Very serious question about Tony Romo heading into the 2009 season

[DallasEast]

This is a huge season for Romo no doubt. poeple can brush it off and act like everything is fine, but reality is this year he has to show that he can lead this team in the playoffs. If He fails to show that consistant play during the season and clutchness in the playoffs, He will be on THIN ICE next year.

Romo doesn't have to pull off a huge season to be successful.

No one is brushing anything off.

No one is acting like everything is fine.

He will be scruntized by his play this season just like every other quarterback in the league.

While he may find himself on thin ice as some predict, the odds are extremely low that he will fall through it next season or even the following season.

 

[MONT17]

Go look up how long it took Peyton Manning to win a playoff game, and how many games he lost. Then come back here.

statements like this is why fans are fans...

 

[Zaxor]

Let me just throw this out there for thought....

what were the ages of the starting WR's in December for Romo?

 

[Doomsday101]

Romo is a very good QB in terms of putting up stats. However when it comes down to crunch time in December he doesn't step his game up. He makes the same mistakes as he did in September. Everyone else plays harder and smarter, he is the same. He also needs to be a better leader off the field. Great leaders don't say the things he said last year, don't have me get out Romo's quotes it's painful listening to things he says sometimes.

Until Romo learns that he needs to play smarter in December he will always be a very good QB who puts up stats but can't win when it matters.

I consider driving the field twice late in the game vs the Ravens a pretty good feat. Romo had nothing to do with a defense that allowed runs of 80 and 70 something yards. As for the qoutes he is dealing with a loss that does not make it anyless painful for him and while he would have been better off not saying what he did the reality is it is the truth, This is not life or death and even if he said what fans want to hear that will not change the crap Romo will have to deal with from the fans. I have watched Meredith and White go through the fan BS, people ragging on them, people who could not come close to doing what these men do. Romo is a good QB he need to make some improvements as do many on this team but there are not that many QB's as good as Romo in the NFL

 

[zrinkill]

While he may find himself on thin ice as some HOPE

fixed it for ya.

 

[Alexander]

This is a huge season for Romo no doubt. poeple can brush it off and act like everything is fine, but reality is this year he has to show that he can lead this team in the playoffs. If He fails to show that consistant play during the season and clutchness in the playoffs, He will be on THIN ICE next year.

Thin ice with who? The fans? Sure, some will be screaming bloody murder if he melts down in December again.

All that counts is whether or not Jerry Jones is fed up.

It would take a lot more from Romo for him to give up. He wouldn't have bothered to restructure with the "Romo-Friendly" theme in place if he was even close to regarding him as a liability.

Just look at the numbers also:

2007 – $6 million (the Cowboys added $4.5 million to his $1.5 million base this year)
2008 – $6.5 million (fully guaranteed)
2009 – $7 million ($6 million guaranteed)
2010 – $8.5 million
2011 – $9 million
2012 – $9 million
2013 – $11.5 million

He's got 67.5 million reasons not to give up on Tony Romo.

It is nice we drafted McGee. It does show we are trying to avoid the same looking under rocks behavior we did after Aikman retired. But he's not ready and won't be ready for a while. Don't kid yourself.

Now even if he blows it up, we are still looking at a Philip Rivers/Drew Brees situation. Then it comes down to the investment and that will drive the process.

Romo's contract alone buys him the next few seasons at the very least.

 

[Vtwin]

As I said, this didn't spell out the definition of success for me. If that's what you got from it, good for you.

I said

This thread was started defining success as winning a playoof game.

You said

I didn't see that spelled out so literally, but if that's the criteria, then I guess DeMarcus Ware hasn't proven anything either...

I pointed out from the original post.

Would you say this is a make or break year for Tony meaning that he has to play a huge role in helping the Cowboys win their first playoff game since 1997?

Let me show you that again

Would you say this is a make or break year for Tony meaning that he has to play a huge role in helping the Cowboys win their first playoff game since 1997?

Clearly the definition of success as it applies to THIS discussion is some success in the playoffs.

Would you say this is a make or break year for Tony meaning that he has to play a huge role in helping the Cowboys win their first playoff game since 1997?

Starting to get it?

Oh...I see. So because the QB touches the ball the most, they can be successful if they win a playoff game, but a LB or TE can't.

Hmm...

LOL. So you are saying that, as a rule the QB has the same influence on the the outcome of a game then the TE or LB/DE?

Really? I'll ask again a valid question that got ignored. YOU have to make the decision to sit one of these three players in a playoff game. Who do YOU sit? Let's assume that there is a capable back-up but below the standard of the starter. Who do you sit?

Ask the original poster. He's the one who said that either Romo has a "huge" year or he's not successful. That sounds pretty black and white to me. All the rest of us are doing is stating that that claim is ridiculous

One more question. How would YOU define a succesful season for Romo?

 

[DallasEast]

Thin ice with who? The fans? Sure, some will be screaming bloody murder if he melts down in December again.

All that counts is whether or not Jerry Jones is fed up.

It would take a lot more from Romo for him to give up. He wouldn't have bothered to restructure with the "Romo-Friendly" theme in place if he was even close to regarding him as a liability.

