Vaughn Will Have A Better Year Than Elliott

[CowboyRoy]

I've probably been wrong on here more often than I've been right. There are nuances to that. There are things I've been absolutely right about with Elliott, and some I still feel I'm right about, and things I've been wrong about. I freely admit that ... and have before when I've been wrong.

There are things you've been right about on him and things you've been wrong about, and still are, but I don't think you'll ever admit that.

As far as what you say being my penance. That's only true if I cared. I respond because I tend to do that when people respond to me. And yes, I do think you have a problem with your obsession with Zeke. But I learned a long time ago that no one makes you happy or sad or mad; that's entirely within your control. I hope you have a great rest of your day.

I've been spot on about Zeke and Pollard. To the point of creepy spot on. You can pretend otherwise or feel free to list legitimate things I have been wrong about with Zeke and Pollard.

 

[G2]

I've been spot on about Zeke and Pollard. To the point of creepy spot on. You can pretend otherwise or feel free to list legitimate things I have been wrong about with Zeke and Pollard.

Time to move on man, he's on another team, no longer tormenting you in your sleep.

 

[johneric8]

Then who will it be? . . . Only Dak, not playing up to His Contract, will hold this team back

All the Escape Goats are Gone

My point is that our offensive struggles last season had more to do with Kellen Moore and a lack of receivers than Dak in my humble opinion... Dak has delivered big in the playoffs before but it's going to take great coaching and effort to rise from the ashes and beat the better teams... I think we could of beat San Fran had Pollard be there, and I also think the offensive calls were horrendous because you and I both know that Zeke was a no show and they should of had in Davis... bad coaching all around in terms of the offense.. Big Mike let Kellen the Beaver Moore fall on the sword..

 

[Buzzbait]

SteveTheCowboy Said:
"everyone claiming Zke is trash....won't very swiftly change their minds."

Not just "zeke defenders". See my above link.

I know you won't...can't dare face the real truth of it.

"can't dare face the truth of it"? The truth of it is: I never said Zeke was "trash". But Zeke today is nowhere near the truly great RB that we drafted in 2016. That's not trashing the guy, it's just the way it is. His average YPC have slowly declined nearly every year since then.
In 2016 it was 5.1, in 2022 it was 3.8.

 

[coult44]

We fans are like Jerry, we love our shiny new toys......until the real games start.

Then we fans still like and support them and well “some fans” don’t

 

[coult44]

I don't think either of them have much of a season. I love Zeke, but I can't see him rushing for more of anything than what he did last season. Damien Harris had 106 attempts for 462 yards and 3 TDs last year with the Pats and I'd guess Zeke will average somewhere around the same and be one of Matt Jones best friends in pass protection.

Deuce has to make the game day roster first then I'd expect maybe a couple of hundred yards and a couple of TD's with some really electric moments. I could care less about his size, but he's still a rookie 6th round pick and we all need to remember that. I think Deuce's best chance comes as a return man. I realize it's not something he did in college, but that was mainly because he was K-State's feature back. He's also got Turpin in front of him, but KaVontae doesn't have Deuce's football pedigree. Deuce looks so fluid in the open field making people miss that he seems like a natural return man that can also add value in the running and passing game. For me personally there's only room for one of these type players on the roster and it comes down to Turpin or Vaughn. I'll let the coaches decide.

I hope they all do well. Zeke was a great teammate and I think he'll fit in a Belichick locker room well. Deuce is obviously a blast to watch run and would make a good underdog story as does Turpin coming from the USFL. I'll be pulling for them all on Sundays, Mondays, Thursday's, and sometimes Saturday's.

What’s amazing is that if it not for his size he would’ve been a top 25 guy, perhaps higher. Don’t say you don’t care about his size but still hold on to the belief that made him a sixth round pick

 

[Starforever]

One of the biggest lies ever told on this forum. It doesn't matter who agrees. I will never understand how grown individuals with fully formed brains, make assertions such as this.

I like Deuce, and am glad that he is on the team, but c'mon man!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

SteveTheCowboy Said:
"everyone claiming Zke is trash....won't very swiftly change their minds."


