Vick Indicted

[iceberg]

I could care less about dogs and I'm from North America. They are worthless anyway.

wow - id yourself as a troll on post 1.

good job.

 

[Wood]

PETA starting to step in:

"Anyone capable of forcing dogs to fight to the death should be kept away from all vulnerable forms of life, particularly children and animals," says Newkirk. "Dogfighting is an illegal act that deserves harsh punishment, no matter how famous the alleged perpetrators are."



This morning, all of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick's corporate sponsors, Falcons CEO Arthur Blank, and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell received a joint letter from hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons, civil rights leader The Rev. Al Sharpton, and PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk roundly condemning dogfighting and other forms of violence.

 

[sacase]

Oh, gonna play that game, are you?? Then chew on this:



That quote is found on the pet-abuse.com website I told you about, taken from an ABC News report on May 31st... that website goes on to say:



That quote is taken from an article in the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, dated May 29th... note that the confidential informant making the claim has proven reliable in past investigations... he may even be one of the 4 confidential witnesses cited in the indictment, though I don't know that to be the case...

It's based on these two articles that I made the claim I made about Vick being a VERY big player in this "sport"... this is supported by the long-term interest the Humane Society of the United States has had in Vick as a player in the dogfighting game:



If you can show me where any of the other named codefendants had the wherewithal to bankroll that operation, I'll be happy to back off my claims that Vick was the "ringleader" of that operation... but given that they were living on the property rent-free, that sure suggests that they didn't have that kind of money...



This is documentation of my assertion that Vick was a "person of interest" that the Humane Society had been watching for some years...

So, you accused me of lying, but I can document where I got the assertions I made... if you have any class in you at all, you'll stand up and apologize (though I won't hold my breath waiting, and won't cry myself to sleep when you don't, since I've lost any respect I once had for you)...



But you're not doing any such thing, to the contrary, you're spending a great deal of energy trying to DEFEND the guy...



Oh, bull... saying that dog fighting really isn't that big a deal is defending him, and you know it...

Sorry, in my opinion, dog fighting is not that big of deal in the grand scheme of things. Is it wrong? Yes. Disgusting? Yes. Of huge importance. No.

Dude you document the media and quote ESPN, like ESPN is never wrong. ESPN is not a credible source. I personally don't know any investigator that would allow his source to appear on a freaking ESPN.

Vick may very well have finaced the dog fighting operation of Bad Newz Kennels. That part is not in contention. Alledging that he was one of the people running the whole ring is what I am saying is just plain false. It is more than clear by the indictment that he is being indicted for his participation in dog fighting not running the whole ring.

 

[silverbear]

Have you actually read the indictment? I think not.

Well, I certainly believe you "think not", because I most assuredly have read the indictment, thanks to the link Cobra provided...

He is alleged to have sponsored dogs, not run a whole ring.

Well, that's a willful distortion of the indictment... he is alleged to have participated in a CONSPIRACY, a conspiracy to "promote, manage, establish, carry on... a business enterprise involving gambling"...

He is further accused of purchasing pit bulls for use in dog fighting competitions, training and breeding pit bulls for use in dog fighting competitions, travelling to other states to participate in dog fighting competitions, providing funding for the expenses connected to the dog fighting operation... testing dogs for their suitability for fighting, and killing those dogs that he found unsuitable...

He is further accused of paying 34 grand to buy the property in Surry County, and developing that property into a dog fighting operation... and when it comes to the financing of this operation, he's the only one of the defendants who had the wherewithal to come up with that kind of money...

All of that is one hell of a lot more than "sponsoring dogs"... so now, you've just distorted the accusations against Vick, in your desperate attempt to defend him...

And you called ME a liar??

 

[Big Dakota]

Nope, instead you're gonna defend him...



See what I mean??

"Only" dog fighting?? I guess you don't know that there's gambling, drugs and illegal guns at virtually every dog fight...



If he gets convicted, he's doing jail time... count on it...

Most of these guys that defend Vick are criminals themselves.

 

[Wood]

you must have too much arsenic in your water system there in Virgina.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, in my opinion, dog fighting is not that big of deal in the grand scheme of things. Is it wrong? Yes. Disgusting? Yes. Of huge importance. No.

Dude you document the media and quote ESPN, like ESPN is never wrong. ESPN is not a credible source. I personally don't know any investigator that would allow his source to appear on a freaking ESPN.

