Video: MiamiCowboy21 drops some truth! - 8/14/09

[Hoofbite]

Really.

Now we are such a homer we are talking 'if's' and more 'if's' about some run to the Super Bowl.

You should have brought up the Crayton drop. That pass to Terry Glenn never got near him either.

From above:

I could care less. Just pointing out that he might want to keep it in check if he wants his threads to stay around.

 

[dcfanatic]

That Loser mentality is getting real old around here. To many times I have made it clear where I stand and people disagree and are ok with being a loser or not making the playoffs. I'm not ok with Nice stats and fancy plays with nothing to show for. Get Some Wins when it matters, get some accountability and get the Team turned in the right direction. END OF STORY! If you are ok with mediocre results go follow the Lions. We are the freaking COWBOYS. Get it done ******.

Half of them don't even care about the topic.

I don't see anyone in here proving that those two drafts were anything more than a big fat 'F'.

 

[dcfanatic]

would've, could've and should've, why are you trying to make a point about the past? The object right now is to work with what we have and get 53 players to take us forward into this next season.

Uhh, cause it's relative to the depth on the roster now.

???

 

[UnoDallas]

would've, could've and should've, why are you trying to make a point about the past? The object right now is to work with what we have and get 53 players to take us forward into this next season.

well hell that was the big Bill Parcells draft in 06 - everybody knows he can't draft OL

and to early to tell about 07 draft

so what he tell us that we don't already know????????????????????

tell me that ?

dumb post IMO

 

[Idgit]

Half of them don't even care about the topic.

I don't see anyone in here proving that those two drafts were anything more than a big fat 'F'.

They're discussing around the point that some drafts aren't as good as others because it's obvious and not worth of much debate.

For 07, though, I'd say getting a probowl STer, a starting OLB and FB, your 3 OT, and 4 CB merits a lot better than an F. I don't see how you can drop much truth on that.

 

[dcfanatic]

Loser mentality? You are picking and choosing drafts to try and make the team and organization look bad. All you ever do is ***** and moan and deign to call me a loser?

When it comes to the 2006, I say its coming due for them to show something. You say they suck.

When it comes to the 2007 draft, I say it far to early to say anything definitive either way on these guys. You say we suck.

You're a quitter. You give up and then complain all day long. THAT is a losers mentality.

LOL.

I'm not MiamiCowboy.

And he picked those drafts because they are relevant to the depth on the roster now.

Should we pick a draft from the 80's?

I never give up.

And I never sit around saying everything is all good either.

Especially now when this team hasn't won a playoff game in 172 years.

I loved the first team offense for coming back on that second drive. I have been praising Wade for this camp so far. I loved the offseason restructuring.

You just seem to want to remember to chime in and post towards me when I am concerned about something.

I think it's personal. Maybe we should break up. I think I need some time to figure things out.

I have love for you Fuzzy. But I am not in love with you anymore.

:laugh2:

 

[dcfanatic]

God. We're one of the most talented teams in the league, across the board. That's where we are.

It makes as much sense to drop some truth on the 06, 07 drafts as it does spending time praising the 05, 08 drafts. At the end of the day, if your team wins games and the players you draft make your roster more than the players other teams draft make their rosters, then you're doing well.

There are so many reasons why the Dallas Cowboys haven't put it all together yet with the current crop of players. A problem with the group we've got selecting players these days is not one of them.

:bang2:

Thanks Jerry. Thanks Wade.

See you guys at the Super Bowl.

:laugh2:

 

[Idgit]

:bang2:

Thanks Jerry. Thanks Wade.

See you guys at the Super Bowl.

:laugh2:

Unfortunately for Jerry and Wade, it takes more than talent to get to a Superbowl. I would have thought this was obvious, but apparently it needs to be said for the record.

 

[dcfanatic]

They're discussing around the point that some drafts aren't as good as others because it's obvious and not worth of much debate.