"can't dare face the truth of it"? The truth of it is: I never said Zeke was "trash". But Zeke today is nowhere near the truly great RB that we drafted in 2016. That's not trashing the guy, it's just the way it is. His average YPC have slowly declined nearly every year since then.
In 2016 it was 5.1, in 2022 it was 3.8.

I knew you wouldn't click on the link and watch it...to educate yourself.

For the record...they guy says don't pay him 30 million-whatever.

You want to hold him to the 2016 standard...that he MUST equal or better that every single year? Insane. Absolute insanity.

 

[gimmesix]

I've been spot on about Zeke and Pollard. To the point of creepy spot on. You can pretend otherwise or feel free to list legitimate things I have been wrong about with Zeke and Pollard.

You know, I don't pay close enough attention to you to make a list of things you've been wrong about, but anyone who has read your Zeke rants over the years knows you have been. But if thinking you've been "creepy spot on" about it makes you sleep better at night ...

I don't prefer to devote my energy to proving point by point where you've been wrong. Neither do you, as you've merely thrown out some broad accusations that in no way define the positions I have taken on Elliott.

I was supposed to have quit this back-and-forth several posts ago, but you keep luring me back in. That's my fault.

 

[Buzzbait]

I knew you wouldn't click on the link and watch it...to educate yourself.

For the record...they guy says don't pay him 30 million-whatever.

You want to hold him to the 2016 standard...that he MUST equal or better that every single year? Insane. Absolute insanity.

Yeah we all need to go spend time educating ourselves about a RB who is no longer a Cowboy and isn't going to be.
And your claim of "absolute insanity" applies only to you since you're making up untrue statements I never made.
NOBODY said he "must equal or better his 2016 standard every single year". NOBODY said that, including me.
Aren't you going way overboard here? Get a grip.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah we all need to go spend time educating ourselves about a RB who is no longer a Cowboy and isn't going to be.
And your claim of "absolute insanity" applies only to you since you're making up untrue statements I never made.
NOBODY said he "must equal or better his 2016 standard every single year". NOBODY said that, including me.
Aren't you going way overboard here? Get a grip.

You criticized him because his numbers "slowly declined over the years".

Think about that for a minute.

So he couldn't match or beat those insane early numbers. THAT's WHAT IT MEANS! YOU SAID IT.

And I knew you would not watch the video. You don't have a good grip.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Time to move on man, he's on another team, no longer tormenting you in your sleep.

And how thankful are we that he is no longer ruining our run game and bogging down our offense?

 

[CowboyRoy]

You know, I don't pay close enough attention to you to make a list of things you've been wrong about, but anyone who has read your Zeke rants over the years knows you have been. But if thinking you've been "creepy spot on" about it makes you sleep better at night ...

I don't prefer to devote my energy to proving point by point where you've been wrong. Neither do you, as you've merely thrown out some broad accusations that in no way define the positions I have taken on Elliott.

I was supposed to have quit this back-and-forth several posts ago, but you keep luring me back in. That's my fault.

Yet you cant name ONE thing?

Anyone that has listened to my rants knows how spot on I have been. Only the liars and the those that got it all wrong will deny that.

Zeke got cut after a woeful 3.8 ypc average, and had big problems finding a job. Pollard made the pro bowl and got resigned to be the lead back.

CowboyRoy = SPOT ON!

Pollard > Zeke

 

[glimmerman]

Was hoping he would be back. He can still play. There qb will be protected against the blitz. We will see a battle in week 4. We play pats. Will be Parsons against zeke. Will see if zeke can stop Parsons coming. Knowing bellycheat he may have got zeke paid for this game and what info on The Cowboys he can get. Of course he will contribute to the team more than we think. He is healthy. That’s why I wanted him back. Anyone see the contract yet. What’s the guaranteed.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Was hoping he would be back. He can still play. There qb will be protected against the blitz. We will see a battle in week 4. We play pats. Will be Parsons against zeke. Will see if zeke can stop Parsons coming. Knowing bellycheat he may have got zeke paid for this game and what info on The Cowboys he can get. Of course he will contribute to the team more than we think. He is healthy. That’s why I wanted him back. Anyone see the contract yet. What’s the guaranteed.

I'm happy as a clam he didn't come back and tried to tell you he wasn't coming back.

Only zeke apologists like you rant and rave about RB's blocking skills. They are called "running" backs for a reason.

