Very serious question about Tony Romo heading into the 2009 season

[Doomsday101]

Oh Geeze,

Right, Comparing a back-up QB whom most fans didn't even want on the team to a long groomed starter who was just given a big contract is apples to apples.

So you still wont give any credence to the idea that the QB has more responsibility and has more influence over the longhaul then any other position? Really? On any given play Witten has to run his route and get open. Romo doesn't have more to think about and more decisions to make on that same play? Really?

For the third time, WHICH OF THE THREE WOULD YOU SIT IF YOU HAD TO SIT ONE OF THEM? Ware, Witten or Romo?

If Ware or Witten never win a playoff game they would not be failures. I think you really should go back and read the OP again with an open mind. I read the OP to more or less say "Romo has shown a couple of warts in his early life as a starting QB earning championship caliber money. He needs to have learned his lessons and to take the next step and if he doesn't there may be cause for concern".

I don't really see how that can be argued against.



LOL.

Riggggghhhhhhtttttt....... I spend my time plotting to ruin Romo's reutation and career from my office PC 2500 miles from Dallas. That's my "agenda". You busted me.

No doubt Romo needs to improve especially with holding on to the ball as defenders are around him swiping at the ball but others need to step up as well because even if Romo makes that improvement we still have issues that need to be resolved. People talk about Romo late season breakdowns I'm seeing a team with breakdowns not just Romo. Romo no doubt needs to do his part but to advance others will have to as well. Lastly if I had to sit 1 down between Ware, Witten and Romo? It would Witten because it is much harder to get good play from the QB position and Romo by and large gives Dallas a chance at winning because of his talent.

 

[zrinkill]

For the third time, WHICH OF THE THREE WOULD YOU SIT IF YOU HAD TO SIT ONE OF THEM? Ware, Witten or Romo?

I will answer that.

Witten ..... and that sucks since he is one of my favorite players.

I just think an all pro TE is less of a loss than an all pro QB or DE/OLB

Even when I believe he is the best TE in the NFL.

 

[Real1st]

Romo is still a question mark..

He is very inconsistent.

 

[zrinkill]

Romo is still a question mark..

He is very inconsistent.

A few bad games does not make him inconsistent.

Being injured last year the entire second part of the season does not make him inconsistent.

He has many things he needs to work on ..... just like every other player in the league.

His think is ball protection and not trying to force the "money" play.

Other than that he has actually been consistently one of the best qb's in the league.

Thats a fact.

 

[Real1st]

A few bad games does not make him inconsistent.

Being injured last year the entire second part of the season does not make him inconsistent.

He is actually consistently one of the best qb's in the league when he is healthy.

Thats a fact.

He has been inconsistent in his career. We are not just talking about last year. We are talking about his whole career. He was only hurt last year. Lets stop using the injury thing as an excuse. Romo has stretches when he is on fire and stretches when he just looks bad.

 

[Vtwin]

If judged by the same criteria ...... Marino never proved himself ...... in your opinion.

Who was the better QB, Marino or Montana? Marino or Aikman? Marino or Young? What the heck.... Marino or Bradshaw?

Stats say Marino. Which of those guys in their prime do YOU pick to start your team?

This is a BS point anyway. THIS thread is about Tony Romo and my comments you referenced were intended to apply to Tony Romo in the context of his three season leading the Dallas Cowboys, not Marino or Dilfer who played in different times and different places. Nice try though.



[/quote]:laugh2: This coming from a guy who is taking great joy from arguing with people on whether Romo is a good QB or not.

I (and many many others) are just giving you what you are fishing for.[/quote]


This is exactly what I am talking about. Presenting an opposing opinion is "fishing" in your world. In my world it is discussing a topic. Since this is a DISCUSSION FORUM I naively figured discussing a topic was appropriate.

If I am classified as "taking great joy" (not sure how you can know that but whatever...) then what are the members who are "just giving it back" classified as?

How do you reconcile the FACT that I responded to already made comments? In your world wouldn't that mean that the first commentors were the ones "fishing"?

Is "fishing" defined as "anyone who disagrees with zrinkill"?

It's pretty clear that the first ones to start crying "AGENDA" are the ones
with the agenda.

 

[zrinkill]

stretches when he just looks bad.

When? What consecutive games has he looked bad in when he was not injured?

 

[Real1st]

When? What consecutive games has he looked bad in when he was not injured?

