Vela: Please Don't Trade Our Starting RB

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Bob Sacamano;1420720 said:
Juke said to PM him when they're about to do it :lmao2:

All this talk about 'sucking' and 'decency' in a family forum. Makes it hard to concentrate.
 

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5Stars;1420745 said:
There is no logic when both of you are comparing eggs to baseballs.

:confused:

Exactly.

I thought Mr. Punk would have figured it out by now...
 

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Idgit;1420707 said:
The sexual tension between these two is starting to creep me out. Can't you guys just get it over with, so we can go back to our Don't Trade Julius Jones thread?


Well he might get some if he'd sweet talk me a little. :D
 

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5Stars;1420745 said:
There is no logic when both of you are comparing eggs to baseballs.

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You got the first part right - there is no logic, but comparing the rank of the respective players and whether that is below average or above (lest we forget, Mr Winicki set the criteria for Bledsoe - 17th ranked QB = below average) is not comparing eggs to baseballs.

Bledsoe ranked out compared to other QBs in 2005 BETTER than Julius did vs. other RBs in 2006.

Yet Julius is decent - Bledsoe is not decent. Rather, he is below average.
 

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Stats that seem to be forgotten.

Playoffs vs. Seattle

Jones: 22 for 112 averaging 5.1
Barber: 3 for 4 averaging 1.3

Jones put the numbers up when we needed him the most, in the playoffs. And Parcells only gave Barber 3 carries, why? I don't know, but Julius did have a hell of a game in the playoffs.

When it was on the line Julius performed. Thats all I'm saying, and in the playoffs when it really counts.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1420770 said:
Exactly.

I thought Mr. Punk would have figured it out by now...

I have figured it out. What I have figured out is that when it comes to Bledsoe, (and Parcells, though he is no part of this discussion) you toss logic and rational thought out the window.

Which is fine - it's not rational with you, it's personal. Cool, whatever. Just don't botch your relative comparisons, then pee on my head and tell me it's raining. There is no logical reason for you to quantify 2005 Bledsoe as worse than 2006 Julius.

But you have.
 

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cowboyeric8;1420782 said:
Stats that seem to be forgotten.

Playoffs vs. Seattle

Jones: 22 for 112 averaging 5.1
Barber: 3 for 4 averaging 1.3

Jones put the numbers up when we needed him the most, in the playoffs. And Parcells only gave Barber 3 carries, why? I don't know, but Julius did have a hell of a game in the playoffs.

When it was on the line Julius performed. Thats all I'm saying, and in the playoffs when it really counts.


Oh you made up those numbers!

No way did Julius Jones ever do anything better than Marion Barber. :rolleyes:
 

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superpunk;1420788 said:
I have figured it out. What I have figured out is that when it comes to Bledsoe, (and Parcells, though he is no part of this discussion) you toss logic and rational thought out the window.

Which is fine - it's not rational with you, it's personal. Cool, whatever. Just don't botch your relative comparisons, then pee on my head and tell me it's raining. There is no logical reason for you to quantify 2005 Bledsoe as worse than 2006 Julius.

But you have.

You can't easily compare two positions WHERE ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS WAS NOT A FULL TIME PLAYER!

If you think comparing a full-time player with a guy that played what? 65% of the time then you have a twisted view of "rational". Come'on I know the people along the PA/MD border are smarter than that.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1420800 said:
You can't easily compare two positions WHERE ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS WAS NOT A FULL TIME PLAYER!

If you think comparing a full-time player with a guy that played what? 65% of the time then you have a twisted view of "rational". Come'on I know the people along the PA/MD border are smarter than that.

I compared multiple statistics. Julius comes out worse across the board, part-time players or not. yards per carry, yards per game, total yards, pick one. IMO, ypc would be the most important. Most part time RBs see their ypc inflated because of less pounding. Yet even in that stat, 2006 Julius grades out lower.

Shocking. :cool:
 

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This thread was started with a pretty good article, then ruined with peoples pointless ramblings.
 

