Video: MiamiCowboy21 drops some truth! - 8/14/09

[DaBoys4Life]

Every DE we draft has to be at least Marcus Spears. Forget the fact that for 2 years we've had fans calling for Hatcher to replace Spears, now Hatcher is questionable depth.

The whole tack of that argument is laughable at best.

That's because hatcher had shown flashes for us to get excited about but that's all he is flash and then nothing then flash then nothing then nothing and then nothing.

 

[Dodger12]

That is why sometimes i love the down years, just get rid of the bandwagons, the "I can draft" better nit pickers and just stick to good wholesome fans. maybe a little on the optimistic side, but when life is bad, its good to have something to dream upon.

Some of the fans you refer to as "bandwagoners" have been around a long time and have lived through the down years which is why they're so vocal. That doesn't mean that they are less passionate or love their team any less than you because you'd rather waive the pom poms.

 

[Dodger12]

Very accurate.

We've all got our opinions.

The place would be pretty boring if we didn't.

Exactly.......

 

[Idgit]

That's too bad. I'm going to continue to call it the way i see it.

It's your right to see and post about the down-side of a process that affects every team for the same reasons. Make as many posts as you like about how a process that's fraught with risk ends in failure for a lot of selections. Just don't expect that complaining about the obvious means you're adding unique insight to the forum.

I'd never knock another Cowboys fan affiliation just because I don't value their opinion on a particular topic.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's actually pretty amusing when short tempered, misinformed fans go off the deep end because the second string, third string, and soon to be street free agents on a team didn't play well in the first preseason game of the year.

It should probably be some sort of litmus test for dumb fans, because otherwise they blend in with the guys who know what they're watching. They are easy to spot after a preseason loss though. The camouflage comes right off.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

If a Cowboys draft pick doesn't help the Cowboys, then it's a failure, whether he goes on to help the Lions or whoever. The point of drafting a player is to improve your team, not the NFL. If that player fails to do that, it's a failure.

Alot of words in this thread but found this golden nugget.

 

[couchscout]

Personally, my favorite thing about this whole thread is the constant back tracking and point changing by Mr. Fanatic. It cracks me up, he posts a video that is all about two "bad" drafts, which is arguable to start with, but when his whole theory is blown to bits by people like Tomson and Hostile, his whole point changes to "well, we haven't won a superbowl"

Sorry Mr. Fanatic, like Hostile had to say several times, that just doesn't fly with me. Which is it? Did we have "bad" drafts, or are you just mad that we haven't won a playoff game in "172" years? Let me assure you that the two have very very little to do with each other. The Boys have drafted as well or better than just about any team in the league over the last 5 years. Go back and look at the past few New England drafts, it read like a whos who of garbage football players. They're winning playoff games consistently.

It also cracks me up that your original point had to do with those two drafts being directly responsible to our lack of depth, yet Watkins, Ball, Brown, Free, and Carpenter are all solid back ups for this team. Go back and look at lots of other teams drafts, its pretty rare that a team keeps that many draft picks from one draft even past thier first year, let alone two, or three. Thats not to mention your assessment of Spencer being so premature its mind boggling, or given all the kicker issues we've had for years, your complete regard for the impact that Folk has had.

 

[Mansta54]

Personally, my favorite thing about this whole thread is the constant back tracking and point changing by Mr. Fanatic. It cracks me up, he posts a video that is all about two "bad" drafts, which is arguable to start with, but when his whole theory is blown to bits by people like Tomson and Hostile, his whole point changes to "well, we haven't won a superbowl"

Sorry Mr. Fanatic, like Hostile had to say several times, that just doesn't fly with me. Which is it? Did we have "bad" drafts, or are you just mad that we haven't won a playoff game in "172" years? Let me assure you that the two have very very little to do with each other. The Boys have drafted as well or better than just about any team in the league over the last 5 years. Go back and look at the past few New England drafts, it read like a whos who of garbage football players. They're winning playoff games consistently.

It also cracks me up that your original point had to do with those two drafts being directly responsible to our lack of depth, yet Watkins, Ball, Brown, Free, and Carpenter are all solid back ups for this team. Go back and look at lots of other teams drafts, its pretty rare that a team keeps that many draft picks from one draft even past thier first year, let alone two, or three. Thats not to mention your assessment of Spencer being so premature its mind boggling, or given all the kicker issues we've had for years, your complete regard for the impact that Folk has had.

 

[Hostile]

That's because hatcher had shown flashes for us to get excited about but that's all he is flash and then nothing then flash then nothing then nothing and then nothing.

LMAO

You didn't even read what I said beyond the name Marcus Spears did you?

 

[Hostile]

I had a quick look at the Ravens 2006 and 2007 drafts as they were one of the teams quoted. I didn't have the time to do any more. All quoted positions are from the Ravens Depth chart on their website. Any mistakes will be my bad eyesight.