Check out the December swoon. Check out games when we win or lose. He gets hot then cold. Cold then hot. He is a very streaky player.

 

[Doomsday101]

It should bring to light that winning SB is not just about the QB. My god Joe Fricken Thiesman has a ring he was not a great QB, Dilfer and Williams as well as some other. QB is an important position but it does not mean having a great QB wins championships. As great as Elway was he won his rings late in this career in large part because they found a RB who could put up 2,000 yard season in Davis. Romo has things he needs to improve on but you don't put up the numbers he has without having very good talent, but he is not going to do it alone none have ever done it alone

 

[Dodger]

Oh Geeze,

Right, Comparing a back-up QB whom most fans didn't even want on the team to a long groomed starter who was just given a big contract is apples to apples.

Way to dodge the point. Nice.

So you still wont give any credence to the idea that the QB has more responsibility and has more influence over the longhaul then any other position? Really? On any given play Witten has to run his route and get open. Romo doesn't have more to think about and more decisions to make on that same play? Really?

Sure, the QB has more responsibility, but please show me where I said otherwise.

For the third time, WHICH OF THE THREE WOULD YOU SIT IF YOU HAD TO SIT ONE OF THEM? Ware, Witten or Romo?

This is irrelevant. You and the OP presented the opinion that Romo is a failure if he doesn't reach the playoffs. Applying that same standard to other players on the team is perfectly legitimate as, again, this is a TEAM sport. Romo doesn't do it all himself, and I think this is what you and others seem to be stuck on.

If Ware or Witten never win a playoff game they would not be failures. I think you really should go back and read the OP again with an open mind. I read the OP to more or less say "Romo has shown a couple of warts in his early life as a starting QB earning championship caliber money. He needs to have learned his lessons and to take the next step and if he doesn't there may be cause for concern".

I don't really see how that can be argued against.

Of course Romo could do better. Where I disagree with you and the OP is that Romo is a failure if the TEAM doesn't get to the playoffs.

Riggggghhhhhhtttttt....... I spend my time plotting to ruin Romo's reutation and career from my office PC 2500 miles from Dallas. That's my "agenda". You busted me.

Glad you found the smilies. Using them, however, doesn't cover up the ridiculous nature of your statement.

 

[Doomsday101]

Check out the December swoon. Check out games when we win or lose. He gets hot then cold. Cold then hot. He is a very streaky player.

Check out the play of the 10 men arond him who have not been playing great either late in the season. A line who is giving up 12 sacks in 1 month? Please.

Romo and many others have work to do to achive their goals but this is far from a Romo problem.

 

[zrinkill]

Who was the better QB, Marino or Montana? Marino or Aikman? Marino or Young? What the heck.... Marino or Bradshaw

My list would be Montana, Aikman, Marino, Bradshaw, and Young.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Presenting an opposing opinion is "fishing" in your world. In my world it is discussing a topic. Since this is a DISCUSSION FORUM I naively figured discussing a topic was appropriate.

If I am classified as "taking great joy" (not sure how you can know that but whatever...) then what are the members who are "just giving it back" classified as?

How do you reconcile the FACT that I responded to already made comments? In your world wouldn't that mean that the first commentors were the ones "fishing"?

Is "fishing" defined as "anyone who disagrees with zrinkill"?

It's pretty clear that the first ones to start crying "AGENDA" are the ones
with the agenda.

Who quoted and then personally attacked who in this thread first?

Made fun of my sig ..... then called me a troll for disagreeing with you so what is the definition of fishing again?

Seems to me you are the one who is not interested in discussing things ..... just stating your "agenda" and playing the victim card when others disagree.

 

[Real1st]

It should bring to light that winning SB is not just about the QB. My god Joe Fricken Thiesman has a ring he was not a great QB, Dilfer and Williams as well as some other. QB is an important position but it does not mean having a great QB wins championships. As great as Elway was he won his rings late in this career in large part because they found a RB who could put up 2,000 yard season in Davis. Romo has things he needs to improve on but you don't put up the numbers he has without having very good talent, but he is not going to do it alone none have ever done it alone

Of course just the QB alone wins games. But he is an important part of the equation. Romo's biggest flaw is his decision making. That is something that needs to be consistent. That is the consistency issues i have with Romo.

