Upgrades over Jarwin/Schultz?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by TheSkaven, Feb 17, 2021.

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Who would you like to see starting at TE when the season opens in September?

  1. Blake Jarwin

    38.3%
  2. Dalton Schultz

    35.1%
  3. Kyle Pitts

    18.1%
  4. Zack Ertz

    5.3%
  5. Jonnu Smith

    1.1%
  6. Hunter Henry

    1.1%
  7. Other (please post)

    1.1%
  1. Flamma

    Flamma Well-Known Member

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    I love Kyle Pitts, but what's an upgrade at TE going to do for the Cowboys? We could bring back Randy Moss, Owens, Michael Irvin, all in their prime and add Kyle Pitts and the Cowboys would still suck with that defense.
     
  2. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    I wish there was a DT to take too. Or a super stud FS.

    I like trading back. Our needs aren't at the premier positions justifying a 10. Trade back and get a couple of solid starters. FS, LB, DT, CB. That's where we need starters, and you don't have to spend a 10 to get a good one.
     
  3. dsturgeon

    dsturgeon Well-Known Member

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    Might be able to get a top 10 olineman
     
  4. SportsGuru80

    SportsGuru80 CowboysYanksLakers

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    We have a very solid set of TEs, I do NOT see that as a high priority. FIX THE DAMN DEFENSE!
     
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  5. Hardline

    Hardline Well-Known Member

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    You have 9 more picks to fix the defense. All the top blue chip talent in this draft is offense in the top of the first round
     
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  6. JohnnyHopkins

    JohnnyHopkins Joe Rod Zone Supporter

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    Wow dude, that was an obvious joke. Day drinking perhaps? :laugh:
     
  7. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    I've heard that after Sewell, it's a weak class of OTs. We've got 2 starting LGs and two Pro Bowl level starting OTs in Smith and Collins. It's just a waste of a year to be taking an OT to sit this year, or play out of position while we sit *two* starting quality LGs. We've got so many other needs.

    Even so, LT is a position to take at 10, and I'd take another Tyron at 10, but I don't see him in this class.

    The draft isn't falling our way this year at 10. I see better value for our needs and what we can take without waste in the late 1st and beyond. Trade back.
     
  8. dsturgeon

    dsturgeon Well-Known Member

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    I don't watch tape, but I have heard slater is a good tackle. Doesn't have the body of sewell, but is technically very good.

    Smith could call it quits at any time or only play part of a season.
    L Collins has injury issues. It is an assumption that he comes back as strong as he did in 2019.
    This is connors last year on his rookie contract. Do you pay him
    Martin is 32, and hopefully his injuries are not serious

    Slater might not be the biggest need, but it might prove to be a good pick

    I dont have anything I want them to pick. I am just curious how it plays out
     
  9. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it does sound like Slater is the possible option at 10. Sounds like a decent prospect, but not one to get excited about, particularly given our *presumed* lack of need this year.

    I see a lot of value wasted by picking a LT this year. Basically one year of the contract. I wouldn't do it unless there is a guy whose surplus value in talent makes up for the current lack of marginal utility relative to our current oline.

    I wouldn't sign Williams. McGovern looks fine. Should be more than fine by 2022. Plug him in. He may even straight up beat out Williams in camp for LG. The stars are aligning to make an extension offer to McGovern in the 2022 offseason, *before* he gets a season of starting. A tweener backup/start contract. I wish we did that more often. That's where you can get real value, and have the most leverage over players. If they don't extend, then you have less reason to invest starter snaps in them.
     
  10. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    Hence, trade back where the defensive value is.
     
  11. dsturgeon

    dsturgeon Well-Known Member

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    I only see value wasted at picking a tackle, if you look at the draft as having value at a position that we need as a top 10 pick.

    Which the more I think about it, I don't know if there is another position.

    You could get a good corner at 10, but then you could also get a couple of corners later on and be good at corner depth.
    The same could be said at lb'er and WR

    Outside of that, what position has players that will fall to us that will be worth the 10 pick?

    A top tackle who is solid and could start for injury riddled smith or collins, or could play gaurd has a lot of value to me at 10
     
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  12. Hardline

    Hardline Well-Known Member

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    First tier offense is better than 2nd tier defense.
     
  13. Kingofholland

    Kingofholland Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they need to upgrade the TE position or it doesn't need to be a high priority this year. Schultz played very well and we've seen Jarwin's potential in prior seasons. I wouldn't confuse either for Kelce or Kittle but would say our situation is bettet than at least half the league right now. Being the rest of the receivers are one of the top groups in the NFL, TE becomes even lesser of a priority.
     
  14. Redball Express

    Redball Express All Aboard!!!

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    TE has been a looming issue for decades.

    Not having to pay the price has financed our other signings.
     
  15. CowboysFaninHouston

    CowboysFaninHouston CowboysFaninDC

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    why are we even thinking about a TE? with Cooper, Gallup, CD, TE will be the 4th option in passing game. if our defense wasn't so bad, I would say take Pitts if he is there. but we need to spend any money and picks on defense (except for a LT if available).
     
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  16. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

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    If this team goes offense with that #1 pick you just have to laugh at this point.
     
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  17. dsturgeon

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    Why laugh at a player worth the value of 10 on offense. Tackle, TE, WR, QB(if they are not going with Dak)

    Laugh if they reach for a position on defense that is not worthy of the 10, especially if he doesnt pan out.

    It has to be a corner at 10 on defense, and you can find corners later on. I would say take the offensive tackle, TE, or WR.

    It doesn't matter what they pick, the player needs to be top notch in the nfl. They pick early in the 2nd, and there will be a really good defensive player of need there.
     
  18. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

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    Lets stop with the idea that there is no defender worthy of the 10th pick. This D is horrendous. The worst in team history and unfortunately the Cowboys painted themselves into a corner. So far Jerry wasted all those 1st round Olinemen a 1st round RB, 2 first round WRs and that won't end until they fix this D.
     
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  19. dsturgeon

    dsturgeon Well-Known Member

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    There are a lot of players that would improve the defense that you can take at 10, but that doesn't mean they are worthy of a #10 pick.

    Chances are that the cowboys will not be anywhere near a top 10 pick for awhile. So, he better be one of the 10 best players in the draft.

    Money also comes into it. You pay the number 10 pick more than later picks in the first round. So, if you reach on a player, and he is not top 10, you are overpaying, and you wasted the value of having that high of a pick.

    2020 number 10 pick
    made 19.7 million total value
    cedee 7 picks later made 14 million

    That is almost 6million difference. So, why reach
     
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  20. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

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    Because adding to the offense is a temporary solution while the glaring problem isn't going away. So paying a TE makes sense in that same scenario with the money Cooper got and the amount of balls going to Cooper, Lamb, Gallup, Elliott? Lot of mouths to feed. How many legit receptions for that money? How much do they need to spend on the offensive side while they completely ignore the D yet again? Jerry's a buffoon and the D continues to suffer. It has to be fixed or else it simply doesn't matter how many O players they take in the 1st. Hasn't mattered yet.
     

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