2007 - Baltimore Ravens
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Ben Grubbs G Auburn - starting LG
3 74 Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State - 4th team LWR
3 86 Marshal Yanda T Iowa - 2nd team RG
4 134 Antwan Barnes LB Florida International - 2nd team LOLB
4 137 Le'Ron McClain FB Alabama - starting FB
5 174 Troy Smith QB Ohio State 2nd team QB
6 207 Prescott Burgess LB Michigan - 3rd team LOLB
Jared Gaither T Maryland - starting LT

2006 - Baltimore Ravens
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 12 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon - starting DT
2 56 Chris Chester C Oklahoma - not on the team
3 87 David Pittman DB Northwestern State-Louisiana - not on the team
4 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon - 2nd team RWR
4 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech - not on the team
5 146 Dawan Landry SS Georgia Tech - starting SS
5 166 Quinn Sypniewski TE Colorado - not on the team
6 203 Sam Koch P Nebraska - starting punter
6 208 Derrick Martin CB Wyoming - 3rd team SS
7 219 Ryan LaCasse LB Syracuse - not on the team

5 busts eh?

Out of curiosity, when did 3rd team players equal Super Bowls? Oh yeah, I forgot, we're only as good as our backups.

I guess this means these guys would take Derrick Martin over Patrick Watkins if we kept 3 SSs? I couldn't even tell you who our 3rd string LOLB is. Justin Rogers?

Stellar drafting. Far superior to our pathetic scouting department I suppose.

 

[Hostile]

Pointing out a team's mistakes dosen't make you any lesser of a fan.

I just want to point out that I haven't called anyone a lesser fan. It seems that any time I disagree with someone's take they get real nervous about my opinion being added.

53 roster spots. 42 are occupied by draft picks or UDFAs.

Irrefutable.

Concerns about the lack of depth. Entirely based on premature opinion.

Irrefutable.

Sorry to be blunt enough to deign to point it out.

 

[dcfanatic]

No, that is the point you want seen, to the point that you would resort to insulting me rather than manning up and acknowledging a point has been made to refute your claims. Please don't tell me there was no intent to insult, because I'm not stupid.

You weren't calling me "Mr. Jones" as a compliment. You weren't accusing me of building a team who hasn't "won a damn thing" as a compliment. You weren't taking a slap at someone else who got the point by saying we love a team with "no playoff wins" as a compliment. So don't go there.

No, what you did was set up a strawman and try to get back the point you want on the debate. It doesn't work with me. It's never going to work with me. Suddenly the whole point is 2006 and 2007? Wrong, the whole point is a roster of 53 men, and the bottom line is 42 of 53 roster spots on this team are either Draft picks or UDFAs.

So you want me to focus on 2006 & 2007 huh? I can do that. Contrary to ridiculous Madden and Fantasy Football era beliefs one does not have to be a starter to be worth something to an NFL team. That has never been the case and it is never going to fly in a discussion with me. Let's make sure to focus on what I originally said. The players on this team could make another NFL team. Remember that point? It is important that it not slip from your mind. It means that they have NFL talent if they are making NFL teams. Didn't want that point to do a fly by.

Bobby Carpenter. Still on the team. Going to make this team despite the sheer numbers of panties that will bunch up. Would make another team if let go.

Anthony Fasano. Was traded when the team began to focus on Martellus Bennett. Used the Draft pick from that trade to take Tashard Choice. Fasano is a starting TE for another team. Would make another team if let go.

Jason Hatcher. Still on the team. Going to make the team barring injury. Was the Draft day focus of Bill Belicheck and the Patriots and he called Parcells to rip him for taking his guy. We all know Belicheck doesn't know a damn thing about football or talent right? Please. Would make another team if let go.

Pat Watkins. Let's not forget that the average life of an NFL player is 4 years. Watkins has made 3 and contributed on Special Teams and started before being injured. Had this team not Drafted 2 Safeties he probably makes this team again. So a Draft pick is being pushed aside by a younger Draft pick. Funny how that works just like I claimed and you ignored. I don't know what will happen if he is let go. I suspect he will get picked up.

Pat McQuistan. Still on the team. Took the place of another Draft pick. Going to make the team most likely. Played extensively the other night. No penalties. Solid but not spectacular. Would make another team if let go.

Hmm. Five of the eight drafted are still on NFL teams. I wonder what this statistic looks like for the other 31 NFL teams from 2006? I might just have to do a little research and really shoot holes in this crap. No time right now though. I have to move on to 2007.

Anthony Spencer. He's a starter. Oh I forgot, the book is still out on him. I should just accept your diagnosis and move on. Nah. Not going to do that. Not only is he a starter he took the place of another Draft pick to become the starter. Would make another team if let go.

James Marten. Made the Raiders after we let him go.