 

[Real1st]

Check out the play of the 10 men arond him who have not been playing great either late in the season. A line who is giving up 12 sacks in 1 month? Please.

Romo and many others have work to do to achive their goals but this is far from a Romo problem.

Did i say he was the only probably??? Even when he had good protection he made some bogus errors.. Check the Buffalo game. Decision making from Romo has to improve. Just like our overrated offensive line.

 

[Doomsday101]

Of course just the QB alone wins games. But he is an important part of the equation. Romo's biggest flaw is his decision making. That is something that needs to be consistent. That is the consistency issues i have with Romo.

Romo does not throw many Ints compared to the top QB's. He has had issues with fumbling as he is running for his life due to break downs in the line. That is still on Romo I will not deny that at all but the QB no matter who he is only controls so much he can't control it all and wins and loses are not soley on the QB nor is the greatness of a QB determined by rings there are some less than great QB's who have them. It is a team sport not a QB and then everyone else. When this group learns how to play as a team and all parts are working then you will win championships for anyone to lay the failure of the team at the feet of Romo truely does not understand the concept of what is the ultimate team sport.

 

[Doomsday101]

Did i say he was the only probably??? Even when he had good protection he made some bogus errors.. Check the Buffalo game. Decision making from Romo has to improve. Just like our overrated offensive line.

And I think Romo does need to improve but I also know we are a better team today because of Romo not inspite of Romo.

 

[zrinkill]

Check out the December swoon. Check out games when we win or lose. He gets hot then cold. Cold then hot. He is a very streaky player.

Hmmm

Well in 2006 he was rolling and then messed up a fieldgoal snap (which had nothing to do with him being a QB)

in 2007 he won 7 straight
1 loss
1 win
1 loss
Then loss in the playoffs after having a good game.

In 2008 he was hurt most of the year.

How is that streaky?

 

[Apollo Creed]

Check out the December swoon. Check out games when we win or lose. He gets hot then cold. Cold then hot. He is a very streaky player.

Show me another QB that isn't streaky.

Every QB succeeds when you give them a pocket, run the ball well, and your receivers good routes.

Tony Romo hasn't had the luxury of having a great pocket, solid running game, and dependable play at receiver since 2007 - the same year he shattered almost all Cowboy passing records.

Last year was a tough year for him, playing through tough injuries, a banged up line, no Marion Barber/Felix Jones, and one of the hardest December stretches against 3 top 5 defenses.

And he still managed to have an outstanding QB rating and 60+ completion percentage, again. Third year in a row.

We've got some streaky players on our squad, and we got rid of the main one this offseason - but Tony Romo is the most consistent player on our team not named Witten or Ware.

 

[sonnyboy]

BINGO!

He needs to mature in some areas to get to the next level. Just like every QB that has ever played the game.

I think that most that are being classified as agenda driven haters are saying the same thing but the agenda driven homers can't seem to take the thought that Romo might need to get a little better in certain aspects of his game.

What agenda would or could a "homer" have?

You have soem trolls on here and their agenda is clear.
You also have some fans pumping a pet cat or harboring some ill feeling toward a player who also have clear agendas.

I'm just wondering what the agenda of the homer is?

As far as Romo goes, of course he can improve. How many players can't?
The question is how much he can and perhaps needs to, to lead this team to a SB?

I hope he does improve overall, but I don't believe he "needs to". He is a probowl level QB. He's already demonstrated a level of play neccessary to lead a team to a SB.

 

[Vtwin]

No doubt Romo needs to improve especially with holding on to the ball as defenders are around him swiping at the ball but others need to step up as well because even if Romo makes that improvement we still have issues that need to be resolved. People talk about Romo late season breakdowns I'm seeing a team with breakdowns not just Romo. Romo no doubt needs to do his part but to advance others will have to as well. Lastly if I had to sit 1 down between Ware, Witten and Romo? It would Witten because it is much harder to get good play from the QB position and Romo by and large gives Dallas a chance at winning because of his talent.

I think this is where some of the discontent lies. This is a thread about Romo so my comments are more or less specific to Romo himself. Of course I don't expect him to overcome a bad O-line and or a bad D that gives him few chances and has him playing catch-up. There is also the intangible side that doesn't show up in the stats.

I would also sit Witten, begrudgingly. I only asked that question to try and illustrate to another poster that the QB position does have more responsibility for the team's success then any other position, over the long haul.