Vela: Maybe Ellis is right?

[Alexander]

look at my post above

So, basically give carte blanche to anyone with a grudge to demand a release and then get a trade in which we basically would get next to nothing?

Again, it makes no sense.

Jones is playing this right. And no, the ball is NOT in his court.

He doesn't have to do a thing.

 

[superpunk]

Lets keep this simple, I disagree. He could have gotten more money elsewhere. Even at the time the deal was known as a player friendly deal.

How much would the dreaded Skins pay for him now you think ? They are screaming for DE's and Ellis would get 10 million SB there I bet.

Simply, you can bet whatever it is you want.

He got a similar deal and bonus to Little, who he is not as good as. Little outperformed his deal, and has since been extended. Ellis has not outperformed, and remains with the same contract.

Myth's are often well-known. That doesn't make them true. ellis signed the best deal he thought he could get, coming off an incredible start to his career riddled with injuries, and 3-7 sack seasons.

He absolutely, positively could not have gotten more money elsewhere. If he could have, he would have.

/myth.

 

[theogt]

I don't think its all about money and it certainly isn't remotely altruistic on either side.

He isn' t going to shame or guilt Jerry into giving him more money. His public outrage or venting is not going to hold Jerry hostage.

He should either hold out or be quiet.

I honestly don't think this is about a single thing other than money. He just wants more of it.

 

[5Stars]

I honestly don't think this is about a single thing other than money. He just wants more of it.

Who doesn't want more money?

The thing is, if you want more money, don't live on your past acomplishments, earn it! Show the boss that you can be an asset today, then he might consider it?

You know? Sometimes people don't really know what they got until it's gone!
(i know, that is a lame saying, but, in lots of cases it's true)

 

[bbgun]

He's right to fear for his job. He's wrong to ask for more money.

 

[jimmy40]

Other observers have noted something about Anthony; he left fellow rookie Doug Free in his stance on several passing plays today.

A step up from Northern Illinois I guess.

 

[2much2soon]

I don't even think his attitude is "bad" to be honest.

It is just incredibly dull, boring and pointless.

I do agree that he is amazingly insecure for a grown man. Perhaps that is what you meant.

think his draft position has led him along a path of over-estimating his capabilities

 

[5Stars]

He's right to fear for his job. He's wrong to ask for more money.

Right or wrong...

Left or right...

dumb or stupid?

 

[scottsp]

Greg might want to take issue with his representation on this one instead of repeatedly going back to this same tired business of having his contract redone. He signed the deal he is working under currently.

Talk to your agent, Greg.

He might be the greatest guy in the world. A steady performer? Sure. But he's 32 and coming off a substantial injury.

Greg Ellis is under contract. He has no leverage. The worst thing Jerry Jones could do is cater to this guy right now. It's just bad business.

Jerry doesn't have to do a thing. And he shouldn't.

 

[quincyyyyy]

Greg might want to take issue with his representation on this one instead of repeatedly going back to this same tired business of having his contract redone. He signed the deal he is working under currently.

Talk to your agent, Greg.

He might be the greatest guy in the world. A steady performer? Sure. But he's 32 and coming off a substantial injury.

Greg Ellis is under contract. He has no leverage. The worst thing Jerry Jones could do is cater to this guy right now. It's just bad business.

Jerry doesn't have to do a thing. And he shouldn't.

exactly

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I've thought all along that Spencer would be the starter. Partly because he's that good and the other because Ellis is coming off a serious injury. But they have to keep Ellis, they still don't have enough pass rushing LBs as it is. Right now imo, Ellis is the #3 pass rusher on the team. If he's not here this season who is going to back up Ware and Spencer?

Doesn't that sound good in and of itself? We haven't had this much potential for a serious pass rush in a long long time. Ellis was the go to guy for years, and now he's #3. Thats great, IMO.

 

[ilovejerry]

Basically you fans are thankless. While I am not going to defend him complaining, as I think it is counter-constructive and misguided. He has given at least a decade's worth of good solid play on the field and hard work off the field. He has been a leader on the team and is even mentoring his eventual replacement. Despite his propensity to worry a lot and express his concerns publicly, he has been a valuable and important member of this team for a long team.

And the inability of fans to forgive him (for he has deserved our forgiveness) and to immediately resort to bashing speaks volumes about some quarters of the Cowboys fan base. Greg is good player and a good person. Some of you should be ashamed.

Ashamed of what??????? Are you kidding me this guys is crying for more money, The hell with him, Shut your mouth "Greg and play the game" Key words he is getting paid to P-L-A-Y.....Should have taken Moss except for the of field troubles. This guys sounds just like the other guy. It all boils down to CASH. Its Jerry's team !!!!! Thats right, I say we keep him, use him if we half too ,,and then discard him. This fool isn't worth anything. What a joke. Ashamed..hahahahahahahahahahah

 

[ilovejerry]

Sounds like you are more worried about what's best for Greg. Maybe you are a Greg fan and not a Cowboys fan? I don't care if it's Tom Landry, Emmitt Smith or Greg Ellis, i side with what's best for the Cowboys. It's a tough business and feelings get hurt over departures and contracts, but through it all i'm on the side of the STAR. Ellis can help this team. This team may be on the edge of championship. He wants out now? He can still be a huge player for us. What if Ware or Spencer get hurt? Greg is going nowhere and he will play because it's in the best interest of the Cowboys for him to do so and i suspect he's to greedy to just walk away for 2+ million.