Isaiah Stanback. Probably along with Carpenter the real focus of this tantrum. Still on the team. At this point I think is going to make this team. Would be picked up if let go.

Doug Free. Still on the team. Is going to make this team. Would be picked up if let go. I know everyone thinks he should just take Flo's spot immediately but I think that's rather laughable. 5 time Pro Bowlers aren't just pushed aside because fans want the newest Draft picks to do it.

Nick Folk. Only the most accurate Kicker we've ever had. I still hate the pick even though he's from Arizona, but I have a sickness. Would make another team if let go.

Deon Anderson. Still on the team. He plays a fading position. But he would probably make another squad if let go for any reason other than health. Contributes on Special Teams too.

Courtney Brown. I realize he looked bad the other night and part of this is probably over reaction to that. Still on the team at this point. Likely to make the team as the 5th CB. If he doesn't it is because they move Ball back to CB. Either way one of them is making this team.

Alan Ball. Still on the team but job in jeopardy because we drafted 2 safeties. If let go probably lands with another team.

Whoa, eight of eight are still on NFL rosters. Wonder how many teams have that kind of stat from 2007? I may just have to look it up later if this whine fest continues.

I wonder how many UDFAs we have from those 2 years on this team? Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, Stephen Bowen from 2006 and Cory Procter from 2007. 4 of the 8.


My diagnosis? Once again we have premature evaluation in Cowboys land.

Oh yeah, one more thing when this team does win in the post season finally and some of these guys are still on the team, flush your whole straw man argument. Or save time and do it now. Your call on that.

Panties in a bunch and didn't name one impact player in the lot.

:laugh2:

 

[dcfanatic]

That was wasn't "truth", that was a profanity-laced tantrum.

The 2006 draft wasn't very good. Wow, really? Great insight there.

One **** and it's labeled profanity laced, lol.



And he named two drafts. But keep on being a homer.

 

[Hostile]

Panties in a bunch and didn't name one impact player in the lot.

:laugh2:

That is your opinion and I hate to tell you, your opinions don't mean facts.

Folk is an impact player.

Solid players impact a football team. You'd know that if you played. There are several solid players from those 2 years.

You've got nothing.

 

[dcfanatic]

He brought a fly swatter to a gunfight and expected me to turn tail and run.

You proved nada.

The two drafts sucked now and they are going to suck in three years.

The Jerry is the best GM schtick from you is so tired.

And he's making you sound crazy along with him. The team hasn't had any success in 13 years and you talk like the man just handed you a Lombardi Trophy.

Build a team. Who gives crap about building a team if they don't win anything.

 

[dcfanatic]

That is your opinion and I hate to tell you, your opinions don't mean facts.

Folk is an impact player.

Solid players impact a football team. You'd know that if you played. There are several solid players from those 2 years.

You've got nothing.

Hostile just said a kicker is the biggest impact player from the 2006 and 2007 drafts. And this is a good thing?

:laugh2:

You are being a homer.

And he goes to his 'if you played' BS.

Sorry Jim Brown. We can't all be Hall of Famers like you.

:laugh2:

 

[Mansta54]

That is your opinion and I hate to tell you, your opinions don't mean facts.

Folk is an impact player.

Solid players impact a football team. You'd know that if you played. There are several solid players from those 2 years.

You've got nothing.

This carries so much weight. A lot of fans have never played organized football and really are clueless when it comes to the actual game. When I read posts of fans freaking out over traing camp or depth, its clear they don't have a full concept of the game or how a team is made up. They act as if our backups will have to play games as a unit by themselves. Unbelievable!!!!!

 

[Mansta54]

Hostile just said a kicker is the biggest impact player from the 2006 and 2007 drafts. And this is a good thing?

:laugh2:

You are being a homer.

And he goes to his 'if you played' BS.

Sorry Jim Brown. We can't all be Hall of Famers like you.

:laugh2:

Or a OWNER, GM, and COACH like you...

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Why don't Hos and DC go at it like this on his radio show? It would be alot more entertaining then having to read it all.

 

[Hostile]

You proved nada.

The two drafts sucked now and they are going to suck in three years.

The Jerry is the best GM schtick from you is so tired.

And he's making you sound crazy along with him. The team hasn't had any success in 13 years and you talk like the man just handed you a Lombardi Trophy.

Build a team. Who gives crap about building a team if they don't win anything.

That's funny. I challenge you to show me one post in my 71,000+ worth of evidence where I have ever said Jerry Jones is the best GM in the NFL.

I'll bet you 3 kicks in the nuts you can't do it.

You taking the bet, showing a yellow streak up your back, or eating crow?

I'll even make the bet more interesting. You can wear steel toed boots if you can prove I have said that or think that.

I expect more spin control and lame smilies. You've got nothing and everyone knows it. You're just proving it more with every post.