Video: Sheriff Goodell talks Pacman Jones - 11/18/08

[TellerMorrow34]

If he was a thug he wouldn't have been in college.

HA! HA! HA! Tell that to Barry Switzer.

Yeah? Didn't know that. Do they screen them at the gate or something? Maybe use "Anti-thug" Batman spray................

LOL!

If he was a thug he wouldn't be in college....

You said that already and you were wrong the first time. Continuing to say it doesn't make it any more true, or valid.

And, as for your other question, no being from 'the hood' doesn't mean thug. But being someone whose CONSTANTLY getting into trouble with the law, and someone who breaks the law, is a thug. That's pretty common knowledge and you don't have to be from 'the hood' to do those things.

Charles Thompson ring any bells for you? He only broke into his coaches home, sold dope to an undercover agent, and spent time in the pen.

Perhaps you remember Lawerance Phillips. Lawence Phillips of the multiple domestic violence problems. You realise he was in college right? And he got into trouble IN COLLEGE with some of those issues.

Chris Henry? Yeah that Chris Henry. The teammate of Adam Jones who got into trouble in college and still gets in trouble in the pros.

Peter Warrick and Coles? Remember the mess they got into over stealing coats, or shoes, or some other bs? They were in college at Florida State at the time.

And, yes, if you're out stealing, breaking into homes, selling dope to people (Rather they're agents or not) then yes you're a THUG. Thug doesn't mean your simply a gangbanger or something like that.


But, yeah, they NEVER allow those types into college. Never happens. Ever.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

You said that already and you were wrong the first time. Continuing to say it doesn't make it any more true, or valid.

And, as for your other question, no being from 'the hood' doesn't mean thug. But being someone whose CONSTANTLY getting into trouble with the law, and someone who breaks the law, is a thug. That's pretty common knowledge and you don't have to be from 'the hood' to do those things.

Charles Thompson ring any bells for you? He only broke into his coaches home, sold dope to an undercover agent, and spent time in the pen.

Perhaps you remember Lawerance Phillips. Lawence Phillips of the multiple domestic violence problems. You realise he was in college right? And he got into trouble IN COLLEGE with some of those issues.

Chris Henry? Yeah that Chris Henry. The teammate of Adam Jones who got into trouble in college and still gets in trouble in the pros.

Peter Warrick and Coles? Remember the mess they got into over stealing coats, or shoes, or some other bs? They were in college at Florida State at the time.

And, yes, if you're out stealing, breaking into homes, selling dope to people (Rather they're agents or not) then yes you're a THUG. Thug doesn't mean your simply a gangbanger or something like that.


But, yeah, they NEVER allow those types into college. Never happens. Ever.

I don't view those guys as thugs sorry.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't view those guys as thugs sorry.

Then we'll agree to disagree.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Then we'll agree to disagree.

I guess so.

 

[Stash]

I don't view those guys as thugs sorry.

Then you'd be wrong yet again.

Somebody who repeatedly can't conform to the rules of society deserves to be labeled a thug, and just because someone's athletic ability affords them the opportunity for an education doesn't disqualify them from that label.

But on the Pacman topic, these circumstances were presented by the Commissioner.

He suspended Jones for 4 games pending his fulfilling certain obligations.

The Commissioner did that.

He had the opportunity to ban Jones if he wanted to.

He chose not to.

And if Jones has fulfilled the obligations set for him, he should be reinstated.

After all, the Commissioner made that arrangement.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Then you'd be wrong yet again.

Somebody who repeatedly can't conform to the rules of society deserves to be labeled a thug, and just because someone's athletic ability affords them the opportunity for an education doesn't disqualify them from that label.

But on the Pacman topic, these circumstances were presented by the Commissioner.

He suspended Jones for 4 games pending his fulfilling certain obligations.

The Commissioner did that.

He had the opportunity to ban Jones if he wanted to.

He chose not to.

And if Jones has fulfilled the obligations set for him, he should be reinstated.

After all, the Commissioner made that arrangement.

You have it backwards commish suspended him indef with a min of 4 games. Jones followed through with the stipulations and should be reinstated but Commish is going to wait until he makes a ruling because he is a tool.

Our veiws are different so lets just agree to disagree it's pointless to get going back and forth on wheter he is a thug or not.

 

[Stash]

You have it backwards commish suspended him indef with a min of 4 games. Jones followed through with the stipulations and should be reinstated but Commish is going to wait until he makes a ruling because he is a tool.

The Commissioner stated that he would review his case after 4 games. Those 4 games are up and he's reviewing it. If Pacman's met the requirements, he should be reinstated this week. If he hasn't met them, he shouldn't.

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't see how anything is Goodell's fault.

Our veiws are different so lets just agree to disagree it's pointless to get going back and forth on wheter he is a thug or not.

That's fine. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The Commissioner stated that he would review his case after 4 games. Those 4 games are up and he's reviewing it. If Pacman's met the requirements, he should be reinstated this week. If he hasn't met them, he shouldn't.

Seems pretty clear to me. I don't see how anything is Goodell's fault.



That's fine. We'll agree to disagree.

