Video: Joseph Randle's 2014 carries (All-22)

[Zman5]

That is at best conjecture. You are inserting unprovable hypothesis and pretending that it is valid. You aren't bringing up plays you are making a generalization. Sorry if I am uncertain where your estimation of Murray's infallibility ends.

Murray was the king of the business decision where he would go down rather than take a hit in traffic. He was great at trucking individuals, the stiff arm and such but I remember him going down and scooting out of bounds rather than get hit just the same. He did the hitting or went down.

I never took issue with it because he was on pace for 400 carries but Murray found creases and fell forward. He did not try to carry piles and take hits.

Once again show me where I said Murray breaks every tackle? I'm waiting.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, we are bringing up two legendary players and two elite RBs in the league right now and equating it to what we have?

McCoy and Charles get by without power because they are skilled when it comes to being elusive, the same was with Smith. Do we have that on our team right now? McFadden? No. Randle? He seems to have a one-cut in him, but he goes down far too easily and is nowhere near elusive like the two backs you mentioned.

If we're going to go with a weakling like Randle, you better bring in a back with either big time speed or one that is powerful.

Sorry but Randle makes makes jump cuts, spins and jukes all over the field. If you want to talk about his size or lack of push then fine but to say he is not quick and elusive is blind.

And I have to say that Murray's power is dramatically overrated.



I see him go down on first contact. I see him get stood up at the goal line and have to extend his arms as opposed to power through. I repeatedly see him go down as opposed to taking hits. I see a guy that has decent power, good balance through contact, good quickness for moves in the open field, and decent speed to get the edge. What made Murray great is his all around game. He is easily the most complete back in the NFL but that is the extent of it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Once again show me where I said Murray breaks every tackle? I'm waiting.

Right after you show your proof that Murray would break any actual Randle run you care to bring up. Generalizations are what they are.

 

[CowboyMort]

A couple things that I noticed.

The O-line is good.
JR is shiftier that I thought
He is pretty quick
I counted 9 plays for 16 yards running behind the fullback I think 3 or 4 were garbage time runs against the Skins
He looked like a different player than his rookie season
The two fumbles worry me
Awesome video. Thanks for putting it together.
Did I mention the O-line is good?

 

[Zman5]

Right after you show your proof that Murray would break any actual Randle run you care to bring up. Generalizations are what they are.

As I said before, over react much? How do you go from Randle got easily tackled on some plays that Murray would have not to Murray can break every tackle?

That's like someone saying Randle has more breakaway speed than Murray so they must be saying Randle is some magical RB that can take every carry to the house.

Learn to read and stop making stuff up about what I posted.

You are ridiculous.

 

[mattjames2010]

Sorry but Randle makes makes jump cuts, spins and jukes all over the field. If you want to talk about his size or lack of push then fine but to say he is not quick and elusive is blind.

And I have to say that Murray's power is dramatically overrated.



I see him go down on first contact. I see him get stood up at the goal line and have to extend his arms as opposed to power through. I repeatedly see him go down as opposed to taking hits. I see a guy that has decent power, good balance through contact, good quickness for moves in the open field, and decent speed to get the edge. What made Murray great is his all around game. He is easily the most complete back in the NFL but that is the extent of it.

Marshawn Lynch also goes down on first contact at times. Jesus Christ, your arguments are pathetic at times to defend these scrubs. "I repeatedly see him go down" - exaggeration to try and win an argument. I just watched the video, while he goes down on first contact, repeatedly? Stop. Murray had over 50 broken tackles last season, which is still high for the amount of carries in the league. Is he the most physical back in the league? No, so before you go to extremes once again and start comparing his numbers to the unbelievable 88 broken tackles by Lynch, no one is saying his. The guy breaks tackles, he punishes defenders often.

I've already said Randle has a nice cut move, but these "jukes and spins", his spins are pathetic and ineffective. And no, he's not elusive and he's not strong. He has a nice initial burst through a hole and has nice straight line speed. This is the definition of a backup RB, he is nothing special in anything you'd want an RB to be great in.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Marshawn Lynch also goes down on first contact at times. Jesus Christ, your arguments are pathetic at times to defend these scrubs. "I repeatedly see him go down" - exaggeration to try and win an argument. I just watched the video, while he goes down on first contact, repeatedly? Stop. Murray had over 50 broken tackles last season, which is still high for the amount of carries in the league. Is he the most physical back in the league? No, so before you go to extremes once again and start comparing his numbers to the unbelievable 88 broken tackles by Lynch, no one is saying his. The guy breaks tackles, he punishes defenders often.

I've already said Randle has a nice cut move, but these "jukes and spins", his spins are pathetic and ineffective. And no, he's not elusive and he's not strong. He has a nice initial burst through a hole and has nice straight line speed. This is the definition of a backup RB, he is nothing special in anything you'd want an RB to be great in.

Those jukes and spin moves found the end zone repeatedly. It is what it is.