No sensible Cowboys fan would want Zeke coming back to this team based on how horrible he ran the ball the last few years and how much the coaches were either forced or too dumb to sit him on the bench.

Its good riddance and goodbye.

Feel free to watch the Pats all you want.

It's 3 million guaranteed and another 3 million he can earn with incentives. Smart way to do it.

 

[glimmerman]

I'm happy as a clam he didn't come back and tried to tell you he wasn't coming back.

Only zeke apologists like you rant and rave about RB's blocking skills. They are called "running" backs for a reason.

No sensible Cowboys fan would want Zeke coming back to this team based on how horrible he ran the ball the last few years and how much the coaches were either forced or too dumb to sit him on the bench.

Its good riddance and goodbye.

Feel free to watch the Pats all you want.

It's 3 million guaranteed and another 3 million he can earn with incentives. Smart way to do it.

Ummm apologists. Lol. I would have been fine with him coming back to play his role on the Offense. He can still rip up the middle and wear on lines early in the game. And is likely the best block pick up rb in the league still. Pollard does ok every once in a while. But when he went down Malik went in for 1 play and almost got Dak killed. I hear that in MM Offense they actually use RB to block more. Maybe why MM used to keep a 240-250 pound RB or FB in the backfield in gb. Was to protect rogers as well as pound. I only wanted Elliot back to fill that roll. Not because I thought he was going to break off big runs all the time. 2016 Elliot is gone. He ain’t Emmitt.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Ummm apologists. Lol. I would have been fine with him coming back to play his role on the Offense. He can still rip up the middle and wear on lines early in the game. And is likely the best block pick up rb in the league still. Pollard does ok every once in a while. But when he went down Malik went in for 1 play and almost got Dak killed. I hear that in MM Offense they actually use RB to block more. Maybe why MM used to keep a 240-250 pound RB or FB in the backfield in gb. Was to protect rogers as well as pound. I only wanted Elliot back to fill that roll. Not because I thought he was going to break off big runs all the time. 2016 Elliot is gone. He ain’t Emmitt.

LOL............ripping up the middle? No he doesnt rip anything anymore. Pollard had better stats between the tackles and yards after contact. Any balls to Zeke was nearly a wasted play.

Zeke doesnt wear down anyone. What he does is make for lots of 3rd and 2nd and longs. Zeke makes punts. Punting doenst wear down defenses. No one was scared of zeke. The Niners were playing a nickel and stopping the run with 4 lineman when Zeke was in there.

Another fact you wont like is that Pollard graded out as the better pass blocker last year. Spare me the Zeke is a great blocker BS. NO one paid Zeke 19 million to pass block.

Its pretty clear you learned little about Zeke, Jerry and this team while he was here. While Zeke was here, he was going to be the lead back and used a lot. So he HAD to go. There is way no he would be brought back to pass block and short yardage only. Its actually the ONLY things he can do remotely well anymore.

ONLY way Zeke is useful to a team would be in a severaly reduced role as a part time short yardage specialists.

But personally, I dont even think he is good at that anymore. The lead back for the Pats, Stevenson, is better at short yardage than Zeke is.

 

[jwitten82]

One of the biggest lies ever told on this forum. It doesn't matter who agrees. I will never understand how grown individuals with fully formed brains, make assertions such as this.

I like Deuce, and am glad that he is on the team, but c'mon man!

Lets bet than playboi!!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Ummm apologists. Lol. I would have been fine with him coming back to play his role on the Offense. He can still rip up the middle and wear on lines early in the game. And is likely the best block pick up rb in the league still. Pollard does ok every once in a while. But when he went down Malik went in for 1 play and almost got Dak killed. I hear that in MM Offense they actually use RB to block more. Maybe why MM used to keep a 240-250 pound RB or FB in the backfield in gb. Was to protect rogers as well as pound. I only wanted Elliot back to fill that roll. Not because I thought he was going to break off big runs all the time. 2016 Elliot is gone. He ain’t Emmitt.

FYI........dowdle is equally good at short yardage as Zeke and has the speed to break longer runs. Catches the ball better and can actually make guys miss. Not sure on his pass blocking as I havent seen it. Zeke is easily replaced by Dowdle.

Dowdle, however, seems to have an injury problem.

 

[mattjames2010]

No he won't.