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superpunk;1420805 said:
I compared multiple statistics. Julius comes out worse across the board, part-time players or not. yards per carry, yards per game, total yards, pick one. IMO, ypc would be the most important. Most part time RBs see their ypc inflated because of less pounding. Yet even in that stat, 2006 Julius grades out lower.

Shocking. :cool:


I compared multiple statistics. Don't you realize I have a reputation in this forum for being a statistics guru?[/superpunk]
 

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superpunk;1420780 said:
You got the first part right - there is no logic, but comparing the rank of the respective players and whether that is below average or above (lest we forget, Mr Winicki set the criteria for Bledsoe - 17th ranked QB = below average) is not comparing eggs to baseballs.

Bledsoe ranked out compared to other QBs in 2005 BETTER than Julius did vs. other RBs in 2006.

Yet Julius is decent - Bledsoe is not decent. Rather, he is below average.

The key difference being Bledsoe has been making the same mistakes and putting up mediocre/below average statistics for 13 years. Bledsoe has been with many different teams and lost his job one way or the other with all of them. Jones has only been in the league for 3 years, with one team, while putting up respectable numbers, and has never officially lost his starting job. There really is no comparison.
 

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Kilyin;1421144 said:
The key difference being Bledsoe has been making the same mistakes and putting up mediocre/below average statistics for 13 years. Bledsoe has been with many different teams and lost his job one way or the other with all of them. Jones has only been in the league for 3 years, with one team, while putting up respectable numbers, and has never officially lost his starting job. There really is no comparison.

There is a comparison.

Winicki set the criteria.

It's not my fault that he doesn't like it when his criteria is applied against a player he's decided to back, and it shows off a double-standard. Everything you said is true. But in the discussion we were having, irrelevent.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1420477 said:
I will say ask this though

how come he managed to hold Julius back, but not Barber? or Romo? or Ware? or Newman?


You can saca your mano from your . . . sight line now. BP rested our starting RB. Kept him guessing. Romo, Ware and Newman did not have to share playing time. In Barber's case, bless his pea-picking heart, he made the most out of the opportunity. All you Jones hate-ahs will just have to come to terms that Jones will probably start and then thrive under WP. I'm not saying that WP won't trade him, but there is little chance of that, and Wade being no fool, will give Jones his chance.
 

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the complaining will not stop till a player by the name of LaDainian Tomlinson is on our team...
 

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MichaelWinicki;1420792 said:
Oh you made up those numbers!

No way did Julius Jones ever do anything better than Marion Barber. :rolleyes:

Seattle was basically giving up the run that game, JuJo should've gone for 150+ against that soft D - which contributed to T.O. only catching two passes and Romo struggling to stretch the field against a secondary that was protecting guys such as Pete Hunter.

He was a lock that game to be on the market before he mustered up a fairly average performance against a very depleted defense.
 

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DallasEast;1420655 said:
...Parcells is a ball-control perfectionist...

Bingo!

Also, Parcells hates losing yards on any play. Thus Julius was coached to follow the play as designed and not to get creative (i.e cut-back). Parcells would rather get ½ yard than to loose 3 or 4.
 

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superpunk;1421157 said:
There is a comparison.

Winicki set the criteria.

It's not my fault that he doesn't like it when his criteria is applied against a player he's decided to back, and it shows off a double-standard. Everything you said is true. But in the discussion we were having, irrelevent.

And who brought up Bledsoe in this thread?

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MichaelWinicki;1421459 said:
And who brought up Bledsoe in this thread?

dork.gif

I give up.

Who?

MichaelWinicki;1420551 said:
I don't know why he is either.

There are some guys like Bledsoe who Doom's had a woody for and wanted to give every benefit in the world too (after I told him repeatedly what corpse Bledsoe was in Buffalo)... but a guy like Jones who's done a decent (not great, but decent job) get's tossed under the bus as fast as Dooms can toss him.

:eek:
 
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