You once again are going to PFF and using stat lines you aren't even linking to do your thinking for you. You haven't even begun to compare efficiency so all of your bleating is for naught. You don't get to just assert things and we're supposed to assume you are correct. Showing that Lynch got a lot more on less carries doesn't help your argument.

You can see him go down to avoid contact multiple times on the highlight film, chachi. That is not exaggeration. Doing something more than once is to repeat something. Learn the meanings of words.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As I said before, over react much? How do you go from Randle got easily tackled on some plays that Murray would have not to Murray can break every tackle?

That's like someone saying Randle has more breakaway speed than Murray so they must be saying Randle is some magical RB that can take every carry to the house.

Learn to read and stop making stuff up about what I posted.

You are ridiculous.

Again you are asserting the unproven and unprovable hypothetical that Murray can break the tackles that Radle didn't. You did say this for all of your umbrage over my uncertainty as to how far your wishful thinking goes.

 

[mattjames2010]

Those jukes and spin moves found the end zone repeatedly. It is what it is.

You once again are going to PFF and using stat lines you aren't even linking to do your thinking for you. You haven't even begun to compare efficiency so all of your bleating is for naught. You don't get to just assert things and we're supposed to assume you are correct. Showing that Lynch got a lot more on less carries doesn't help your argument.

You can see him go down to avoid contact multiple times on the highlight film, chachi. That is not exaggeration. Doing something more than once is to repeat something. Learn the meanings of words.

Haha, this is cute. "You're going by PFF" - This is by PFF and Football Outsiders, both have him listed ABOVE 50 broken tackles. Your argument has been dismantled, close up shop and go home, Fuzzy. Or is there where I'm going to have to show you how to use google search, show you how to click on the link, help you browse through sites to find the stats just so you don't use the cop out again in the future?

AND AGAIN, you are going to the absolute extremes here. It's the same as the other thread where someone pointed out AP's unbelievable amount of 20+ yard runs in a single season back in 2012 and using that as the set that all RBs need to reach.

Lynch had 88 broken tackles on less carries, which is unbelievable! That is a MAJOR positive for him, NOT a negative for other players. The year before that? Lynch had over 300 carries and was in the 50 broken tackles range. He is considered the most physical RB in the league.

But hey, we must go by your well-trained eye while observing a highlight video over statistics. You refuse to believe statistics because they don't support your poor rebuttals

Discussion over. NEXT!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Haha, this is cute. "You're going by PFF" - This is by PFF and Football Outsiders, both have him listed ABOVE 50 broken tackles. Your argument has been dismantled, close up shop and go home, Fuzzy. Or is there where I'm going to have to show you how to use google search, show you how to click on the link, help you browse through sites to find the stats just so you don't use the cop out again in the future?

AND AGAIN, you are going to the absolute extremes here. It's the same as the other thread where someone pointed out AP's unbelievable amount of 20+ yard runs in a single season back in 2012 and using that as the set that all RBs need to reach.

Lynch had 88 broken tackles on less carries, which is unbelievable! That is a MAJOR positive for him, NOT a negative for other players. The year before that? Lynch had over 300 carries and was in the 50 broken tackles range. He is considered the most physical RB in the league.

Discussion over. NEXT!

I say you are using PFF stats and little more. You admit that to be the case and then posture that my argument is dismantled. That is pretty ignorant and wishful thinking on your part.

I am supposed to google and prove your arguments again? Link the stats don't claim them and then demand someone else prove it. What you are doing is both intellectually lazy and dishonest. Now you are making claims about what the league thinks of him. I suppose I should google that too?

I said repeatedly and defined it. You don't argue that. That is not extreme but fact. Deal with it.

 

[mattjames2010]

I say you are using PFF stats and little more. You admit that to be the case and then posture that my argument is dismantled. That is pretty ignorant and wishful thinking on your part.

I am supposed to google and prove your arguments again? Link the stats don't claim them and then demand someone else prove it. What you are doing is both intellectually lazy and dishonest. Now you are making claims about what the league thinks of him. I suppose I should google that too?

I said repeatedly and defined it. You don't argue that. That is not extreme but fact. Deal with it.

Haha, I give you statistics from two respected sites and you get your opinion from a highlight video.

I'm beginning to understand why you think this group of RBs we have now will all be the second coming of Barry Sanders.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Haha, I give you statistics from two respected sites and you get your opinion from a highlight video.

I'm beginning to understand why you think this group of RBs we have now will all be the second coming of Barry Sanders.

Murray on a highlight video avoiding contact repeatedly is what it is.

Your word isn't enough, chachi. You made claims as to what those sites say. What do link mean? Intellectually lazy and dishonest to have other support your arguments for you.

50 broken tackles on 392 carries isn't very compelling on its own anyway thus my comments on Lynch having 70% more on 110 fewer carries. What do context mean?

And you just went and cried about me being extreme and then you make that ignorant strawman of Sanders. Nevermind that I say Murray has decent power, good quickness and balance etc. EXTREME!! OUTRAGE! LOUD NOISES!

