USA Today: It's time to admit Cowboys' Jason Garrett grew into a great head coach

[cowboyblue22]

garrett will soon have to win more than regular season games soon in dallas or the organization will move on the jones patience will not last forever jerry thinks he has a supebowl winning roster now and he wants playoff success now why do u think jerry was so mad when they suspended zeke

 

[Sydla]

Playoff success is a measure of organization effectiveness over time. Part of that is coaching. It's never been a standard for measuring coaching success. Coaches are measure by their teams' wins and losses. Especially when they take over losing teams and rebuild them since there's a period when good coaches can't be expected to take bad teams deep into the playoffs.

And the playoff win argument is most definitely a new criticism of Garrett's coaching that came about as he eventually assembled a winning team. It's the latest in a long line of new measures, as I said.

And you can suggest that I've 'insulated' Garrett all you want, but the facts suggest that I was right that he was building a good team this whole time and that everybody who said he was a terrible puppet of a coach--and that was the big majority of this board at one point--was dead wrong. I wasn't insulating. I was providing context, and I was right about the context.

That's disingenuous to state playoff success is just a new criticism of Garrett. It's a standard for EVERY COACH. Every fanbase judges their coaches by postseason success, lack of it, etc. This idea that anti-Garrett factions in the fanbase only just came up with using playoff success to judge Garrett is hilarious.

You think you were right that he's building a good team but you've set a low bar for gauging whether the team is "good". You've pretty much excused any lack of playoff success to other factors, which gives you the ability to then sit here and say what a great job Garrett has done.

Of course you will deny it, but you've pretty much just told people that regular season success is more important to gauging Garrett's worth than playoff success.

 

[diefree666]

garrett will soon have to win more than regular season games soon in dallas or the organization will move on the jones patience will not last forever jerry thinks he has a supebowl winning roster now and he wants playoff success now why do u think jerry was so mad when they suspended zeke

there are no longer any excuses at all for Red Ball not to win multiple playoff games and truly contend for the SB. None at all.

BUT watch- even if we once again fail in the playoffs certain posters will continue to slobber all over him .

Have to laugh at Idgit for claiming regular season success is more important than playoff success.

 

[Idgit]

and you are full of crap. Now does that make you feel better?

FACT:
The Dallas Cowboys won the Eastern Division and a playoff game the YEAR BEFORE Red Ball became IC.
You trying to say that is untrue?

FACT: NO and Seattle had not won anything in the several years before Carrol and Payton came.
You trying to say that is untrue?

FACT:
Since Red Ball became coach the Dallas Cowboys have won 1 playoff game?
You trying to say that is untrue?

FACT:
NO and Seattle DID NOT HAVE A FRANCHISE QB when their coaches arrived?
You trying to say that is untrue?

I'm not saying any of that is untrue, and I never suggested anything of the sort.

I am saying that your FACTS here are largely irrelevant as measures of how good those respective teams go.

And that the 2010 Dallas Cowboys team Garrett inherited was not a good team in terms of personnel.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I think he's in the 8-10 range. Can improve but not complaining

 

[cowboyblue22]

a little regular season success is all garrett has got to stand on

 

[Sydla]

And for the record, I am not saying Garrett can't be a really good coach who goes onto great playoff success.

My only point is that he's done nothing to date to call him great or say, "*******, that's a guy we definitely need coaching us the next 10 years."

 

[Cowboysfan1975]

Or he just struck gold in the draft...

5 years in a row? The drafts have been great since JG has been the head coach. Doesn't matter who our head coach is. Half the Cowboys fans are going to love him and half are going to hate him.

 

[CyberB0b]

And that the 2010 Dallas Cowboys team Garrett inherited was not a good team in terms of personnel.

He didn't inherit that team, he was a part of it. He was hired before Wade, remember? He absolutely had a say on the direction of the team during that time.

 

[Zman5]

This season marks Garrett 7th full season. In six season he has made post season twice and is 1-2

Belichick in his 1st 6 full season as a HC he made post season once and 1-1 before winning a SB.

I'm sure some excuses will be made for Belichick which would not be afforded to Garrett since it messed up the agenda.

Nice try manipulating the stats to push your agenda. Belichick didn't coach 7 straight seasons with the same team like JG has. Belichick was fired after his fifth season at Cleveland. He won the SB on his second season with the Pats. His second stint as a HC. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

And to imply that, any HC who hasn't won much in the playoffs his first 6 seasons can win a SB on his 7th season because that's how Belichick did it ,is just plain ridiculous.