Vick may very well have finaced the dog fighting operation of Bad Newz Kennels. That part is not in contention. Alledging that he was one of the people running the whole ring is what I am saying is just plain false. It is more than clear by the indictment that he is being indicted for his participation in dog fighting not running the whole ring.

the problem here is that we as a society rarely attack issues "in order of importance".

i think even the most ardent dog lover would say there *are* worse crimes than dog fighting. but we take them as they come and deal with them as they come, not in "order".

and if vick wasn't running it, how come 4 years ago he bragged about living there in the off-season playing with video games and 50 dogs, now he's never there? (there being his remote house w/kennel).

he's a liar and he's busted. i understand some people demanding every bit of evidence coming clear first. i understand some want the courts to make up their mind for them before they'll speak out.

i've seen enough - he's a piece of trash and a liar to boot. he's on the radar now and i hope this does in fact cost him millions upon millions at a minimum.

 

[dacowboys]

wow - id yourself as a troll on post 1.

good job.

I don't give a damn what you call me. I still hate dogs.

 

[sacase]

Well, I certainly believe you "think not", because I most assuredly have read the indictment, thanks to the link Cobra provided...



Well, that's a willful distortion of the indictment... he is alleged to have participated in a CONSPIRACY, a conspiracy to "promote, manage, establish, carry on... a business enterprise involving gambling"...

He is further accused of purchasing pit bulls for use in dog fighting competitions, training and breeding pit bulls for use in dog fighting competitions, travelling to other states to participate in dog fighting competitions, providing funding for the expenses connected to the dog fighting operation... testing dogs for their suitability for fighting, and killing those dogs that he found unsuitable...

He is further accused of paying 34 grand to buy the property in Surry County, and developing that property into a dog fighting operation... and when it comes to the financing of this operation, he's the only one of the defendants who had the wherewithal to come up with that kind of money...

All of that is one hell of a lot more than "sponsoring dogs"... so now, you've just distorted the accusations against Vick, in your desperate attempt to defend him...

And you called ME a liar??

There is no willfull distortion. Just the facts. he is alleged to have participated in dog fights by sponsoring dogs. He is not alleged to coordinate a national dog fighting ring.

 

[silverbear]

right I am sure the federal government goes right over there to get all of their information.

Did I say they did?? Nope, you called me a liar, and I showed you the source of my accusations... not once did I say the Feds accused him of being a heavyweight in the dog fighting business (though you get that impression from the laundry list of dog fights they offered)...

And I made that assertion in direct response to YOUR ridiculous claim that he was "just a participant"... clearly, he was a lot more than that, but once again, you don't seem to have any problem playing fast and loose with the truth in your ongoing attempts to defend that piece of crap...

 

[iceberg]

I don't give a damn what you call me. I still hate dogs.

great - you don't give a damn, i won't give a damn - no one will give a damn. but to call dogs worthless because of your own singular point of view is either ignorance in motion or you're just stirring things up.

either way - got it. tag, you're a troll.

 

[03EBZ06]

I don't give a damn what you call me. I still hate dogs.

Then you should become a member of Bad Newz Kennels, you'd fit right in.

 

[superpunk]

I don't give a damn what you call me. I still hate dogs.

I like your style, captain.

 

[Zaxor]

I could care less about dogs and I'm from North America. They are worthless anyway.

I disagree atleast some of the North Americans are of some worth. Dogs on the other hand are priceless and those that abuse them worthless.

 

[Zaxor]

I don't give a damn what you call me. I still hate dogs.

Aww Dawg you don't mean that

 

[silverbear]

Silver, you probably aren't trained in law but the prosecutor will have to have evidence that Vick bankrolled the operation, and cannot convict him simply by saying no one else could have.

The bit about bankrolling the operation was offered in response to sacase's claim that Vick was "just a participant" in this... it had nothing to do with how the Feds will pursue their case... frankly, they don't need to prove that he's the ringleader, even though he clearly is... all they need to do is prove he's a coconspirator... he's not accused of being the ringleader in the indictment...

I just got disgusted when sacase tried to float that "he's just a participant" BS, and offered that up as rebuttal... I think he knows that Vick was the money man for this operation, but is either too obstinate or too disingenuous to admit it...

 

[dacowboys]

great - you don't give a damn, i won't give a damn - no one will give a damn. but to call dogs worthless because of your own singular point of view is either ignorance in motion or you're just stirring things up.

either way - got it. tag, you're a troll.

IMO dogs are worhtless. You have your views about dogs and I have mine. There is a reason I have my opinions about dogs.

 

[sacase]

Most of these guys that defend Vick are criminals themselves.

Please let the investigator conducting my next SSBI update know that as well as my polygrapher that does my 5 year lifestyle poly.

 

[Big Dakota]

I don't give a damn what you call me. I still hate dogs.

You've been registered for 2 years and those are you first two posts??? GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Big Dakota]

I like your style, captain.

Got a little captn in you.