 

[mattjames2010]

Murray on a highlight video avoiding contact repeatedly is what it is.

Your word isn't enough, chachi. You made claims as to what those sites say. What do link mean? Intellectually lazy and dishonest to have other support your arguments for you.

50 broken tackles on 392 carries isn't very compelling on its own anyway thus my comments on Lynch having 70% more on 110 fewer carries. What do context mean?

And you just went and cried about me being extreme and then you make that ignorant strawman of Sanders. Nevermind that I say Murray has decent power, good quickness and balance etc. EXTREME!! OUTRAGE! LOUD NOISES!

BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THESE STATS COME FROM! Haha, where do you think people get the stats from? Broken tackles aren't on NFL.com, Fuzzy. They come from sites that dig deeper; two popular sites: PFF and Football Outsiders, both have him listed breaking over 50 tackles when rushing. And there you go, you're going with Marshawn Lynch and downplaying Murray's stats. You are going by the most physical RB in the league who, even by his standards, exceeded expectations in that department. Not only was Lynch great with broken tackles, he was also great with missed tackles. He just had a phenomenal year, this is NOT a knock on ANY RB, this is praise for Lynch and the year he had.

This is like saying Peterson's 29 20+ yard runs in 2012 is the average EVERY RB should have, or should at least come close to. That is the highest since we started recording the stats back in 96.

You have done absolutely no research on this, and then you post a highlight video thinking that is great evidence? Even when that small sample size shows Murray breaking tackles? Don't waste my time, Fuzzy. NEXT!

 

[windjc]

BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THESE STATS COME FROM! Haha, where do you think people get the stats from? Broken tackles aren't on NFL.com, Fuzzy. They come from sites that dig deeper; two popular sites: PFF and Football Outsiders, both have him listed breaking over 50 tackles when rushing. And there you go, you're going with Marshawn Lynch and downplaying Murray's stats. You are going by the most physical RB in the league who, even by his standards, exceeded expectations in that department. Not only was Lynch great with broken tackles, he was also great with missed tackles. He just had a phenomenal year, this is NOT a knock on ANY RB, this is praise for Lynch and the year he had.

This is like saying Peterson's 29 20+ yard runs in 2012 is the average EVERY RB should have, or should at least come close to. That is the highest since we started recording the stats back in 96.

You have done absolutely no research on this, and then you post a highlight video thinking that is great evidence? Even when that small sample size shows Murray breaking tackles? Don't waste my time, Fuzzy. NEXT!

Wheres the stats that show that Murray is heads and shoulders better than Randle at breaking tackles? I haven't seen it.

I did see stats showing how Murray had a significant drop in broken tackles the latter part of the season.

 

[mattjames2010]

Wheres the stats that show that Murray is heads and shoulders better than Randle at breaking tackles? I haven't seen it.

I did see stats showing how Murray had a significant drop in broken tackles the latter part of the season.

From what I remember, Randle had six broken tackles (Two came on that Jags run), and Dunbar had one. It would ice to see where these other broken tackles took place, early in the game or after Murray wore down the defense?

As for Murray's drop off, it's no secret that his hand injury did affect his play.

 

[windjc]

From what I remember, Randle had six broken tackles (Two came on that Jags run), and Dunbar had one. It would ice to see where these other broken tackles took place, early in the game or after Murray wore down the defense?

As for Murray's drop off, it's no secret that his hand injury did affect his play.

You think it was the hand injury only? He looked slower to me, especially his initial burst (my favorite part of this game) as the season wore on.

 

[mattjames2010]

You think it was the hand injury only? He looked slower to me, especially his initial burst (my favorite part of this game) as the season wore on.

I think despite looking slower in the final month and a half of the season, he was still producing well before the hand injury. His worst games came against Philly the second time (When he injured his hand,I believe) and then the Colts the following week. He didn't do well against Philly the first time around either, but our entire team looked out of it.

But did he look slower? Yeah, I think the workload started to get to him. But he still had a really damn good performance against Chicago.

 

[Zman5]

Again you are asserting the unproven and unprovable hypothetical that Murray can break the tackles that Radle didn't. You did say this for all of your umbrage over my uncertainty as to how far your wishful thinking goes.

So me saying that about Randle equates to "Murray is a RB that can not be tackled" in your mind?

OK. As I said, the way you jump to these conclusions are utterly ridiculous.

If you want to say my points are unproven, so is the comment you made about Leveon Bell having more power and other backs you think who can move the pile better than Murray.

So if I follow your way of thinking , you said Leveon Bell is a magical back who can't be tackled by anyone.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Tall =/= strength. Randle's weak. And the point being here, we don't even have an RB on the roster like Chris Johnson. And yet again, people pointing out exceptions like a Justin Forsett story is the norm in the NFL.

At this point let's see what the kid can and can't do before we make judgments.

 

[TheCount]

Why are people still bringing up Murray? He's not on the team.

As to the video, I like what I saw as well. He's got good zone running skills, even if he's not a special talent. I'm perfectly okay with rolling with the RB's we have now.