Video: Joseph Randle's 2014 carries (All-22)

[theogt]

And that 40-speed isn't necessarily indicative of his speed over the first 10 yards.

Check out the run at 20:00 even. I'm not sure how it's even possible to get up to speed so quickly, even while being off balance. Just bizarre looking burst.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ah, forgot about him.

In the open field taking on pursuit Murray uses various moves and techniques to truck people. For all of that I don't really see him as a power guy who powers piles. He is only 220 lbs of thereabouts.

I think that Le'Veon Bell is another top back with more power. I think there are likely lots of other backs that can push piles better than what Murray can.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Thank you for compiling all of this for us!

 

[mattjames2010]

Negatives:

Unlike Murray, once a defender gets a hold of him, he goes down. Doesn't have the same lower body strength.

Which is an absolutely huge problem. We need to get a bruiser on this team. We relied on Murray's tough running far too much to not have that.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Which is an absolutely huge problem. We need to get a bruiser on this team. We relied on Murray's tough running far too much to not have that.

I don't see the need for a "bruiser". Many teams get "tough yards" without having a "bruiser". Emmitt got many tough yards without being a heavy weight. Tony Dorsett got many of them without being a heavy weight. Even today, I see guys like McCoy and Charles getting tough yards.

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't see the need for a "bruiser". Many teams get "tough yards" without having a "bruiser". Emmitt got many tough yards without being a heavy weight. Tony Dorsett got many of them without being a heavy weight. Even today, I see guys like McCoy and Charles getting tough yards.

So, we are bringing up two legendary players and two elite RBs in the league right now and equating it to what we have?

McCoy and Charles get by without power because they are skilled when it comes to being elusive, the same was with Smith. Do we have that on our team right now? McFadden? No. Randle? He seems to have a one-cut in him, but he goes down far too easily and is nowhere near elusive like the two backs you mentioned.

If we're going to go with a weakling like Randle, you better bring in a back with either big time speed or one that is powerful.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So, we are bringing up two legendary players and two elite RBs in the league right now and equating it to what we have?

McCoy and Charles get by without power because they are skilled when it comes to being elusive, the same was with Smith. Do we have that on our team right now? McFadden? No. Randle? He seems to have a one-cut in him, but he goes down far too easily and is nowhere near elusive like the two backs you mentioned.

If we're going to go with a weakling like Randle, you better bring in a back with either big time speed or one that is powerful.

Watch Justin Fossett's highlights for B-more or what Chris Johnson did for the Jets.

Randle is 6', 210 pounds. He's not exactly a dwarf.

 

[xwalker]

Yes, I really didn't understand why Dallas did that unless they really didn't trust the other backs very much. That would seem to fly in the face, though, of an offseason plan that includes letting Murray go and not bringing in a bona fide replacement.

I'm a fan of what Randle did with the few carries he was given. I'm not a fan of having the bulk of the running game depend on a player who got so few carries. We just have no idea how that will turn out.

Most of the media that hang around the team say that Murray played as many snaps as he wanted to play.

 

[Bluestang]

Thanks @itsaboat for the video.

Two things:

1. Randle ran against plenty of stacked boxes which dispels this notion that teams are going to defend us differently. DCs will still need to stack the box in order to stop the running game, our OL is too good to try an play us without the extra help.

2. Randle also got plenty of positive yardage, but once he hits the open field he has that extra gear to take it to the house. It don't matter who the RB is, along as they get positive yardage and keep the third down down and distance shorter it is going to produce an effective offense.

DMC and Murray are similar body builds, and if the FO sees them as the same player than they are putting the same type of running game they had last season. Its a gamble but this franchise is paying a tenth of what Murray is getting for the same odds they might get injured.


We'll find out who is getting the reps with the 1s soon enough in OTAs.

 

[Zman5]

Don't agree with this. he is pretty slippery breaking arm tackles at the LOS.

Yes Randle did break some arm takckles. Every back does. Even Dunbar can do that. But there were several plays where he was tackled or stopped easily by one guy Type of plays where Murray would have either bowl the guy over or just keep moving and get extra 4-5 yards.

 

[erod]

Like the way he protects the ball, too.

 

[erod]

Yes Randle did break some arm takckles. Every back does. Even Dunbar can do that. But there were several plays where he was tackled or stopped easily by one guy Type of plays where Murray would have either bowl the guy over or just keep moving and get extra 4-5 yards.

And there were several runs of Murray 's that Randle would have gone the distance, but Murray got 20 yards.

 

[Zman5]

And there were several runs of Murray 's that Randle would have gone the distance, but Murray got 20 yards.

Yeh, I said one of the Randle's positives was he gets to the extra gear quickly

What's your point?

 

[erod]

Yeh, I said one of the Randle's positives was he gets to the extra gear quickly

What's your point?

My point is, Murray left 300 yards on the field last year. Can't outrun anybody.

Plus, he gave away three games with fumbles.

 

[Zman5]

My point is, Murray left 300 yards on the field last year. Can't outrun anybody.

Plus, he gave away three games with fumbles.

What does that have to do with what I posted on Randle?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes Randle did break some arm takckles. Every back does. Even Dunbar can do that. But there were several plays where he was tackled or stopped easily by one guy Type of plays where Murray would have either bowl the guy over or just keep moving and get extra 4-5 yards.

So now Murray is the magical back that broke every tackle.

 

[mattjames2010]

Watch Justin Fossett's highlights for B-more or what Chris Johnson did for the Jets.

Randle is 6', 210 pounds. He's not exactly a dwarf.

Tall =/= strength. Randle's weak. And the point being here, we don't even have an RB on the roster like Chris Johnson. And yet again, people pointing out exceptions like a Justin Forsett story is the norm in the NFL.

 

[mattjames2010]

My point is, Murray left 300 yards on the field last year. Can't outrun anybody.

Plus, he gave away three games with fumbles.

Do you really want to get into the debate again about the averages of a back getting over 20+/40+ runs?

 

[Zman5]

So now Murray is the magical back that broke every tackle.

Where did I post Murray broke every tackle? So saying Murray broke tackles that Randle didn't in the video is now same as Murray breaks every tackle?

So if I post Dez caught passes that Williams dropped, it's same as Dez catches every pass thrown to him?


Overreact much?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where did I post Murray broke every tackle? So saying Murray broke tackles that Randle didn't in the video is now same as Murray breaks every tackle?

So if I post Dez caught passes that Williams dropped, it's same as Dez catches every pass thrown to him?


Overreact much?

That is at best conjecture. You are inserting unprovable hypothesis and pretending that it is valid. You aren't bringing up plays you are making a generalization. Sorry if I am uncertain where your estimation of Murray's infallibility ends.

Murray was the king of the business decision where he would go down rather than take a hit in traffic. He was great at trucking individuals, the stiff arm and such but I remember him going down and scooting out of bounds rather than get hit just the same. He did the hitting or went down.

I never took issue with it because he was on pace for 400 carries but Murray found creases and fell forward. He did not try to carry piles and take hits.