What are the requirements he went to rehab.....IDK what else he can do the decision comes to down Goodell and Goodell will be the tool that he's been the whole time and drag it out as much as possible.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What are the requirements he went to rehab.....IDK what else he can do the decision comes to down Goodell and Goodell will be the tool that he's been the whole time and drag it out as much as possible.

Another part of the deal was he had to go through medical evaluations with experts and until Goodell gets their reports back on his mental status and whatever else was evaluated in those things he's not going to make a ruling.

That part was also made just as clear as the rehab. But that's forgotten because it doesn't serve the agenda of how mean Goodell is for 'dragging' this out.

You can't drag anything out in an indefinate suspension because there is no promise, or expectation, of it being 4 games and done. It was at least 4 games with the conditions being that he complete rehab and these examinations and he'd get the reports back from those people and based heavily off those examinations he'd make his determination of when, or if, Jones will be let back in.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Another part of the deal was he had to go through medical evaluations with experts and until Goodell gets their reports back on his mental status and whatever else was evaluated in those things he's not going to make a ruling.

That part was also made just as clear as the rehab. But that's forgotten because it doesn't serve the agenda of how mean Goodell is for 'dragging' this out.

You can't drag anything out in an indefinate suspension because there is no promise, or expectation, of it being 4 games and done. It was at least 4 games with the conditions being that he complete rehab and these examinations and he'd get the reports back from those people and based heavily off those examinations he'd make his determination of when, or if, Jones will be let back in.

reports are back right?

 

[Seven]

Denying him employment now would be taking something from him. And the idea that anything would create a ban for life doesn't fit the models of rehabilitation. There would be somethings to ban him for life but a lot more to create another suspension.

You don't take away a man's livelihood without very good reason. And the model for rehab is filled with carrots leading the dumbbutts.

There are literally thousands of re-habbers being escorted out of facilities daily for non-conformance issues. The model is there to promote a substance free lifestyle. The big picture is for the individual to want to be rehabilitated and put forth some effort to reach that goal. During and after treatment. It is their responsibility and when they lose their jobs it's by their own account. Same as Adam. So, why the free pass for him? Is it because they're saving it for him? This, IMO promotes Adam to do what he wants because he knows they will not take away his livelihood, ensuring Adam does what is not good for Adam.

Sorry, Jobber. I don't refuse to hear you and I do see your point, I just disagree. The ball is in Adam's court, here.

 

[cowboyjoe]

3 Vikings DL facing suspensions (AP)
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[cowboyjoe]

so if goodell doesnt suspend these players, does it show that he is biased, etc?

 

[Seven]

If he was really a thug he wouldn't have even graduated high nor went to college.

Unless of course he's gifted athletically. Then it's all a free ride for thug nation. That's how the world rolls...........

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Unless of course he's gifted athletically. Then it's all a free ride for thug nation. That's how the world rolls...........

so then explain the ones that don't make it? where they more of a thug than the ones that did?

 

[Seven]

so then explain the ones that don't make it? where they more of a thug than the ones that did?

No athletic ability. Dude, there's worse thugs I'm sure. I have a great dog. My neighbors..............needs Prestone pudding, IMO.


If youi're gonna grasp here, I'd wager there's all flavors of thugs in college. Where you going, now?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

What? Dude, there's worse thugs I'm sure. I have a great dog. My neighbors..............needs Prestone pudding, IMO.


If youi're gonna grasp here, I'd wager there's all flavors of thugs in college. Where you going, now?

I'm not grasping at anything. You're saying that being talented allows these people to get ahead in sports. So whats about the people that are really thugs that don't make it?

 

[Stash]

What are the requirements he went to rehab.....IDK what else he can do the decision comes to down Goodell and Goodell will be the tool that he's been the whole time and drag it out as much as possible.

Dude, it Wednesday.

If Goodell lets him twist in the wind for several weeks, I can see your point but it's a bit early.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Dude, it Wednesday.

If Goodell lets him twist in the wind for several weeks, I can see your point but it's a bit early.

Goodell was quick to suspended him he should be quick to reinstate him he's just a power abusing ******.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

reports are back right?

Last I read/heard he had not recieved the reports from the medical examiners, or whatever the heck they're refered to as. He did get the report from the rehab clinic that Jones doesn't have a drinking problem but it's my understanding that these other reports he's getting are from a seperate thing.

I'm not grasping at anything. You're saying that being talented allows these people to get ahead in sports. So whats about the people that are really thugs that don't make it?

They're not good enough to play ball. Dude everyone knows, and you can ask pretty much every college student from a major university out there, that there are plenty of athletes that get a free ride because they're that good.

My sister-in-law went to Oklahoma State at the same time guys like Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, and Hart Lee Dykes was there and she saw first hand how athletes who are just that good get by regardless of what they can, or can't do, in the classroom.

Dykes got to skate by so much because of what he brought to the team it wasn't even funny.

This isn't rocket science dude. It's pretty common knowledge that this stuff happens and it doesn't just happen at the college level. It's well known to go on at the high school levels as well where athletes are given a free pass cause of what they do on the football field on Friday nights.