Video: Joseph Randle's 2014 carries (All-22)

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Thanks for Fuzzy for posting the Murray highlights in the same thread. An interesting juxtaposition to have that in the same thread.

Comparing the two the thing that jumps out to me the most are the holes created by the offensive line. I don't see anything in the Murray video that I don't think can be accomplished by Randle.

I think the FO made the right call.

The Eagles have 11 million tied up in the running back position.

The Cowboys have around 4 million devoted to the running back position.

The Cowboys added significant resources to an already great offensive line. The Eagles added skill players.

I think we find out in 2015 what many of us have been saying for years--this game is won in the trenches. I think the Cowboys out rush the Eagles this season.
 

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Most of the media that hang around the team say that Murray played as many snaps as he wanted to play.

I guess that's possible. I would think Garrett would be smart enough not to overwork his workhorse, though, unless he had good reason to. Of course, there have been times in the past where it seemed like Dallas should have taken out other starters and didn't, so maybe he defers to the players some. I don't think that's wise for a variety of reasons.
 

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IMO.......the backs took what the line gave them.

Randle has a little more 'pinball' to him.

The running game will go as the line goes.................just like last year.
 

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I guess that's possible. I would think Garrett would be smart enough not to overwork his workhorse, though, unless he had good reason to. Of course, there have been times in the past where it seemed like Dallas should have taken out other starters and didn't, so maybe he defers to the players some. I don't think that's wise for a variety of reasons.

Garrett was trying to set a tone and it did seem to work, so I'm not going to complain too much; however, it was a big risk. Playing all of the starters deep into the meaningless blowout win in the final game was an example of setting the tone.
 

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I really got the feeling that it was important to them to have Murray set a record.

It makes no sense if that is the case for Randle to get just three carries in the second game of the season, two the next game, four the one after that, etc. Setting a record wasn't even a gleam in anyone's eye at that point.

Maybe closeness of games could be used as an excuse, but Dallas was in pretty good shape in the fourth game (against New Orleans) and still gave Randle the ball only four times.

Maybe xwalker is correct and Garrett was trying to set a tone or deferred to his starters.

Maybe the team was concerned that the more Randle carried the ball, the less effective he would be ... which was the case when he received his most carries of the season (13) against Indianapolis. He rushed for 37 yards (2.8 per carry).

That was his only game receiving 10-plus carries. The most he had in any other game was 7 for 56 yards (8.0 per carry), but that included a 40-yard run.

In 2013, he had three games with 10-plus carries and averaged 1.5, 3.4 and 1.9 YPC in them. Don't know if that means anything or is possibly why Dallas didn't give him the ball more ... he hadn't proven he could handle a bigger load.

Again, I like what Randle did last year overall when given opportunities, but one of the things that definitely helped his numbers out were the amount of carries he got. Take away his biggest run each game and the numbers don't look as a good for him.

At Tennessee, minus an 11-yard carry, he had two for 15 yards ... so that's good all around (7.5 per carry).

At St. Louis, minus a 7-yard carry, he had 1 for 2 yards.

Against New Orleans, minus a 14-yarder, he had 3 for 8 (2.2 per carry).

Against Houston, he had 2 for 4 yards period. (2.0 per carry either way you go).

At Seattle, take out his 38-yarder, he had 4 for 14 (3.2).

Against New York, he had a 4-yarder and a 3-yarder.

Against Washington, take away a 12-yarder, and it's 2 for 11 (another good one at 5.5).

Against Arizona, he had 1 for 2.

Against Jacksonville, as mentioned above he had a 40-yarder, his other 6 carries went for 16 yards (2.4).

Against Philly, he had 2 for 6, with a long of 3.

At Chicago, he had 1 for 17.

At Philly, he had 2 for 13 yards, with a long of 14, so his other carry went for -1 yard.

Against Indy, his average already was under 3 before taking out his long of 12. That left him at 12 for 25 (2.1).

At Washington, he had a 65-yarder, so his other 3 carries went for 4 yards (1.1).

So that's two games where he averaged 4.0 or better on his other runs and 10 where he averaged 3.2 or worse. (Didn't count Arizona or Chicago since he had only one run in each of those games.)

