Update: Texas Dad Beats His Daughter’s Molester to Death *Post 286*

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BrAinPaiNt;4592856 said:
I don't think the father was thinking that if he killed the guy there was no way he would go free from the justice system...I think that is a stretch. I think the father was in complete rage and protection mode, and rightfully so, and went from there.

As far as trusting the justice system or not. Whether or not you like the law or not is not justification of refusing to follow the law. I am NOT saying that what he did was wrong...I am saying that just because someone does not trust the legal system it makes it ok to ignore it and do as you please.

I'm sure the father was so emotional that he could not think straight. Most of us would be in the same emotional state as he was. I can not imagine the thoughts that went thru his mind.
To your second point, of course a person should not do as they please, but I sure don't have a problem when people get justice on their own after the legal system fails. If Nicole Brown Simpson's family would have took OJ out, I would be the first to cheer them on.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;4592847 said:
With the way media works today...I think it is perfectly rational to find almost any story fish today.

How many times have we seen it...where a newspaper, website or news show throw out a story and everyone gets in an uproar but as the story continue to unfolds in the following days we find out that the news source got it wrong. Whether they did so unintentionally or due to intentionally being bias in the reporting?

Seen WAAAAY too many instances of this from news sources in the past few years.

Hi BP...I agree the media often makes mistakes in their initial reporting. If that is all he said I would have not taken issue with it. If he said lets wait for all the facts, that would have been fine. That is not how I interpreted his comments.
 

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rkell87;4592868 said:
that is not necessarily true, you have the right to not follow an unjust law, because an unjust law is not a law at all. I'm not saying that is the case here just pointing it out

If it is a law regardless if you think it is just or not you will still pay the penalty for your own actions. There are laws I don't agree with but abide by the law. In this case the law gives you the right to use deadly force
 

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Doomsday101;4592888 said:
If it is a law regardless if you think it is just or not you will still pay the penalty for your own actions. There are laws I don't agree with but abide by the law. In this case the law gives you the right to use deadly force

The only time I think I have heard that it was ok to not follow the law is with the Uniform Code of Military Justice that says you do not have to follow an unlawful order...and that is military law not civilian law.
 

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jnday;4592880 said:
I'm sure the father was so emotional that he could not think straight. Most of us would be in the same emotional state as he was. I can not imagine the thoughts that went thru his mind.
To your second point, of course a person should not do as they please, but I sure don't have a problem when people get justice on their own after the legal system fails. If Nicole Brown Simpson's family would have took OJ out, I would be the first to cheer them on.

True but they would have been imprisoned for their action. Even in this case if the father beat the guy up then took him out back and hung him from a tree I doubt he would be protected by the law. Because his action took place while the crime was being committed he then is protected by the law for the actions he took.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;4592890 said:
The only time I think I have heard that it was ok to not follow the law is with the Uniform Code of Military Justice that says you do not have to follow an unlawful order...and that is military law not civilian law.

True but even in that instance you are breaking command because it is aginst the military code of conduct. It would be like a police officer to tell me to go beat some guy up and take his wallet, just because the cop said to do it does not change the law that his command goes aginst.
 

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Here's a question for those that think it's okay for people to go out killing child molesters. What happens if a couple people they killed were wrongly accused?

It's a horrible idea. If you want to punch them in the face a couple of times, fine.
 

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Cowboys&LakersFan;4592822 said:
It shouldn't be legal. You shouldn't be allowed to take the law into your own hands.

It's no different than killing someone in self-defense or in an attempt to stop any other violent felony. Killing someone in the process of defending yourself or others is perfectly legal in most states as long as the threat was real and serious enough to warrant such a response.

It isnt like he hunted the guy down a week after the fact and murdered him, he killed him in the process of protecting a child being assaulted.
 

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a_minimalist;4592903 said:
Here's a question for those that think it's okay for people to go out killing child molesters. What happens if a couple people they killed were wrongly accused?

It's a horrible idea. If you want to punch them in the face a couple of times, fine.

I get your general point but if the article is correct...In this case it would be hard to be wrongly accused if the father catches the molester in the act. And if the father sees something like this happening to his daughter...right or wrong is not what is going through his head at that moment.
 

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a_minimalist;4592903 said:
Here's a question for those that think it's okay for people to go out killing child molesters. What happens if a couple people they killed were wrongly accused?

It's a horrible idea. If you want to punch them in the face a couple of times, fine.

The father action took place while the crime was being committed. Had he hunted the guy down he would not be protected by the law.

He heard his little girl screaming as she was being attacked he did not go out hunting the guy down. Big Differance
 

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BrAinPaiNt;4592911 said:
I get your general point but if the article is correct...In this case it would be hard to be wrongly accused if the father catches the molester in the act. And if the father sees something like this happening to his daughter...right or wrong is not what is going through his head at that moment.

