Video: TO telling teammate play was to Fasano

[tomson75]

He's definitely open, since the coverage guy is behind him in the endzone. I can't guarantee he would have caught it (I haven't been impressed with his hands) but he definitely would have had a chance.

Trust me, no need to worry about Fasano's hands.

 

[AbeBeta]

The problem is that play epitomizes everything that is wrong with Drew.

- Didn't go with the play design
- Bad read of the defense. Even if he abolutely positively had to throw it to Glenn, you don't throw a quick out on press coverage.
- Feeling a rush that wasn't there
- Failure to go through progressions
- His comment later? "I should have thrown it away." 3 viable options to throw it to, and they were barely glanced at, and he thinks there was nothing there. No field awareness whatsoever.

These are traits he has demonstrated time and time again. Heck the only thing he didn't do that he normally does is hold on the ball too long. And ironically that probably would have saved him on this play.

Context is neat and all, but its not like Drew was getting jail breaks on play after play (like the Eagles game) or that some of the hits he took weren't his own fault. He was certainly harrassed as much, if not worse last year in games like KC and still managed not to completely melt down as he did on this play.

Yes, the Olne bears some responsiblity. But the point is a whole lot of other QBs in this league score a TD on that play. Probably most of them. Having Steve Hutchinson at OG on that play probably wouldn't have changed the results either.

Again - as I've said -- you've got a theory about Drew and you choose a single play that confirms that theory. Any theory can be supported that way.

 

[theogt]

Again - as I've said -- you've got a theory about Drew and you choose a single play that confirms that theory. Any theory can be supported that way.

Choosing a single play as confirming the theory or choosing a single play as illustrative of the theory?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When we signed Bledsoe, Parcells made an interesting comment. I don't recall it word for word but basically, when asked why we signed Bledsoe considering his recent history, Parcells said something to the effect that he knew the player and that Bledsoe had been experiencing issues in other places because he wasn't playing disciplined football. He was doing things that were not helping him and he had to be rained in. If that could happen, he could be effective. I will tell you that I was surprised that Parcells pulled Bledsoe at half time. That's just not how he normally works. I don't think it was the play of Bledsoe as much as it was the fact that Bledsoe stepped away from what Parcells wanted him to do. I think that this is probably the reason Bledsoe is not playing right now. I think that Parcells lost confidence in the fact that Bledsoe would stick with game plan and take instruction. Not any of the rest of it. JMO

 

[AbeBeta]

Choosing a single play as confirming the theory or choosing a single play as illustrative of the theory?

Same concept -- words rearranged.

Folks complain about improvising, locking on to Glenn etc. I didn't hear that complaint when it worked -- like in Carolina. Fact is, guys do this with their favorite receivers all the time -- that's what folks label "great chemistry"

 

[theogt]

Same concept -- words rearranged.

Folks complain about improvising, locking on to Glenn etc. I didn't hear that complaint when it worked -- like in Carolina. Fact is, guys do this with their favorite receivers all the time -- that's what folks label "great chemistry"

Actually, I'd label this "bad chemistry," but it's all semantics, right?

 

[hardcorebob]

Watch the play and see how he NEVER takes his eyes off of Glenn! Isn't that a major no-no for someone that has been in the league for 13 years, or for any QB for that matter? Bledsoe has done this on a regular basis if you look at game tape, very sad indeed!

Bill said the play was designed for the other side of the field, and strangley enough there were several good options on that side of the field, with Fasano being a great option. Hell, RUN THE DAMN BALL if anything else too! Frankly I'm glad Bill changed QB's but he waited a bit too long to pull the trigger IMO. Bledsoe is a servicable QB, and a great backup, but no starter in this modern age of defense. I saw a quote on line from another NFL team saying Bledsoe was "unprotectable" and I have to agree with his assessment. I don't think the line of the 90's Cowboy's could do much for him simple because of his poor decision making skills.

 

[AbeBeta]

When we signed Bledsoe, Parcells made an interesting comment. I don't recall it word for word but basically, when asked why we signed Bledsoe considering his recent history, Parcells said something to the effect that he knew the player and that Bledsoe had been experiencing issues in other places because he wasn't playing disciplined football. He was doing things that were not helping him and he had to be rained in. If that could happen, he could be effective. I will tell you that I was surprised that Parcells pulled Bledsoe at half time. That's just not how he normally works. I don't think it was the play of Bledsoe as much as it was the fact that Bledsoe stepped away from what Parcells wanted him to do. I think that this is probably the reason Bledsoe is not playing right now. I think that Parcells lost confidence in the fact that Bledsoe would stick with game plan and take instruction. Not any of the rest of it. JMO

That is certainly a huge part of it -- but the other part is Bill saying Drew needed to be well protected to be effective. They go hand in hand -- the guy gets hurried and slips into bad habits.

Clean pocket against the Commanders, Titans, and Texans, and you see 3 very solid games. Hurried against Jax, NYG, and Philly and you see mistakes.

Mediocre line + Bledsoe = Bad Fit.

 

[Crown Royal]

Wow. 9 Pages and no one has pointed out that we are analyzing a photo taken after the ball was thrown, not before, when it would be more illustrative of the field and who was open.

