Very serious question about Tony Romo heading into the 2009 season

[lqmac1]

Would you say this is a make or break year for Tony meaning that he has to play a huge role in helping the Cowboys win their first playoff game since 1997? In all honesty, how long does this franchise hold on to a QB who plays a role in the cowboys either missing the playoffs or getting put out in the first game? I will admit I was very high on Romo in 2006 and 2007 but that Eagles game from the last game of the season has me unsure about him. I think we all should be worried a little when a QB compares one of his interceptions to being similar to a punt. So I just see this year as the year that he succeeds or will be on extremely thin ice in 2010. How many more chances shoukd he get for the money he makes?Is there anyone on this board who would not want to see another QB in 2010 if the Cowboys lose their 1st playoff game or miss the playoffs?

thats your whole problem right there, I Hate it when ppl judge of 1 game. Peyton manning sucks cause he can't beat the chargers and he threw 5 interceptions that game?? cmon now get real.

The qb position takes time aikman brady manning marino elway etc. did'nt come in the league winning super bowls. Patience is key for romo if the o-line was half of what it is claimed to be we would be a superbowl team

 

[tyke1doe]

Agree with half of what you're saying. He needs better pass protection for sure to help him remain healthy.
But he doesn't need protection via a conservative gameplan. He's a better QB than both Ben and Eli.

He hasn't shown that he's better in the clutch and when it counts. And that's the reason why he's being criticized.

During the Giants playoff game, he just didn't know how to throw the ball away. He kept trying to make a play, holding the ball too long and got sacked.

In the Ravens game, he essentially tosses a pass he considered as good as a punt, forgetting you have Ed Freakin Reed playing free safety and who can take it back for a score.

He may be more "talented," but he hasn't shown he is better than those two.

 

[sonnyboy]

OMT- I call Commanders TROLL on the OP. That's a favorite troll technique. Come on a site and pose as a concerned fan.quote]
You are probably right on track with that call.

Don't you love that garbage? I don't mind a opposing fan coming on here "announced" to talk a little trash.

That's fun. And I don't even consider those people trolls.

It's the sneak attack that gets under my skin. The people without enough balls, brains or ammo to come on here announced and take their shots.

"I'm a Cowboy fan and don't think Romo's really that good or will ever win a playoff game because...........blah blah blah."

Give me a break.

 

[bbgun]

How in the world can anyone say Romo is better than Rothlisberger? That guy has been to and won 2 SBs and been to 3 AFC Championship games in 4 years of play. He drove his team to a SB win in the last 2 minutes of the game. Something the great Tom Brady hasn't even done.

I would take Big Ben over just about any QB in the league. The guy is a flat out stud and a winner!

Sure he's got the playoff victories and the rings, but Tony's got the all-important regular season stats.

Sarcasm aside, his detractors will tell you that he's a mere bus driver who benefits from an awesome defense, or something like that.

 

[zrinkill]

Don't you love that garbage? I don't mind a opposing fan coming on here "announced" to talk a little trash.

That's fun. And I don't even consider those people trolls.

It's the sneak attack that gets under my skin. The people without enough balls, brains or ammo to come on here announced and take their shots.

"I'm a Cowboy fan and don't think Romo's really that good or will ever win a playoff game because...........blah blah blah."

Give me a break.

 

[Vtwin]

Why are Ware and Witten considered the best at what they do? Why are both on a fast track for the HOF?

Neither of them have won a playoff game. Neither has a winning record in Dec.

Cowboy fan since 1970ish here.


If, on the last drive of the 07 playoff game, Romo had looked around a bit (he had time) more instead of forcing that final pass to TG then Witten and Ware may very well have that playoff win.

On the majority of teams the QB has a far greater influence on the team's success then the TE or the pass rusher. Of course this means he will under the most scrutiny and has to play well even more consistently.

A case could be made that having these two HOF caliber players, not to mention another in TO and a spirit breaking bull at RB (at least in 07) may be making Romo look better then he is. I'm not saying that is the case but in a way how could it not be true to some extent? Romo has had top notch, mostly veteran receivers to throw to since day 1 and he came into a situation that played to his strengths and made useless the previous couple years worth of game films opponets had to used against us.


Romo has to show improvement as a whole this year. If he doesn't it will be a long season. I think he took a little step back last year.

As far as replacing him goes.... LOL get real.

Of course it wouldn't be easy.

It wouldn't be easy for the Giants either and Manning already sucks! LOL

Romo is with the Cowboys for at least the next three seasons regardless of what happens this year.

He does need to take the next step though.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure he's got the playoff victories and the rings, but Tony's got the all-important regular season stats.