 

[Idgit]

He didn't inherit that team, he was a part of it. He was hired before Wade, remember? He absolutely had a say on the direction of the team during that time.

Sure. He was OC. He inherited the HC job, and the 1-7 team went to 5-3 thereafter. Not here to quibble about the terminology. We both know he was on the staff prior.

 

[Idgit]

That's disingenuous to state playoff success is just a new criticism of Garrett. It's a standard for EVERY COACH. Every fanbase judges their coaches by postseason success, lack of it, etc. This idea that anti-Garrett factions in the fanbase only just came up with using playoff success to judge Garrett is hilarious.

You think you were right that he's building a good team but you've set a low bar for gauging whether the team is "good". You've pretty much excused any lack of playoff success to other factors, which gives you the ability to then sit here and say what a great job Garrett has done.

Of course you will deny it, but you've pretty much just told people that regular season success is more important to gauging Garrett's worth than playoff success.

When Garrett took over a 1-7 team, the measure was simply wins. Then when he was 8-8 for three seasons in a row, the criticism was 'he can never get over .500' and that he couldn't ever win the NFCE. Then when he took the team to 12-4, won the East, and won a playoff game it was refreshingly quiet and we didn't get a lot of 'he can't win in the playoffs' because he won his first playoff game and because people basically thought we got jobbed against a good home team. Then at 4-12 it was 'he can't win with any QB other than Tony Romo.' Then at 13-3 playing a rookie third string starter it was 'he can go over .500 consistently, he can win the East, he can win with a backup QB, but he can't advance in the playoffs.' Don't tell me the standard for measuring him hasn't changed since 2010, because I've been here and posting that entire time. I know what the criticism has been.

Yes, coaches who are good enough to coach long enough to have playoff records eventually get judged by playoff success on top of the regular season success required to have that sort of longevity. Yes, that will eventually happen for Garrett if he keeps winning enough regular season games to have a long playoff record. No, 1-2 with two close losses to a comparable team to ours is not an indication that he can't advance in playoff situations.

 

[Sydla]

When Garrett took over a 1-7 team, the measure was simply wins. Then when he was 8-8 for three seasons in a row, the criticism was 'he can never get over .500' and that he couldn't ever win the NFCE. Then when he took the team to 12-4, won the East, and won a playoff game it was refreshingly quiet and we didn't get a lot of 'he can't win in the playoffs' because he won his first playoff game and because people basically thought we got jobbed against a good home team. Then at 4-12 it was 'he can't win with any QB other than Tony Romo.' Then at 13-3 playing a rookie third string starter it was 'he can go over .500 consistently, he can win the East, he can win with a backup QB, but he can't advance in the playoffs.' Don't tell me the standard for measuring him hasn't changed since 2010, because I've been here and posting that entire time. I know what the criticism has been.

Yes, coaches who are good enough to coach long enough to have playoff records eventually get judged by playoff success on top of the regular season success required to have that sort of longevity. Yes, that will eventually happen for Garrett if he keeps winning enough regular season games to have a long playoff record. No, 1-2 with two close losses to a comparable team to ours is not an indication that he can't advance in playoff situations.

Actually the criticism when he was going 8-8 is that he's not getting the playoffs, which yes, fits into playoff success.

You simply are trying to create a narrative that makes you looks right and other people wrong. A narrative where your belief that Garrett is this great coach is accurate and everyone else is wrong.

 

[Idgit]

Actually the criticism when he was going 8-8 is that he's not getting the playoffs, which yes, fits into playoff success.

You simply are trying to create a narrative that makes you looks right and other people wrong. A narrative where your belief that Garrett is this great coach is accurate and everyone else is wrong.

No, you simply are wrong about what a bunch of the criticism was at the time. The fact that I was right and a lot of other people dead wrong about this one is beside the point.

And I don't believe I've ever said Garrett is a great coach. I've consistently said he's a good fit in Dallas and that, as long as the team is improving he should continue to have a job. We're only now getting to a point where we've got a good enough team that we should be contending for championships in my opinion, and he needs to continue to deliver on what he's done to-date.