Just look at the numbers also:

2007 – $6 million (the Cowboys added $4.5 million to his $1.5 million base this year)
2008 – $6.5 million (fully guaranteed)
2009 – $7 million ($6 million guaranteed)
2010 – $8.5 million
2011 – $9 million
2012 – $9 million
2013 – $11.5 million

He's got 67.5 million reasons not to give up on Tony Romo.

It is nice we drafted McGee. It does show we are trying to avoid the same looking under rocks behavior we did after Aikman retired. But he's not ready and won't be ready for a while. Don't kid yourself.

Now even if he blows it up, we are still looking at a Philip Rivers/Drew Brees situation. Then it comes down to the investment and that will drive the process.

Romo's contract alone buys him the next few seasons at the very least.

:signmast:

 

[Vtwin]

No, Romo has not been perfect. Nor, has he been bad. Every QB goes through a maturation process, and Tony is going through his. People just need to try to be patient. Personally, I feel he has done extremely well for his circumstances, and he will get better. Will the Cowboys, as a team, get better? We shall see...

BINGO!

He needs to mature in some areas to get to the next level. Just like every QB that has ever played the game.

I think that most that are being classified as agenda driven haters are saying the same thing but the agenda driven homers can't seem to take the thought that Romo might need to get a little better in certain aspects of his game.

 

[Vtwin]

fixed it for ya.

The irony of your signature rivals that of Tent Dilfer having a ring while Marino doesn't...

 

[zrinkill]

The irony of your signature rivals that of Tent Dilfer having a ring while Marino doesn't...

Yet in what you consider logic ..... Dilfer was the better QB.

 

[DallasEast]

BINGO!

He needs to mature in some areas to get to the next level. Just like every QB that has ever played the game.

I think that most that are being classified as agenda driven haters are saying the same thing but the agenda driven homers can't seem to take the thought that Romo might need to get a little better in certain aspects of his game.

It would be interesting to read some of these so-called homers' comments, so that their posts can be scanned for omissions of this type. Some who have been given this particular label may have received it in error if some or all of their posts mention that Romo must have greater control preventing turnovers, getting rid of the ball timely, etc. Such inclusions would demonstrate that they acknowledge areas in Romo's game which he should improve upon. I believe that the same cannot be said of someone taking the stance that either Romo cannot improve his game or that he isn't a good quarterback to begin with. That's a fundamental difference in opinion.

 

[zrinkill]

I think that most that are being classified as agenda driven haters are saying the same thing but the agenda driven homers can't seem to take the thought that Romo might need to get a little better in certain aspects of his game.

Nope ...... just about everyone recognizes that ....

The ones who are being classified as "agenda driven haters" are those who only talk bad about Romo in every thread they invade with their agenda.

I actually do not include you in that since you are very careful how you word your criticism.

 

[Dodger]

I said

You said

I pointed out from the original post.

Let me show you that again

Clearly the definition of success as it applies to THIS discussion is some success in the playoffs.

Starting to get it?

LOL. So you are saying that, as a rule the QB has the same influence on the the outcome of a game then the TE or LB/DE?

Really? I'll ask again a valid question that got ignored. YOU have to make the decision to sit one of these three players in a playoff game. Who do YOU sit? Let's assume that there is a capable back-up but below the standard of the starter. Who do you sit?

One more question. How would YOU define a succesful season for Romo?

What part of "I didn't get it" do you not understand?

I.
Didn't.
Get.
It.

Get it?

I stated that I didn't see his definition spelled out literally; i.e. my definition of success = playoff win. That doesn't make my statement wrong. It just means that you managed to untangle that nonsense more quickly than I.

And I will ask you again a question that YOU continue to ignore. If Ware or Witten don't win a playoff game, are they failures?

You know what, forget it. You've got your agenda, and you're gonna stick to it no matter what.

I will answer your last question, though, gladly, but I don't need to post some stat prediction to do it. It is possible for Romo to have a successful season and the Cowboys not reach the playoffs. Why? Because I, unlike many on this board, realize that football is a TEAM sport.

Did Cassel have a successful year in 2008? By the original poster's standards he didn't. He was a failure.

That line of thinking is just beyond stupid.

 

[Vtwin]

Yet in what you consider logic ..... Dilfer was the better QB.

HUH?

Please point to my words that you drew that conclusion from.

You sir, are one of the biggest TROLLS on this forum.

 

[Vtwin]

It would be interesting to read some of these so-called homers' comments, so that their posts can be scanned for omissions of this type. Some who have been given this particular label may have received it in error if some or all of their posts mention that Romo must have greater control preventing turnovers, getting rid of the ball timely, etc. Such inclusions would demonstrate that they acknowledge areas in Romo's game which he should improve upon. I believe that the same cannot be said of someone taking the stance that either Romo cannot improve his game or that he isn't a good quarterback to begin with. That's a fundamental difference in opinion.

I would be interesting to read some of these comments. I don't think anyone is saying that.

You only have to read this last page to see comments that attack posters because they dare to suggest that Romo needs to improve.