Great Point! Fan of the STAR. How old are you Quincey? I'm wondering of you do remember When they got rid of my idol for Hershel Walker( an Unproven RB ) for a sure HOF Tony Dorsett !!!! I was heart broken but I sucked it up and realized I'm a fan of the STAR no matter what.
Love it or leave it, but stop crying its so sicking

 

[VACowboy]

Ellis wants to be paid like the #8 player taken in the draft instead of the average player he's been. The NFL is all about performance, and had Ellis performed up to the expectations of a player selected in the top ten we wouldn't be having this discussion. So he's a nice guy. So he's a leader (which I may debate). The fact is, he's a 32-year old DE who's been an average pass rusher with injury problems, and that's not a history that gets you a blockbuster deal. I doubt any team is going to pay a 32-year old defensive end coming off a blown achilles more than Ellis' current contract without seeing him play. The best I could see him getting is 2 mil or so and a little more if he reaches incentives until he proves he can play.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Lost in all of this is Jerry's mishandling of the situation.

Even with all the 'ummms', Jerry is a smooth talker that could take care of the situation, but he just pulls the 'We don't negotiate existing contracts' even though we have recently.

Jerry could probably sit down with Ellis and gush all over him, about how much they need him as evidenced by the defensive collapse after Ellis went down, blah, blah and placate Ellis enough that he feels wanted and doesn't complain anymore.

Ellis is still important to the team, because despite his recent complaining in the offseason, he still gives it his all on the field.

 

[PJCOWBOYS]

Apparently the "Mr I'm So Good" Ellis has no problem BASHING Jerry Jones in public with his comments. What a leader and good person.

 

[ilovejerry]

Lost in all of this is Jerry's mishandling of the situation.

Even with all the 'ummms', Jerry is a smooth talker that could take care of the situation, but he just pulls the 'We don't negotiate existing contracts' even though we have recently.

Jerry could probably sit down with Ellis and gush all over him, about how much they need him as evidenced by the defensive collapse after Ellis went down, blah, blah and placate Ellis enough that he feels wanted and doesn't complain anymore.

Ellis is still important to the team, because despite his recent complaining in the off season, he still gives it his all on the field.

So you want Jerry to Lie to him? or kiss his ***.. Please This guy is a Cry baby... WHA-The cowboys drafted a 1st round LB-WHA-My contract sucks-WHA-They don't love me anymore-WHA- my mediocre career is coming to-an end ( in my best Artie Lang impression).

Use-em and chuck em JERRY.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

I wish I had a job that payed what Ellis is getting...and they called me one day and told me, "Hey, 5Stars, you know what, we got a hotshot grad that is going to replace you soon, so why don't you just stay home and kick back for awhile, rest up, and when we need you we will call. Oh, and by the way 5Stars, there is hope that this new guy can land us a contract that could go along way towards helping your future endeavors. If that does not suit you, then we might be able to get you a job doing the same thing, but that company loses more money than it's worth to you in the long run."

I would be like, "Call me when you need me"!

I always laugh when people compare professional athletes to common run of mill jobs. (I am not trying to single you out here 5 Stars, your post was just the one I chose to make my point.)

NFL players make up .000005% of the US workforce population. (564 compared to 116,000,000) yet somehow we think that anything that relates to such a unique career can be explained by comparing it to our own situations, or at least a situation that most of us can relate to. The same thing can be said about the money, well so and so should just shut up and accept his millions and play. To the majority of us just to be given the opportunity to play a game that we love and make millions doing it would be enough, criminy most of us would be ecstatic just making the vet minimum. Hell I would pay good money just to hang out on the sidelines, but that doesn’t change the fact that we aren’t in the NFL and we cannot begin to relate to how the players view their careers and the money they make. A player cannot look at the salary he is getting, and say hey this is a lot of money to anyone else, he has to look at fair market value of what others in his profession are making and decide if he is satisfied with it or not. We can argue till the cows come home about whether or not Ellis would get more elsewhere, that isn’t the point of my post. I am simply saying you cannot apply your basic understanding of monetary compensation and apply it to this situation. It just doesn’t translate.

The closest you could get in your analogy here is to say:

We just brought in a new kid that we hope is going to replace you in the next few years, we are going to pay him twice what you make, and then probably release you when your contract is up in a few years, but, if you hang out, he might bring us a contract that might help you earn an 1/8th of what your making now in residuals after you retire.

If you are making 40k a year and they bring this hotshot new guy in that will make 80k and then just expect you to shut up and oh by the way help the new guy out so he can replace you quicker… I think you might not be averse to seeing who else might value your services as well.

Before I get slammed, I am not insinuating that Greg is right or wrong, or that he is over/under paid. I made my position clear on a different post and I stand by it, I just think it is a lesson in futility when comparing NFL careers to any other career.

/rant

Jon

 

[Big Dakota]

I see KY has a new lube out. They call it " placate"

 

[quincyyyyy]

Apparently the "Mr I'm So Good" Ellis has no problem BASHING Jerry Jones in public with his comments. What a leader and good person.

How did he bash Jerry?