I am guilty of not reading the article. I could honestly care less about a pedophile being killed. I saw this topic was getting a lot of comments so I came in to read. I caught a glimpse of "vigilante justice" and had to disagree and make a comment. There's a reason you're innocent until proven guilty.

Now that I know the details, I see no problem with this. I would have done the exact same thing if it was one of my little cousins, it doesn't need to be a daughter. I might have shoved my foot up his *** before I made him swallow all of his teeth though.
 

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a_minimalist;4592903 said:
Here's a question for those that think it's okay for people to go out killing child molesters. What happens if a couple people they killed were wrongly accused?

It's a horrible idea. If you want to punch them in the face a couple of times, fine.

The molester in the OP was caught in the act, so there is no problem. If any child molester is caught in the act, I have no problem with the parents getting their own justice. If it is a 100%, no doubt situation then I have no problem. Those 100% cases are the only situations that I would agree with vigilante justice.
 

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jnday;4592865 said:
These actions were a case of men standing up and protecting their children and community from a child molester. What should people do when the justice system clearly fails? Should the criminal continue to live like he has done nothing wrong?

So now everyone else in your community has to live with a bunch of arsonists but that is ok? Following or not following the law when it suits you is wrong. Your "friends" were wrong.
 

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jnday;4592944 said:
The molester in the OP was caught in the act, so there is no problem. If any child molester is caught in the act, I have no problem with the parents getting their own justice. If it is a 100%, no doubt situation then I have no problem. Those 100% cases are the only situations that I would agree with vigilante justice.

Stop calling it justice though. It's not justice. It's a reaction to an unfortunate situation. I highly doubt people are saying in their mind, "okay let me get my justice." If you see it with your own eyes and go to stop it, the rules get thrown out of the window. Your adrenaline is rushing and you are trying to protect a loved one. It has absolutely nothing to do with "justice."

The word justice implies you have time to think about it and come up with a plan to get back at the person. That is never right.
 

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jnday;4592944 said:
The molester in the OP was caught in the act, so there is no problem. If any child molester is caught in the act, I have no problem with the parents getting their own justice. If it is a 100%, no doubt situation then I have no problem. Those 100% cases are the only situations that I would agree with vigilante justice.

I would not even consider that vigilante justice I would consider it protecting your family from harm while they are being attacked.
 

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a_minimalist;4592954 said:
Stop calling it justice though. It's not justice. It's a reaction to an unfortunate situation. I highly doubt people are saying in their mind, "okay let me get my justice." If you see it with your own eyes and go to stop it, the rules get thrown out of the window. Your adrenaline is rushing and you are trying to protect a loved one. It has absolutely nothing to do with "justice."

The word justice implies you have time to think about it and come up with a plan to get back at the person. That is never right.

Justice or not he was within his rights. I don't care if it is a man or an animal attack another person I'm stepping and and taking what ever action I need to take to stop this from happening, period
 

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The30YardSlant;4592046 said:
I can't remember the dad's name but the pedophile who he shot was Jeffrey Doucet. It happened in the mid-80s I think, and the dad was convicted of a relatively minor charge and got out in like four or five years.

I have no doubt he tells everyone that it was well worth it.

Yep. And I would agree with him completely. It would be well worth it to me if that was my kid. I wouldn't even spend a moment regretting it.



Cowboys&LakersFan;4592184 said:
I understand why he did it and if I were in his position it'd be very difficult for me to not do what he did, however you cannot take the law into your own hands. He should've just roughed him up a little bit and then wait for the police to arrive.

You can't, I agree, but in this case I don't blame him and I most certainly would gladly take the law into my own hands and I wouldn't regret it at all.

There are some things in this world that would set me off in the way it set this father off and I don't feel bad about feeling that way about it.


cowboy_ron;4592199 said:
When your daughter is screaming for help and you see a guy molesting your 4 y/o daughter, what is legal or not legal is NOT at the top of the priority list.

Exactly.

I don't care about the persons rights whose molesting my daughter. I don't care about his families rights.

The only thing I'd care about is what he did to my child.

There isn't a person in the world who defends filth like that who I wouldn't smile as big as can be at and not give a damn what they thought about it if I had to do what that father had to do.

Stuff like this always reminds me of the movie Law Abiding Citizen.

Everyone tells me that Clyde Shaw was supposedly the bad guy in that movie. I see that completely differently.

The line that always sticks out in my head is when his cellmate asks him what he did to get in there and he just shakes his head and says "I did what I had to do."



CanadianCowboysFan;4592241 said:
Now I am not sure how you drew the conclusion from my post but so be it.

He had the right to stop the assault assuming one was happening but I highly doubt the law means that once you have stopped it, you can then just kill the guy because well because you can.

I understand where you're coming from because you're right the law doesn't mean you get to do that.