For 07, though, I'd say getting a probowl STer, a starting OLB and FB, your 3 OT, and 4 CB merits a lot better than an F. I don't see how you can drop much truth on that.

The FB is so good he's gettin phased out of the offense.

The kicker is so good we had to draft another kicker to kickoff.

The starting OLB is so good (and healthy) we kept Ellis around an extra year and drafted two more OLB's this season just in case he can't get to the QB.

The third team OT is so good we spent our 2nd third rounder on Robert Brewster this season. And he has not a chance in hell of pushing Flo for that LT job now nor has he ever.

And the two CB's we took in the seventh round have not even found a position yet. We moved one to S for two years. The other we kept at CB for two years but now he's moving to Safety. LOL.

So to say it's 'a lot better than an F' is absolutely insane.

Give me you grade.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Agreed with needing a rating on the content of the audio. I just pulled it off of another site for language content.

 

[dcfanatic]

Unfortunately for Jerry and Wade, it takes more than talent to get to a Superbowl. I would have thought this was obvious, but apparently it needs to be said for the record.

So is this team is so talented then you are also including the excellent depth we have right? You should because those players are part of the team too.

 

[dcfanatic]

Agreed with needing a rating on the content of the audio. I just pulled it off of another site for language content.

What site?

 

[Idgit]

The FB is so good he's gettin phased out of the offense.

The kicker is so good we had to draft another kicker to kickoff.

The starting OLB is so good (and healthy) we kept Ellis around an extra year and drafted two more OLB's this season just in case he can't get to the QB.

The third team OT is so good we spent our 2nd third rounder on Robert Brewster this season. And he has not a chance in hell of pushing Flo for that LT job now nor has he ever.

And the two CB's we took in the seventh round have not even found a position yet. We moved one to S for two years. The other we kept at CB for two years but now he's moving to Safety. LOL.

So to say it's 'a lot better than an F' is absolutely insane.

Give me you grade.

My grade is it's still too early. But it's shaping up to be a C.
To your other points,

The FB is getting phased out b/c we did such a good job drafting a 2nd TE, but he's still the #1 FB and he still came from that draft.

The probowl kicker is so good....I'm not going to defend Nick Folk regardless what your opinion of him is.

We didn't keep Ellis an extra year, we dumped him when we expected to dump is contract when it was written. The rookies OLBs are depth because you kinda-sorta need that to run a 3-4.

Brewster wasn't drafted to replace Flozell, so I don't know what you're getting at there. You're wrong if you think Free isn't being groomed as an option at starting LT.

And Allan Ball is considered our 4th best CB. It just so happens that he's considered more valuable at S. It's not clear to me how the fact that he's versatile is a negative in your mind, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

As to the draft grade, it doesn't have to be a whole lot better than an F. The challenge you laid down was proving it's 'anything more than a big fat F,' and that's already pretty clearly been done.

 

[Idgit]

So is this team is so talented then you are also including the excellent depth we have right? You should because those players are part of the team too.

I am, relative to the depth of other teams, of course.

The problems we have in Dallas--and I've been saying it all off-season--have been turnovers, penalties, mental errors, to a lesser extent issues with offensive and defensive coordination, short yardage running game and, and here's where your point finally has some relevance, OL depth.

 

[dcfanatic]

My grade is it's still too early. But it's shaping up to be a C.
To your other points,

The FB is getting phased out b/c we did such a good job drafting a 2nd TE, but he's still the #1 FB and he still came from that draft.

The probowl kicker is so good....I'm not going to defend Nick Folk regardless what your opinion of him is.

We didn't keep Ellis an extra year, we dumped him when we expected to dump is contract when it was written. The rookies OLBs are depth because you kinda-sorta need that to run a 3-4.

Brewster wasn't drafted to replace Flozell, so I don't know what you're getting at there. You're wrong if you think Free isn't being groomed as an option at starting LT.