LET ME EMPHASIZE that if you do that with any back, it's obviously going to affect his numbers so this is in no way a perfect gauge of what to expect. However, it does show when you receive few carries it can make your numbers look really good (or really bad) without telling the whole story. The more carries you get, the less one big run can skew the numbers, which also can be skewed by goal-line runs, etc.

For instance, take out Murray's longest run of the season (against Washington) and he still carried 18 times for 90 yards (5.0) in that game (I don't want to go through all of Murray's game because I don't have time, but someone can feel free to do it. For a complete examination of either back, you'd really have to break it down even more, though.)
 

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Excellent video....that OL blocking was something to behold...they really did a phenomenal job.
 

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So me saying that about Randle equates to "Murray is a RB that can not be tackled" in your mind?

OK. As I said, the way you jump to these conclusions are utterly ridiculous.

If you want to say my points are unproven, so is the comment you made about Leveon Bell having more power and other backs you think who can move the pile better than Murray.

So if I follow your way of thinking , you said Leveon Bell is a magical back who can't be tackled by anyone.
You desperately don't want to discuss what you actually said.

Bell goes 250 lbs
 

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BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THESE STATS COME FROM! Haha, where do you think people get the stats from? Broken tackles aren't on NFL.com, Fuzzy. They come from sites that dig deeper; two popular sites: PFF and Football Outsiders, both have him listed breaking over 50 tackles when rushing. And there you go, you're going with Marshawn Lynch and downplaying Murray's stats. You are going by the most physical RB in the league who, even by his standards, exceeded expectations in that department. Not only was Lynch great with broken tackles, he was also great with missed tackles. He just had a phenomenal year, this is NOT a knock on ANY RB, this is praise for Lynch and the year he had.

This is like saying Peterson's 29 20+ yard runs in 2012 is the average EVERY RB should have, or should at least come close to. That is the highest since we started recording the stats back in 96.

You have done absolutely no research on this, and then you post a highlight video thinking that is great evidence? Even when that small sample size shows Murray breaking tackles? Don't waste my time, Fuzzy. NEXT!

You sure like to carry on. You don't get to speak for everyone. I'm not doing anything other then saying you have not linked anything and completely lack context. Someone else has already pointed that out but by all means become more shrill and wave yur hands at Lynch's much superior stats some more.

You're right that I am not going to research your arguments for you but to say that I have not look at NFL backs performances particularly our own is pretty stupid and gratuitous.
 

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It makes no sense if that is the case for Randle to get just three carries in the second game of the season, two the next game, four the one after that, etc. Setting a record wasn't even a gleam in anyone's eye at that point.

Maybe closeness of games could be used as an excuse, but Dallas was in pretty good shape in the fourth game (against New Orleans) and still gave Randle the ball only four times.

Maybe xwalker is correct and Garrett was trying to set a tone or deferred to his starters.

Maybe the team was concerned that the more Randle carried the ball, the less effective he would be ... which was the case when he received his most carries of the season (13) against Indianapolis. He rushed for 37 yards (2.8 per carry).

That was his only game receiving 10-plus carries. The most he had in any other game was 7 for 56 yards (8.0 per carry), but that included a 40-yard run.

In 2013, he had three games with 10-plus carries and averaged 1.5, 3.4 and 1.9 YPC in them. Don't know if that means anything or is possibly why Dallas didn't give him the ball more ... he hadn't proven he could handle a bigger load.

Again, I like what Randle did last year overall when given opportunities, but one of the things that definitely helped his numbers out were the amount of carries he got. Take away his biggest run each game and the numbers don't look as a good for him.

At Tennessee, minus an 11-yard carry, he had two for 15 yards ... so that's good all around (7.5 per carry).

At St. Louis, minus a 7-yard carry, he had 1 for 2 yards.

Against New Orleans, minus a 14-yarder, he had 3 for 8 (2.2 per carry).

Against Houston, he had 2 for 4 yards period. (2.0 per carry either way you go).

At Seattle, take out his 38-yarder, he had 4 for 14 (3.2).

Against New York, he had a 4-yarder and a 3-yarder.

Against Washington, take away a 12-yarder, and it's 2 for 11 (another good one at 5.5).

Against Arizona, he had 1 for 2.

