT they were busts we could have let them walk....but we CHOSE to re-sign them becausee we THINK they can get it done....it is time for them to get it done
 

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our defense is fine. it's all on our offense to stop scoring so quickly =P
 

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alby;2197007 said:
our defense is fine. it's all on our offense to stop scoring so quickly =P
i am not interesting in what this offense does to bad teams....i saw this offense the 2nd time through the division...i saw this offense when TO got hurt....I saw this offense when the OL got tired....this offense will not have all world performances every week...especially against good teams....this defense should dominate an average QB like Manning...this defense should dominate an average QB like Jason Campbell...this defense should dominate a team like the Eagles that have one real weapon...a weapon we have played against for the alst 5+ years in Brian Westbrook. This defense should not be afraid to shut teams down...this is what they should be doing. Every coach Jerry Jones has hired since he became owner was a defensive minded coach except Chan Gailey...who by the way had the shortest tenure of evey head coach he has hired. Being the best unit in the NFL is not just my expectations...it is the expectation of the d-coordinator...those were his words before the Cowboys even played a down. Follow the money trail...we believe in this defense and they better start earning that paycheck
 

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bbailey423;2196989 said:
did not say there is one way to skin a cat....but this organization has made it's bed on defense....that is where our depth is...we have 1st rounders not even starting....we can can overcome injuries almost anywhere on defense....we lose TO and we are done....we lose Witten and we are in trouble....we lose Romo and it's get ready for next year....we lose BArber and we are turning to rookies....we lose Adams and we are turning to guys that have never started a NFL game....this team is built for the defense to dominate...and it is time they start doing it...if they don't, the results will be no different than it has been
Actually you did. Re-read the first point of the original post.

Not sure how you can tell about our Defense already when we're looking at new players and at least one key component of our Defense is not playing yet, but I'm jealous of your crystal ball. All I got is tea leaves.
 

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Teague31;2196958 said:
In the first half, the Cowboys allowed 15 first downs and 238 yards and did not record a sack.:bang2:
Yea but dont you. it's preseason. let's all just forget we look just like we did the end of last season.everything is just fine.
 

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Hostile;2197044 said:
Actually you did. Re-read the first point of the original post.

Not sure how you can tell about our Defense already when we're looking at new players and at least one key component of our Defense is not playing yet, but I'm jealous of your crystal ball. All I got is tea leaves.
it amazes how much spin exists around here...as if we did not see what we just saw...as if Terrance Newman was the reason for Denver doing WHATEVER they wanted to do last night....but you just keep spinning away...just keep ignoring what happened the 2nd time through the division...just keep ignoring what happend at the end of the 1st half against the Giants....we are not sneaking up on anybody this year.....we are playing a 1st place schedule...we are on Hard Knocks....if this defense does not set the tone for this team....we will not get it done
 
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