Sarcasm aside, his detractors will tell you that he's a mere bus driver who benefits from an awesome defense, or something like that.

Ben is a very good QB and yes he did benifet from defense as well as other going out and making plays. Ben did not do it alone, his defense was one of the tops in creating turnovers thus you get more oppertunities to put points on the board. Hell Pitt had 20 ints how many did Dallas have? Yeah 8 big ints wow. I take nothing away from Ben he has earned it but he does it because of the team it is not ben alone

 

[Maikeru-sama]

How in the world can anyone say Romo is better than Rothlisberger? That guy has been to and won 2 SBs and been to 3 AFC Championship games in 4 years of play. He drove his team to a SB win in the last 2 minutes of the game. Something the great Tom Brady hasn't even done.

I would take Big Ben over just about any QB in the league. The guy is a flat out stud and a winner!

The bold is QFT

Tony Romo is in the stage of his career where he has put up phenomenal numbers in the Regular Season but has not had any Post Season success.

Doesn't mean he isn't a good players, but just like every Quarterback that has ever played, he achieves one objective and then many more appear after that.

I think you can talk about Tony Romo and Ben R because they are contemporaries, but Ben R has helped lead a team to a Super Bowl and that is what you are remembered for.

 

[DFWJC]

If anyone watched Ben's 1st SB win they would have to say that the Steelers one inspite of his horrible performance. He would be (and has been) the very 1st to agree with comment. He royally sucked in that win.

 

[Vtwin]

If anyone watched Ben's 1st SB win they would have to say that the Steelers one inspite of his horrible performance. He would be (and has been) the very 1st to agree with comment. He royally sucked in that win.

Well, the officials pretty much controlled the outcome of that game but your point is valid.

However, Ben did do enough to make teams pay for trying to stop their running game in the three playoff games it took for them to get to the SB.

I like the Romo to Rothlesburger comparison. They're not the same player but were put in similiar situations to an extent. Ben has show growth in both his tangibles and intangibles.

Haven't seen that yet with Romo and this is the year for him to show some.

 

[sonnyboy]

He hasn't shown that he's better in the clutch and when it counts. And that's the reason why he's being criticized.

During the Giants playoff game, he just didn't know how to throw the ball away. He kept trying to make a play, holding the ball too long and got sacked.

In the Ravens game, he essentially tosses a pass he considered as good as a punt, forgetting you have Ed Freakin Reed playing free safety and who can take it back for a score.

He may be more "talented," but he hasn't shown he is better than those two.

Sure he has. Plenty of clutch performances on his resume.

I've always agreed that to the victor go the spoils.

I'm not going to cry like a baby over the success of Ben or Eli. Their teams won, they have the ring.

Sure Ben faced some seiously weak SB competion in Seattle and Arizona, sure Eli had the game losing int dropped on the final SB drive.

But you know what. I like both these guys as players and as people.

Eli's had it tough in NY trying to live up to his big brother. And Ben's taken a real physical beating in Pit. Lots of hits and sacks and has proven to be a real tough guy.

I've never been the type of person/fan that felt the need to knock down the competion a few pegs just to make my guy look better.

Romo doesn't need that. His performance speaks for itself and justifies his place as one of the very best QBs playing today.

And I stand by what I said about Romo being a better player. Week to week, he does more to help his team win the games they have won than those guys.

 

[bbgun]

If anyone watched Ben's 1st SB win they would have to say that the Steelers one inspite of his horrible performance. He would be (and has been) the very 1st to agree with comment. He royally sucked in that win.

Except that he made play after play in three straight road games to get them into that position. Ever see Bob Griese's stats from SB 7? Just as anemic, but something tells me he cares not a lick.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, the officials pretty much controlled the outcome of that game but your point is valid.

However, Ben did do enough to make teams pay for trying to stop their running game in the three playoff games it took for them to get to the SB.

I like the Romo to Rothlesburger comparison. They're not the same player but were put in similiar situations to an extent. Ben has show growth in both his tangibles and intangibles.

Haven't seen that yet with Romo and this is the year for him to show some.

Hopefully with more of a running game Romo can but as I pointed out Ben success is due to a lot of people. A defense that can create turnover, our's didn't get many turnover and as we all know or should know getting turnovers leads to wins. Pitt ranked 22nd on offense they also had the #1 ranked defense anyone who does not think the Pitt defense played a very large role in that teams success is blind.

 

[Trendnet]

Sure he's got the playoff victories and the rings, but Tony's got the all-important regular season stats.