And Allan Ball is considered our 4th best CB. It just so happens that he's considered more valuable at S. It's not clear to me how the fact that he's versatile is a negative in your mind, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

As to the draft grade, it doesn't have to be a whole lot better than an F. The challenge you laid down was proving it's 'anything more than a big fat F,' and that's already pretty clearly been done.

So the impact player we got from the 2007 draft was Nick 'I can't kickoff' Folk.

You are satisfied. I'm not.

We move on.

 

[Idgit]

So the impact player we got from the 2007 draft was Nick 'I can't kickoff' Folk.

You are satisfied. I'm not.

We move on.

Wait. Let's not move on until we decide that it's been proven that at least one of those two drafts wasn't a big fat 'F' and that maybe MiamiCowboy didn't drop as much truth as we all thought he did at first.

Can a draft that's 'a big fat F' have *any* impact players? I don't really think it can. How many starters is it supposed to have before it can no longer be considered an 'F'? More or less than two? How many contributors from later rounds? Are you so sure Spencer's a bust that you're not willing to wait and see? Aren't you the one saying in the 'message for Wade' thread that most players get better with time when you were debating the development of Bradie James?

 

[SaltwaterServr]

What site?

It was linked in a thread on the DC.com forums.

 

[dcfanatic]

Wait. Let's not move on until we decide that it's been proven that at least one of those two drafts wasn't a big fat 'F' and that maybe MiamiCowboy didn't drop as much truth as we all thought he did at first.

Can a draft that's 'a big fat F' have *any* impact players? I don't really think it can. How many starters is it supposed to have before it can no longer be considered an 'F'? More or less than two? How many contributors from later rounds? Are you so sure Spencer's a bust that you're not willing to wait and see? Aren't you the one saying in the 'message for Wade' thread that most players get better with time when you were debating the development of Bradie James?

Sucking two years in a row makes the grade an F.

And even if Spencer becomes a solid player, which he will, and Free become a solid backup and never a starter, which is where I think it's headed, then that draft is only getting a C+.

You should be getting at least one impact player from a draft.

And if Folk is that guy then it's a fail.

I am not ignoring that we don't even have James Marten anymore, Isaiah Stanback is on his way out (both were drafted ahead of Free by the way) and both Ball and Brown are never going to start any either CB or S.

So the max is a C+ and that isn't a lot better than 'F' in my book.

An 'A' would be.

 

[Hostile]

The point is that we got jack from those two drafts.

There is no refuting that.

And his point is that this the reason we have crappy depth now is because more than 2 of those players should be coming into their 3rd and 4th seasons and fighting for starting jobs.

And the only guy from those drafts who is a proven starter is Folk. We can hope about Spencer but he's a work in progress.

We understand how the teams are built. But anyone can build a team.

But if the team stinks then we should be talking about the poor job done in building it.

I think we all know we hit on some draft picks in late rounds over the years. We also hit on some FA's as well. But we all know we would have liked more from the 2006 and 2007 draft and because they stunk we are now where we are.

You know damn well Hos you didn't like hearing those names read and not hearing one name in there who has already 'wowed' you with what he's done for this team so far. It just sucks, plain and simple.

No, that is the point you want seen, to the point that you would resort to insulting me rather than manning up and acknowledging a point has been made to refute your claims. Please don't tell me there was no intent to insult, because I'm not stupid.

You weren't calling me "Mr. Jones" as a compliment. You weren't accusing me of building a team who hasn't "won a damn thing" as a compliment. You weren't taking a slap at someone else who got the point by saying we love a team with "no playoff wins" as a compliment. So don't go there.

No, what you did was set up a strawman and try to get back the point you want on the debate. It doesn't work with me. It's never going to work with me. Suddenly the whole point is 2006 and 2007? Wrong, the whole point is a roster of 53 men, and the bottom line is 42 of 53 roster spots on this team are either Draft picks or UDFAs.

