Vela: Please Don't Trade Our Starting RB

[Bob Sacamano]

Your right I'm advocating having 2 RB compete for the starting role, not handing the job to either one but having them earn it. Yes that is what I'm saying and I'm sorry you don't get that.

I've said numerous times already that there should be an open competition, Norman

As far as being sure about Barber no I'm not sure which again is why I'm not saying hand him the job but don't sit there say he can't do it when there is nothing that says he can't.

I haven't seen anyone say Barber can't do the job, again, advocate an open competition, but don't just express doubts about Julius Jones, express them for both runners

 

[superpunk]

It wasn't decent. The 17th ranked starting QB isn't "decent".


That's below average.


Try again with a little less trauma?

Julius Jones rankings

Total yardage - 17th
YPC - Tied for 21st
YPG - 23rd
TDs - tied for 36th

This was decent, but Bledsoe wasn't?

I'm stunned.

 

[Doomsday101]

I've said numerous times already that there should be an open competition, Norman



I haven't seen anyone say Barber can't do the job, again, advocate an open competition, but don't just express doubts about Julius Jones, express them for both runners

I have seen people around here who says he can't do it and I did say I don't know if Barber can or can't but based on his play I think he deserves a chance at it. Is this alright with you? Norman

 

[Idgit]

You, why get technical about stuff. It's really quite simple. He just runs like a wimp. End of story.

Exactly. Why get accurate about stuff, 'n stuff, either? It's enough just to be opinionated. Good job!

http://www.bnbathletics.com/cowboysvids/juliusjones-hotstepper.wmv

Old video, but it's worth rewatching again.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have seen people around here who says he can't do it

such as?

and I did say I don't know if Barber can or can't but based on his play I think he deserves a chance at it. Is this alright with you? Norman

good then

btw, we get your point, don't need to see it in every page of every Julius Jones thread

 

[DallasEast]

While I don't believe that coaches can have an extreme negative effect on how well a running back performs, I do think that coaches can cause them to be more analytical of how they run with the ball. During Jones' first two injury-plagued seasons, he seemed to run less tentatively during games. Last season, he appeared to be more conscious of maintaining possession of the ball.

Parcells is a ball-control perfectionist. Fumbling is not optional. During 2006, I saw Jones covering up the ball very often with both arms right after the handoff and before he attempted to hit the hole. That's not what I remember of his running style in '04 and '05. He didn't first protect the ball and secondly find a running lane. He simply took the handoff and how he held the ball was an afterthought.

I think this had some impact on how he ran the ball last season and I put the 'blame' on Parcells. It's not a bad practice for a coach to instill, but it can hamper a running back's ability to process what his initial movement will be before the handoff or at the time of the handoff.

Will he second guess how he's going to plant his foot on a counter play? Is he determined to solely hit the hole if the play dictates it and disregard any option of taking a cutback lane if it catches the corner of his eye in that split second? Etc.

IMO, Jones is more a finesse back than a power back. He's more conscious of making a cut than securing the football. Instead of addressing that flaw in his game without reducing his overall effectiveness, I think that Parcells told Jones to hold onto the ball at all costs. That messed with his head. Take care of the ball first. Run second.

I've stated before on the forum that another similar running back, Tiki Barber, was well-known as a fumbler until Tom Coughlin's arrival. Coughlin (or someone on his staff that analyzed his problem) recognized that Barber would run with the ball away from his body. Coughlin corrected Barber's fumblitis by having him tuck the ball up high and into his chest. With his arm securing the rest of the ball underneath, it reduced fumbles caused by defenders (like Ellis) who knew that it was easy to strip the ball from Barber by simply grabbing at it as he carried it like a tote bag.

Afterwards, Barber's change in holding the ball did not impede his running style and his turnovers were reduced. The one positive thing that (I hope) will come about in this coaching change is that Jones will be helped in the same way. I want the return of the finesse back who ran the ball so well in limited games. Just my two cents.

 

[Doomsday101]

such as?



good then

I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to check things by you. I have doubts about Jones because of his role as the starter, Barber is not the starter he is not getting the carries that Jones gets, he is not opening the game as Jones does so yes I have more interest in what is going on with the starters more so than their backups and when I see a backup out performing then I want to see that backup get his chance for the job.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Julius Jones rankings

Total yardage - 17th
YPC - Tied for 21st
YPG - 23rd
TDs - tied for 36th

This was decent, but Bledsoe wasn't?