 

[tomson75]

When we signed Bledsoe, Parcells made an interesting comment. I don't recall it word for word but basically, when asked why we signed Bledsoe considering his recent history, Parcells said something to the effect that he knew the player and that Bledsoe had been experiencing issues in other places because he wasn't playing disciplined football. He was doing things that were not helping him and he had to be rained in. If that could happen, he could be effective. I will tell you that I was surprised that Parcells pulled Bledsoe at half time. That's just not how he normally works. I don't think it was the play of Bledsoe as much as it was the fact that Bledsoe stepped away from what Parcells wanted him to do. I think that this is probably the reason Bledsoe is not playing right now. I think that Parcells lost confidence in the fact that Bledsoe would stick with game plan and take instruction. Not any of the rest of it. JMO

Yeah. Issues like holding onto the ball for an absurd amount of time and taking needless sacks. Issues like feeling pressure even when there is none, and throwing picks because he got rattled. Issues like not being able to read defenses. Issues like changing plays at the LOS and throwing right into the defenses' strength. Issues like telegraphing passes. etc.

Its sad. I really like Bledsoe, but his play as of late has been awful. These issues would be enough for most coaches to lose faith in their QB. IMO.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Again - as I've said -- you've got a theory about Drew and you choose a single play that confirms that theory. Any theory can be supported that way.

It's easier to have a mantra. Simple slogans for simple minds.

But the truth is Drew was never high on QB I&I..he never processed the field like the elite qbs, and even in the year when he did not lock on or stare down a primary receiver (think back to 96 when he had Coates, Jefferson, Glenn, Martin, Byers, Brisby, and really did spread the ball around) his play was qualified by the same quick and relatively simple play action option game that Bill used two years later to resurrect Vinnie Testaverde. A streamlined check down. Bill ahd built him a luxury bus, and in his prime, Drew could drive it.

Since then, Drew's abilities have deteriorated a great deal. No one who saw him play ten years ago can watch him now and not see that. But one could perhaps forgive, if not forget, the painfully slow overall delivery, even overlook the inability of a well-stocked offense to have all its weapons utilized because the QB needed so much protection, but there is no excusing a deliberate decision to counter a well designed play with an inexplicable refusal or inability to follow protocol.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I don't think it was the play of Bledsoe as much as it was the fact that Bledsoe stepped away from what Parcells wanted him to do. I think that this is probably the reason Bledsoe is not playing right now. I think that Parcells lost confidence in the fact that Bledsoe would stick with game plan and take instruction. Not any of the rest of it. JMO

BINGO!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That is certainly a huge part of it -- but the other part is Bill saying Drew needed to be well protected to be effective. They go hand in hand -- the guy gets hurried and slips into bad habits.

Clean pocket against the Commanders, Titans, and Texans, and you see 3 very solid games. Hurried against Jax, NYG, and Philly and you see mistakes.

Mediocre line + Bledsoe = Bad Fit.

You can go back to the day we signed him and find posts saying exactly the same thing. Never a doubt in my mind but even so, we signed him. It's hard for me to find fault with him specifically for this reason.

I recall having a discussion on this board, not so long ago, saying that I thought QB was one of Parcells weaknesses, as a coach. I still believe that. He is a great coach, overall IMO. I just have never really cared for how he picks and plays QBs. JMO

 

[tomson75]

Wow. 9 Pages and no one has pointed out that we are analyzing a photo taken after the ball was thrown, not before, when it would be more illustrative of the field and who was open.

Not possible. You can't tell who's going to be open (in most cases...I'll leave out Witten lining up uncovered at the 5 yard line a few weeks ago, which Bledsoe missed) when everyone is still on the LOS. Bledsoe turned and threw that ball immediately. He looked right towards TO, then looked left as he snapped the ball. He then took about a 1-2 step drop and threw it.

 

[theogt]

Wow. 9 Pages and no one has pointed out that we are analyzing a photo taken after the ball was thrown, not before, when it would be more illustrative of the field and who was open.

Doesn't really matter. If the play was designed to the right and he threw the ball before the play developed without any pressure it's a problem.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wow. 9 Pages and no one has pointed out that we are analyzing a photo taken after the ball was thrown, not before, when it would be more illustrative of the field and who was open.

To me it doesn't really matter. That was a bang, bang play. Really, the exact same kind of throw Bledsoe made against Seattle last year. Drew never looked else where. He short set and fired that ball out. Drew never looked anywhere but at that quick out. The thing that was interesting to me was that Glenn didn't really run that route as if he was expecting the ball to come to him. He didn't make a quick jab step in and then out. He didn't get a good push off the line to create seperation and he didn't line up on the DB even up. All of these things are done to try and set up a Corner for the quick out. Glenn really didn't do any of them. It almost looked like Glenn never thought the ball was coming to him. If this story is true, everything else makes much more sense.

 

[odog422]

Abersonc, in my previous post I called you out by name and I've yet to see a reply in 2 and a half pages since....which leads me to believe what I posted was correct - you're arguing for the sake of argument.

Again, I ask, what is your point?

 

[iceberg]

Abersonc, in my previous post I called you out by name and I've yet to see a reply in 2 and a half pages since....which leads me to believe what I posted was correct - you're arguing for the sake of argument.

Again, I ask, what is your point?

dude - come grout tile with me. he's got no point and is kinda just making up stuff to argue about. happens on slow days.

 

[odog422]

dude - come grout tile with me. he's got no point and is kinda just making up stuff to argue about. happens on slow days.

Yeah, what I thought as well.

 

[AbeBeta]

Abersonc, in my previous post I called you out by name and I've yet to see a reply in 2 and a half pages since....which leads me to believe what I posted was correct - you're arguing for the sake of argument.

Again, I ask, what is your point?

Over and over again -- I've made that point that Bledsoe isn't an idiot - he's a poor fit with a mediocre line. Folks can spend all day analyzing a photo -- but all they are doing is picking the one play that support their beliefs. Folks can call him an idiot, say he sucks, but that fails to recognize there is plenty of blame to go around -- it also fails to recognize that we still had problems with another QB at the helm.

I didn't respond to you b/c that argument was clearly spelled out in my previous posts.