I respect your opinion on the matter, I guess some here probably don't, but hopefully you'd respect the fact that if I were in this fathers place that I'd smile at you, and any other lawyer, who wanted to put me in jail for it and I would never blink an eye at your disgust over my vigilante justice.



Hostile;4592329 said:
I have an older half brother who is dangerous. He got involved in martial arts at the age of 5 and putting it mildly he is good at it.

When he was 17 but almost 18 a man raped our cousin. She was 13 at the time.

He beat that guy to within an inch of his life. I mean it was brutal from all reports I ever heard.

The DA knew a jury wouldn't convict him so the judge ordered him to join the military. Within 3 weeks of his time in Basic he was the martial arts instructor for his Camp.

He and I do not get along most of the time, but I have to say I always admired that he did that.

That father is within his rights and I would never bat an eye to him going free. Good. The monster can't do it to another child, and he probably had.

Good story. I have a similiar one in my family.


I have a cousin who was raped when she was 14 or 15 years old. Her older brother Eric, also obviously my cousin, knew the person and he beat the guy nearly to death with a baseball bat. He was just about to turn 18 at the time and of course back then they had that deal where they'd either send you to jail, if you were less than 18 or 21, or in cases like this you could agree to join the military.

He's now about to retire as the highest ranking Navy Officer that you can be. He's had a great 25+ year career in the military, has 4 wonderful children (2 boys of which are in the military now as well) and hasn't regreted even one time what he did or the decision to join because of it.

I haven't been around him very many times in my life but I can honestly say he's absolutely one of my heros and I can only hope to be half as good a man as he's been.


Kingsmith88;4592379 said:
I agree stop it, but continually beating someone until they are dead???? Not sure that is justifiable.

Once again I respect your opinion on this but I resectfully disagree.

There is no such thing as not justifiable in a situation like this involving your kids.


Cowboys&LakersFan;4592701 said:
I'm guessing you disagree with me and I have no problem with that. If I was a father I'd probably have a different opinion, but I'm not.

If you had children you'd have a different opinion of it or, IMO, you'd be a pretty terrible father.

If any father can honestly look a person in the eyes and say that they wouldn't do the same for their child....I'm sorry but I'd have to question rather you're much of a father or not.

a_minimalist;4592903 said:
Here's a question for those that think it's okay for people to go out killing child molesters. What happens if a couple people they killed were wrongly accused?

It's a horrible idea. If you want to punch them in the face a couple of times, fine.

No, no, no.

No one is advocating going out after the fact and stringing anyone up or beating them to death when you're told it happens.

Although, in that case, if a child could definately identify who did them that way and a father beat the guy to death I still wouldn't feel the least bit of sorrow or remorse for the sick fiend who did that to their child.

But none the less this particular article is about the father walking in on the act. Catching the guy as he was doing.

Whole different situation then, IMO, because then you're absolutely in the heat of the moment and I have a really hard time believing that any good father would be able to control their rage in that moment.
 

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jnday;4592944 said:
The molester in the OP was caught in the act, so there is no problem. If any child molester is caught in the act, I have no problem with the parents getting their own justice. If it is a 100%, no doubt situation then I have no problem. Those 100% cases are the only situations that I would agree with vigilante justice.
Stopping the assault and protecting his daughter are just and fine. Hit the guy get him away from your daughter call the police. (from what we have read) He beat the man to death. The danger to his daughter ended after the first blow more than likely. Anything more was overkill.
 

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BraveHeartFan;4592961 said:
Good story. I have a similiar one in my family.


I have a cousin who was raped when she was 14 or 15 years old. Her older brother Eric, also obviously my cousin, knew the person and he beat the guy nearly to death with a baseball bat. He was just about to turn 18 at the time and of course back then they had that deal where they'd either send you to jail, if you were less than 18 or 21, or in cases like this you could agree to join the military.

He's now about to retire as the highest ranking Navy Officer that you can be. He's had a great 25+ year career in the military, has 4 wonderful children (2 boys of which are in the military now as well) and hasn't regreted even one time what he did or the decision to join because of it.

I haven't been around him very many times in my life but I can honestly say he's absolutely one of my heros and I can only hope to be half as good a man as he's been.
Thanks for sharing this. I have a feeling you will not experience the backlash that I have here or in PMs.
 

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a_minimalist;4592954 said:
Stop calling it justice though. It's not justice. It's a reaction to an unfortunate situation. I highly doubt people are saying in their mind, "okay let me get my justice." If you see it with your own eyes and go to stop it, the rules get thrown out of the window. Your adrenaline is rushing and you are trying to protect a loved one. It has absolutely nothing to do with "justice."

The word justice implies you have time to think about it and come up with a plan to get back at the person. That is never right.

I was just using the term justice or vigilante justice due to the label being used earlier in this thread. The term revenge is a better label. It really doesn't matter, but I agree with the ideal that parents should be able to get their revenge.
 
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