There is even one troll who changes qouted words to imply that some WANT Romo to fail!

That's my point. If one dares to express a bit of criticism about Romo then one has to deal with this crap.

It's just the nature of this forum. Hell, one of the Mods leads the charge so it's no surprise. I learned in a hurry when I naively posted my thoughts about Roy Williams when I first joined and was called out immediately as having and agenda and being a troll.

Funny how that saga ended huh?

I've clearly stated in this thread and others that I am a Romo fan but I'm not a blind homer and every rose has it's thorns...

 

[zrinkill]

HUH?

Please point to my words that you drew that conclusion from.

That could speak as much to just how bad Bledsoe was as it does to how good Romo is. I acknowledged that in my first post. Romo looked great pretty much then entire 2007 season. The last drive of the playoff game he looked lost. So yes, the stats look great but when EVERYTHING was on the line he looked bad. Now this doesn't prove that he is a bad QB in any way. It sure as hell doesn't prove he is a good one either.

Of course others had responsibilty in those losses. That in no way absolves Romo of his responsbility in those losses.

You can point out every other plausible reason you can come up with but as of now Romo has not stepped up in a BIG game and made the difference. He has done it numerous times in the not so big games but has not yet done it in a BIG game. This thread was started defining success as winning a playoof game.

There is no denying that Romo has not PROVEN he can step up and make the play that will win the big game.

If judged by the same criteria ...... Marino never proved himself ...... in your opinion.

You sir, are one of the biggest TROLLS on this forum.

:laugh2: This coming from a guy who is taking great joy from arguing with people on whether Romo is a good QB or not.

I (and many many others) are just giving you what you are fishing for.

 

[zrinkill]

I would be interesting to read some of these comments. I don't think anyone is saying that.

Really?

You must have missed every Stilltheguru and RedRaiderCowboysFan post

 

[DFWJC]

These are outstanding points. And points that the media, and fans need to really have a better grasp of.

In the seattle game, Romo played very well. Had he not muffled the hold, or if Grammatica would have thrown even a shoulder to block the defender, Romo probably scores.

The Giants game he played very well too. Go look at all the tape of the Giants playoff run, and tell me which qb played the best under that pressure the Giants were putting on qb's. It wasn't Favre, it wasn't Tom Brady. It was Tony Romo. Strahan even said that the Cowboys were the toughest team they played in the playoffs.
If Crayton catches that pass over the middle, or doesn't give up on that route in the endzone, we win that game.

If we win just one of those games, the "romo can't win in the playoffs" talk is non existent.

And the funny thing is, Romo knows it, everyone in the Cowboys organization knows it, and I'm betting everyone in the NFL knows it.

The point being is that Romo has played very well in the playoffs. But because we didn't win, he gets the blame. Its ridiculous. Football games are usually won or lost on a couple key plays per game. Sometimes they go your way, sometimes they don't. But to lay it at the hands of Romo, or any quarterback, is really just ridiculous. Championship runs are done by teams, not quarterbacks. Go ask Trent Dilfer.

Careful CW. Common sense can be a form of disease when it comes to fully evaluating Romo around here.

 

[Vtwin]

What part of "I didn't get it" do you not understand?

I.
Didn't.
Get.
It.

Get it?

I stated that I didn't see his definition spelled out literally; i.e. my definition of success = playoff win. That doesn't make my statement wrong. It just means that you managed to untangle that nonsense more quickly than I.

And I will ask you again a question that YOU continue to ignore. If Ware or Witten don't win a playoff game, are they failures?

You know what, forget it. You've got your agenda, and you're gonna stick to it no matter what.

I will answer your last question, though, gladly, but I don't need to post some stat prediction to do it. It is possible for Romo to have a successful season and the Cowboys not reach the playoffs. Why? Because I, unlike many on this board, realize that football is a TEAM sport.

Did Cassel have a successful year in 2008? By the original poster's standards he didn't. He was a failure.

That line of thinking is just beyond stupid.

Oh Geeze,

Right, Comparing a back-up QB whom most fans didn't even want on the team to a long groomed starter who was just given a big contract is apples to apples.

So you still wont give any credence to the idea that the QB has more responsibility and has more influence over the longhaul then any other position? Really? On any given play Witten has to run his route and get open. Romo doesn't have more to think about and more decisions to make on that same play? Really?

For the third time, WHICH OF THE THREE WOULD YOU SIT IF YOU HAD TO SIT ONE OF THEM? Ware, Witten or Romo?

If Ware or Witten never win a playoff game they would not be failures. I think you really should go back and read the OP again with an open mind. I read the OP to more or less say "Romo has shown a couple of warts in his early life as a starting QB earning championship caliber money. He needs to have learned his lessons and to take the next step and if he doesn't there may be cause for concern".

I don't really see how that can be argued against.

You know what, forget it. You've got your agenda, and you're gonna stick to it no matter what.

LOL.

Riggggghhhhhhtttttt....... I spend my time plotting to ruin Romo's reutation and career from my office PC 2500 miles from Dallas. That's my "agenda". You busted me.