Sarcasm aside, his detractors will tell you that he's a mere bus driver who benefits from an awesome defense, or something like that.

I eagerly await for your argument on why Terry Bradshaw is better than Roger Staubach.

 

[DFWJC]

Well, the officials pretty much controlled the outcome of that game but your point is valid.

However, Ben did do enough to make teams pay for trying to stop their running game in the three playoff games it took for them to get to the SB.

I like the Romo to Rothlesburger comparison. They're not the same player but were put in similiar situations to an extent. Ben has show growth in both his tangibles and intangibles.

Haven't seen that yet with Romo and this is the year for him to show some.

I too think Ben is getting better...even if if stats don't show it. I like him alot.

Then again, I think a guy like David Garrard may have a couple of Super Bpwl rings if he was the QB at Pittsburgh...and that is not insulting either Garrard or Big Ben. I just watch the two play and they seem similar to me...it's just DG has thrown to a bunch of nobodies for his two starting seasons and Ben has throw to guys like Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington, and Heath Miller. They both had crippled lines last year and their stats were about identical.
When they did meet in the playoffs two years ago, DG's team even won. Ben may be better, but the gap is small, imo.

Point is Big Ben is good but is more of a bus driver IMO. Great Super Bowl performance this past year though.

 

[DFWJC]

Except that he made play after play in three straight road games to get them into that position. Ever see Bob Griese's stats from SB 7? Just as anemic, but something tells me he cares not a lick.

Of course not. The ring is what counts.

I was only discussing the SB game and what Ben has admitted was a sorry perfomance. I give him credit for manning up about it...and that was 3 years ago...so he has improved for sure.

 

[sonnyboy]

I too think Ben is getting better...even if if stats don't show it.

Then again, I think a guy like David Garrard may have a couple of Super Bpwl rings if he was the QB at Pittsburgh...and that is not insulting either Garrard or Big Ben. I just watch the two play and they seem similar to me...it's just DG has thrown to a buch of nobodies for his two starting seasons and Ben has throw to guys like Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington, and Heath Miller. They both had crippled line last year and their stats were about identical.
When they did meet int he playoffs two years ago, DG's team even won.

Point is Big Ben is good but is more of a bus driver IMO. Great Super Bowl performance this past year though.

Agree with everything you said and Ben was money on that last drive. He moved up a few notches on my list with that alone.

You know what's interesting. So often when people take shots at Romo, his ball security comes up. It doesn't factor into his QB rating and people use it as a reason to downgrade him.
Well last week someone posted a list of QB fumbles lost since 2006 and Romo wasn't exactly a leader.
Similar number of fumbles lost as a lot of good players over that time. He actually had one or two less than Ben.

 

[bbgun]

I eagerly wait for your argument on why Terry Bradshaw is better than Roger Staubach.

Bizarre non sequitur. I never claimed that Roeth was the superior quarterback, only that he had a big edge in the rings department--which, after all, is what this is all about, no? My post was more of a jab at Ben's petty detractors.

BTW, do you think Bradshaw was just "along for the ride" or something? He was as indispensable as any other member of that dynasty.

 

[tyke1doe]

Sure he has. Plenty of clutch performances on his resume.

I've always agreed that to the victor go the spoils.

I'm not going to cry like a baby over the success of Ben or Eli. Their teams won, they have the ring.

Sure Ben faced some seiously weak SB competion in Seattle and Arizona, sure Eli had the game losing int dropped on the final SB drive.

But you know what. I like both these guys as players and as people.

Eli's had it tough in NY trying to live up to his big brother. And Ben's taken a real physical beating in Pit. Lots of hits and sacks and has proven to be a real tough guy.

I've never been the type of person/fan that felt the need to knock down the competion a few pegs just to make my guy look better.

Romo doesn't need that. His performance speaks for itself and justifies his place as one of the very best QBs playing today.

And I stand by what I said about Romo being a better player. Week to week, he does more to help his team win the games they have won than those guys.

Fair enough.

I happen to be one of those Cowboys fans who believes Romo will ultimately get it done. He has the talent, but I think he has to learn how to manage a game, not feel he has to make every play, every down.

But I think this year we'll see a more mature quarterback.

 

[tyke1doe]

I eagerly await for your argument on why Terry Bradshaw is better than Roger Staubach.

The fact that Terry Bradshaw has more rings than Roger is not Roger's fault.

Roger didn't drop a touchdown pass that hit him right in the bread basket.

Roger didn't call a bogus pass interference on Benny Barnes.

Be that as it may, I don't think anyone would argue that Big Ben has better weapons than Roger or Bradshaw.