Against Jacksonville, as mentioned above he had a 40-yarder, his other 6 carries went for 16 yards (2.4).

Against Philly, he had 2 for 6, with a long of 3.

At Chicago, he had 1 for 17.

At Philly, he had 2 for 13 yards, with a long of 14, so his other carry went for -1 yard.

Against Indy, his average already was under 3 before taking out his long of 12. That left him at 12 for 25 (2.1).

At Washington, he had a 65-yarder, so his other 3 carries went for 4 yards (1.1).

So that's two games where he averaged 4.0 or better on his other runs and 10 where he averaged 3.2 or worse. (Didn't count Arizona or Chicago since he had only one run in each of those games.)

LET ME EMPHASIZE that if you do that with any back, it's obviously going to affect his numbers so this is in no way a perfect gauge of what to expect. However, it does show when you receive few carries it can make your numbers look really good (or really bad) without telling the whole story. The more carries you get, the less one big run can skew the numbers, which also can be skewed by goal-line runs, etc.

For instance, take out Murray's longest run of the season (against Washington) and he still carried 18 times for 90 yards (5.0) in that game (I don't want to go through all of Murray's game because I don't have time, but someone can feel free to do it. For a complete examination of either back, you'd really have to break it down even more, though.)

It's just what happens when you have competing interests. They wanted to rotate and they wanted to go for the record. They tried to do both and we got what we got. Had Murray not broken down in December he might have had a chance.
 

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That is at best conjecture. You are inserting unprovable hypothesis and pretending that it is valid. You aren't bringing up plays you are making a generalization. Sorry if I am uncertain where your estimation of Murray's infallibility ends.

Murray was the king of the business decision where he would go down rather than take a hit in traffic. He was great at trucking individuals, the stiff arm and such but I remember him going down and scooting out of bounds rather than get hit just the same. He did the hitting or went down.

I never took issue with it because he was on pace for 400 carries but Murray found creases and fell forward. He did not try to carry piles and take hits.

You are such a fascinating poster. I get what you're doing and how you go about it and honestly- I admire your work. In several ways: from player/team analysis to poster debating- you are unique.
My humble way of tipping my hat to a formidable poster.
 

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You are such a fascinating poster. I get what you're doing and how you go about it and honestly- I admire your work. In several ways: from player/team analysis to poster debating- you are unique.
My humble way of tipping my hat to a formidable poster.

Well, thanks I guess. Just try to be empirical, logical, and hold people to the same standard I hold myself.
 

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Well, thanks I guess. Just try to be empirical, logical, and hold people to the same standard I hold myself.

Why would you guess a "thanks" to a clear compliment from a peer?
Funny. Strange. I'll accept your guessed thanks with a chuckle and hope you read the sincerity in my words.
 

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You are such a fascinating poster. I get what you're doing and how you go about it and honestly- I admire your work. In several ways: from player/team analysis to poster debating- you are unique.
My humble way of tipping my hat to a formidable poster.

Yes, zman and mattjames challenging Fuzzy to a debate is equivalent to me challenging LeBron to a 1 on 1 game of basketball (Fuzzy = LeBron in this scenario).
 

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Yes, zman and mattjames challenging Fuzzy to a debate is equivalent to me challenging LeBron to a 1 on 1 game of basketball (Fuzzy = LeBron in this scenario).

Lol. I look forward to your tape reviews once you get some camp footage when it gets underway.
 

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Apparently not.

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Why would you guess a "thanks" to a clear compliment from a peer?
Funny. Strange. I'll accept your guessed thanks with a chuckle and hope you read the sincerity in my words.

You haven't been trolled nor trolled as much as I have, mon frere. I'm assuming that you are earnest but I hedge my bets so to speak.

It's actually one thing I like least about the interwebs: anything can be substituted with "j/k," "I was trolling," or any other myriad of dissembling. I didn't make the web; I just post in it.
 

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You haven't been trolled nor trolled as much as I have, mon frere. I'm assuming that you are earnest but I hedge my bets so to speak.

It's actually one thing I like least about the interwebs: anything can be substituted with "j/k," "I was trolling," or any other myriad of dissembling. I didn't make the web; I just post in it.

No hard feelings. You my boy Blu.
 
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