I'm stunned.

Trust me... you're more than "stunned".


I didn't know Bledsoe shared his position with someone else in '05 which caused his numbers to be even less-- just like Jones did it '06.

 

[5Stars]

Hey, I have no problems letting Barber compete for the staring job but last year's combined effort for both players was very, very good and with an improved offensive line I would look for even better things this year. I'm just not as down on Julius Jones as many here.

Can I join you for a beer?

I also am not as down as alot of people about Jones because I think he might have been used incorrectly? I'm not sure, but, did'nt the cowboy get away from the delayed draw quite a bit last season? I think that is where Jones did his best IIRC...

Also, the oline was having it's difficulties during the season, and, hopefully that will change this season. Also, I'm a Tuna fan, but, I think that last season he just rode the team to hard to not make mistakes during games rather then just letting the whole team relax, focus, and play the damn game

I really think the atmosphere around this team, this year, is going be much better without Tuna around to make everyone scared about making a mental mistake. I think the team was trying to "think" to much last year rather then just going out and play the game with your natural talent along with good coaching...

 

[superpunk]

Trust me... you're more than "stunned".


I didn't know Bledsoe shared his position with someone else in '05 which caused his numbers to be even less-- just like Jones did it '06.

Nice try, but I provided more than just total stats. YPC is not affected adversely by Barber.

Bledsoe isn't decent, but comparatively Julius grades out worse, and is decent.

Seriously, this is riveting.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Nice try, but I provided more than just total stats. YPC is not affected adversely by Barber.

Bledsoe isn't decent, but comparatively Julius grades out worse, and is decent.

Seriously, this is riveting.

Jones over his tenure in Dallas certainly has been better than Bledsoe was over his. Julius didn't lose his starter's job now did he?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to check things by you. I have doubts about Jones because of his role as the starter, Barber is not the starter he is not getting the carries that Jones gets, he is not opening the game as Jones does so yes I have more interest in what is going on with the starters more so than their backups and when I see a backup out performing then I want to see that backup get his chance for the job.

:YAWN: you're a broken record

 

[superpunk]

Jones over his tenure in Dallas certainly has been better than Bledsoe was over his. Julius didn't lose his starter's job now did he?

Now we're shifting the goal posts from where a player ranks relative to the league to whether or not he's lost his starter's job?

How convenient.

Bledsoe didn't lose his job last offseason. That didn't stop you from telling us all how awful he was. But Julius is "decent", and Bledsoe is not. How's that work?

 

[Doomsday101]

:YAWN: you're a broken record

You don't have to listen. :laugh2:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Now we're shifting the goal posts from where a player ranks relative to the league to whether or not he's lost his starter's job?

How convenient.

Bledsoe didn't lose his job last offseason. That didn't stop you from telling us all how awful he was. But Julius is "decent", and Bledsoe is not. How's that work?

Oh I see what this is about!

I never said Bledsoe had an awful 2005 in any of my posts. He did "OK".

Now was he bad in 2003, 2004, 2006? Yeah.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You don't have to listen. :laugh2:

I know, but I do :bang2:

 

[Idgit]

Now we're shifting the goal posts from where a player ranks relative to the league to whether or not he's lost his starter's job?

How convenient.

Bledsoe didn't lose his job last offseason. That didn't stop you from telling us all how awful he was. But Julius is "decent", and Bledsoe is not. How's that work?

Oh I see what this is about!

I never said Bledsoe had an awful 2005 in any of my posts. He did "OK".

Now was he bad in 2003, 2004, 2006? Yeah.

The sexual tension between these two is starting to creep me out. Can't you guys just get it over with, so we can go back to our Don't Trade Julius Jones thread?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The sexual tension between these two is starting to creep me out. Can't you guys just get it over with, so we can go back to our Don't Trade Julius Jones thread?

Juke said to PM him when they're about to do it

 

[superpunk]

Oh I see what this is about!

I never said Bledsoe had an awful 2005 in any of my posts. He did "OK".

Now was he bad in 2003, 2004, 2006? Yeah.

Just so we're clear.

Bledsoe was the 17th rated passer in 2005 - this is "below average" to quote you.

Julius ranked lower in every statistical category in 2006 - this is "decent" to quote you.

Gee...I guess I just don't follow your logic.

 

[5Stars]

Gee...I guess I just don't follow your logic.

There is no logic when both of you are comparing eggs to baseballs.