So you want me to focus on 2006 & 2007 huh? I can do that. Contrary to ridiculous Madden and Fantasy Football era beliefs one does not have to be a starter to be worth something to an NFL team. That has never been the case and it is never going to fly in a discussion with me. Let's make sure to focus on what I originally said. The players on this team could make another NFL team. Remember that point? It is important that it not slip from your mind. It means that they have NFL talent if they are making NFL teams. Didn't want that point to do a fly by.

Bobby Carpenter. Still on the team. Going to make this team despite the sheer numbers of panties that will bunch up. Would make another team if let go.

Anthony Fasano. Was traded when the team began to focus on Martellus Bennett. Used the Draft pick from that trade to take Tashard Choice. Fasano is a starting TE for another team. Would make another team if let go.

Jason Hatcher. Still on the team. Going to make the team barring injury. Was the Draft day focus of Bill Belicheck and the Patriots and he called Parcells to rip him for taking his guy. We all know Belicheck doesn't know a damn thing about football or talent right? Please. Would make another team if let go.

Pat Watkins. Let's not forget that the average life of an NFL player is 4 years. Watkins has made 3 and contributed on Special Teams and started before being injured. Had this team not Drafted 2 Safeties he probably makes this team again. So a Draft pick is being pushed aside by a younger Draft pick. Funny how that works just like I claimed and you ignored. I don't know what will happen if he is let go. I suspect he will get picked up.

Pat McQuistan. Still on the team. Took the place of another Draft pick. Going to make the team most likely. Played extensively the other night. No penalties. Solid but not spectacular. Would make another team if let go.

Hmm. Five of the eight drafted are still on NFL teams. I wonder what this statistic looks like for the other 31 NFL teams from 2006? I might just have to do a little research and really shoot holes in this crap. No time right now though. I have to move on to 2007.

Anthony Spencer. He's a starter. Oh I forgot, the book is still out on him. I should just accept your diagnosis and move on. Nah. Not going to do that. Not only is he a starter he took the place of another Draft pick to become the starter. Would make another team if let go.

James Marten. Made the Raiders after we let him go.

Isaiah Stanback. Probably along with Carpenter the real focus of this tantrum. Still on the team. At this point I think is going to make this team. Would be picked up if let go.

Doug Free. Still on the team. Is going to make this team. Would be picked up if let go. I know everyone thinks he should just take Flo's spot immediately but I think that's rather laughable. 5 time Pro Bowlers aren't just pushed aside because fans want the newest Draft picks to do it.

Nick Folk. Only the most accurate Kicker we've ever had. I still hate the pick even though he's from Arizona, but I have a sickness. Would make another team if let go.

Deon Anderson. Still on the team. He plays a fading position. But he would probably make another squad if let go for any reason other than health. Contributes on Special Teams too.

Courtney Brown. I realize he looked bad the other night and part of this is probably over reaction to that. Still on the team at this point. Likely to make the team as the 5th CB. If he doesn't it is because they move Ball back to CB. Either way one of them is making this team.

Alan Ball. Still on the team but job in jeopardy because we drafted 2 safeties. If let go probably lands with another team.

Whoa, eight of eight are still on NFL rosters. Wonder how many teams have that kind of stat from 2007? I may just have to look it up later if this whine fest continues.

I wonder how many UDFAs we have from those 2 years on this team? Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, Stephen Bowen from 2006 and Cory Procter from 2007. 4 of the 8.


My diagnosis? Once again we have premature evaluation in Cowboys land.

Oh yeah, one more thing when this team does win in the post season finally and some of these guys are still on the team, flush your whole straw man argument. Or save time and do it now. Your call on that.

 

[tomson75]

Ouch....insult to injury.

Idgit had him on the ropes....Hositle comes in with a Mickey Ward body shot and Dc goes down...

I understand the frustration on the part of those that agree with what Miamicowboy said, but that doesn't make it "truth". It makes it a "reaction"....a very obvious one at that.