If he does, sure, we can call him great.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nice try manipulating the stats to push your agenda. Belichick didn't coach 7 straight seasons with the same team like JG has. Belichick was fired after his fifth season at Cleveland. He won the SB on his second season with the Pats. His second stint as a HC. Not really an apples to apples comparison.

And to imply that, any HC who hasn't won much in the playoffs his first 6 seasons can win a SB on his 7th season because that's how Belichick did it ,is just plain ridiculous.

It is not the same because you don't feel like it? LOL As I said I'm not claiming Garrett future will be successful like that fact is we don't know NONE OF US KNOW!!! But fact are facts it is not spun, Belichick was not looked at as some football god early in his career as a HC that is fact, he has earned it over a period of time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...s-jason-garrett-grew-into-a-great-head-coach/

You gon’ learn today.

On Sunday, the Dallas Cowboys solved a riddle that had befuddled them twice the previous season. The New York Giants came to town, winner of the last three head-to-head contests and the only team in the division to win a Super Bowl in recent memory. With their elite quarterback in Eli Manning, the division rivals seemed to have the Cowboys number.

No sir, not today.

he is a good coach, and I think one that would actually make a great GM, has the vision and the plan to execute on the vision and perhaps not necessarily an X's and O's guy. but at this point, he is more Andy Reid than a great coach. Great is reserved for those wining at least one Lombardi trophy. until we do that...I will reserve the world.

with that said, if/when he does, there will be a lot of garrett haters, who will credit linehan, jones, Stephen, marinelli, luck, but not garrett..... so I fully expect that...

 

[Chuck 54]

A great coach? I don't think so...not yet.
However, if his players think he's a great coach and buy what he's selling, which it appears they do, then he's part of the way there.
He's had a great offensive roster for sometime now; maybe he's starting to get a decent defensive roster.

You cannot be a great coach if you don't win consistently. If he follows last year with another division title and gets to the NFC big game, then I'll say he's turning into a great coach for Dallas. Right now, all I can say is we've put a lot of time and some heartache into him, and he has definitely improved, so I'm sticking with him..............but he'd better do something in the next couple years.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Great is such a strong word.

To be great, you need a Lombardi.

Like seriously....

 

[sideon]

Great coaches don't have their team unprepared for a playoff game, and then call an unnecessary timeout that contributed to their loss.

 

[CowboyRoy]

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...s-jason-garrett-grew-into-a-great-head-coach/

You gon’ learn today.

On Sunday, the Dallas Cowboys solved a riddle that had befuddled them twice the previous season. The New York Giants came to town, winner of the last three head-to-head contests and the only team in the division to win a Super Bowl in recent memory. With their elite quarterback in Eli Manning, the division rivals seemed to have the Cowboys number.

No sir, not today.

Garrett is a guy that has gotten better at what he does. Who wouldnt? You have 10 years to do something, you better get better at it. Lets forget about all the mistakes he made learning on the job. Not sure those teams would have won anyway as we probably didnt have enough talent. Jones figuring out what Garrett does best, or more to the point, what he isnt good at, was key for this team. Keeping Garrett to a "administrator/motivator" is what he does best. He is a likeable guy and players appear to enjoy playing for him. Keep him away from play calling, offense, personnel, and you should be fine. The problem I see is that he still handles some of the in game management. Clock management to be specific. And he keeps screwing that up.

BUT.................the biggest change for this team was Jones bringing in McClay to run the scouting and the draft. The talent we are seeing come in here is top of the NFL. I would also throw in that luck or lack there of with finding Prescott. Without Dak and a healthy/young Romo where would this team be now and in the future? Probably at 500 or worse. And Lihenah now running the offense is also key.

So yah.............Garrett has gotten better at his job, the parts that he has been relagated to doing as per Jones. And the Cowboys are better for it. But there are bigger reasons why this thing is coming together. In my book the two biggest are:

1. McClay
2. Finding Prescott

So in conclusion, this really comes down to the entire front office and mainly the Jones' getting better at what they do, how they do it, and who they have doing it. You could call it FO. And Garrett is certainly apart of that FO.

But if I was Jones, I would never hired Garrett, and I would have found a different head coach years ago after the hire. Would I fire Garrett now? The team is on a roll. I would certainly let the season play out. Lets see what they can do. But if this team disappoints in the playoffs AGAIN, I definitely pull the trigger. Get a new head coach in here now while the team is young and Prescott is young.