Wanna-Be Talent Evaluators

[Brax]

Dak is a top 10 quarterback. Last I checked, the quarterbacks rated higher than him are all signed.

With that said, you never answered the question. You're the MAIN one I was talking about when running, deflecting, and hiding from ONE simple question....

Prove to the great people on this board that you are NOT one of these low IQ, weak *** Dak hatin cowards who can't explain their hate with actual proof to back up your argument.

Former and current players, coaches, GMs, and scouts said that Dak is a very good quarterback who's top 10 in this league..... Dak's PRODUCTION has literally placed him in the top 10 according to the official NFL standings. Here's one simple question....

Do you think you know more about football talent and quarterbacking at the highest levels THAN former and current players, coaches, GMs, and scouts that say the complete opposite of what you've been saying about Dak????

Daks around a 10 to 14 qb that has inflated stats against duds, the problem is his disappearance in games that count and the many excuses from homers like you who select who you listen to for sound bites. Funny if Jimmy J says Dak is not great he’s a moron, if he says he’s great it’s gospel what you can’t grasp is the simple fact is it’s all for headlines and click bait. Being the 10th 11th or so QB is nothing to write home about especially when you look at the classic choke jobs Dak has had. We all want him to succeed but 7 seasons in and his constant chokes are what most have come to expect, tell us you thought Dak was leading the team to a W against the 49ers. You do know this is a discussion board or are you that dense you think only your view is viable, news flash everyone has opinions and all are ok, keep listening to the talking idiots, the unnamed football experts but I tell you there is no experts picking Dak to lead their team unless they have no options and like Romo that is why he’s here , if you want to pay elite money for a 10 or so QB then other positions suffer. Looks like Jerry want Dak to earn that elite money, should be a great watch to see how he delivers or folds. Got to give Dak credit he talks a great game shame he hasn’t backed it up yet. Could you name any experts who wouldn’t pick 9 or 10 QBs before Dak and I don’t believe even one of your experts Jerry would. Lighten up the CZ is fun you are way to invested in opinions you won’t change. Good homer post.

 

[zrinkill]

Who?

Pappy

 

[Dre11]

OK, let's see him do it against winning teams, and do this consistently when the season is on the line, or in the playoffs.

He's yet to do anything like that.

Still, I'm not sure your beef is with me. I admit he's better than a top 10 QB.

I like Dak, especially knowing what he's been through in his personal life.

Did he not do it against Seattle in the playoffs? A win?

 

[GINeric]

I'm not a Dak hater, but I'll answer the question.
Actually, it's pretty easy.
The evaluation is given based on what is AVAILABLE at the time.

For example, if Dak were playing in a league that featured, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees ... would he be considered top 10? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

Now, let's say he's playing in a league with Jameis Winston, Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield, Vinny Testeverde, Trent Dilfer, Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Mitch Trubisky, Mac Jones ... would he be considered in the top 10? ABSOLUTELY YES!!!

What makes the difference? Simply put ... THE LEVEL OF QUARTERBACKS HE'S PLAYING AGAINST OR PLAYING WITH IN THE LEAGUE!

Currently, how many franchise quarterbacks are in the league? ... Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Mahomes, Wilson, Herbert. That's eight. So, of course, Dak would be in the discussion as a top 10 quarterback.

But what does that REALLY tell us? Probably not much given the talent above him and the talent existing within the league.

The issue really shouldn't be whether Dak is a top 10 quarterback. But, rather, it should be is Dak a franchise quarterback - one you can entrust to lead your team deep into the playoffs and take the game on his shoulders and win the dang thang - and that on a consistent basis.

Teams aren't looking for top 10 quarterbacks, per say. They're looking for franchise quarterbacks.

Until they find them, your search at quarterback will always be never ending.

Ask Kirk Cousins.

Great post!!! Much respect!!

 

[GINeric]

Bruh you haven’t hit any nerve with me, I’m trying to help you. Unless you’re good with forever being part of that group with a certain label from this point forward.

As far as Dak is concerned I’m in the middle. If you go by last year alone, he was top 8 for the first part of the season. The. Die a couple games he was around 10-11. But the last six games or so, he was low tier 23-28. You can’t take away that last half of the season. You can’t take away the last game either. But, you can’t forget how good he was during the first 5-6 games.

The problem is this. Your side of the argument is just as bad as the other side. Somewhere in the middle is the correct way to look at Dak.

Great post and much respect to you my friend!!!

With that said, is it just a coincidence that Dak was balling out until the game against the Patriots when he hurt his leg on the game winning TD pass to Lamb???

 

[GINeric]

Do you really think with this behaviour of yours someone would be willing to answer one of your questions ?

I would suggest you work on your social graces if you are looking for someone who will spent his valuable time to answer your questions.

So if you still are interessted (under those conditions) i can answer you your question.

Well when i started out respectfully asking the question, it made a few here angry because they couldn't explain why current and former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts spoke differently than they did about Dak's performance and worth.

See... sometimes when you shine a light on haters and compare their baseless accusations against the opinions and facts of professionals.... they get angry and lash out because they know they look and sound foolish. Therefore, they deflect with insults or they run and hide when asked to justify their limited logic against the people who play the game and coach the game.

 

[conner01]

I truly believe some would rather see Dak fail than see him succeed and win. Sad.

Sadly I agree

 

[GINeric]

This is a "win" because even if we agree to disagree we have shared our views without insults.

For me, being labeled a "hater" is ridiculous. I don't hate the player or person. I did come to despise those who glossed over every fault and insulted anyone who said otherwise.

As for my ability to evaluate talent, I can only tell you that I'm pretty successful in identifying both individual talent and when teams will or won't be good. Often in direct contradiction of what the experts have to say.

Have a happy holiday weekend!!

Everybody who has concerns about Dak is not a hater. Ive stated that many times before. Some of you guys have legit concerns and gripes.

With that said... i find it hilarious that current and former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts can say Dak is a good quarterback who they consider top 10. Daks production according to the NFL statisticians place him in the top 10....

Then those certain few follow that up saying Dak isn't good, he's a bum, etc...

Thats why i give them the opportunity to prove why they know more than those NFL professionals at different levels about evaluating NFL talent and quarterbacking at this high level.

None of them can answer that question, then turn around and respond with angry insults or they run and hide and ignore the question totally. But why??

 

[RoboQB]

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if there are only 3-4 of them, why not just send them a message. There are over 5k active zoners, why worry about 3-4 of them who have a different opinion?

More likely to be barely 500 active zoners.
I've question that member counter for years.
Was once told to leave for even bringing it up.

I'll say Dak is Top 12, just to stir the pot.
Imagine if this board were available in the 80s with Danny White. Whew.

 

[TwentyOne]

Well when i started out respectfully asking the question, it made a few here angry because they couldn't explain why current and former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts spoke differently than they did about Dak's performance and worth.

See... sometimes when you shine a light on haters and compare their baseless accusations against the opinions and facts of professionals.... they get angry and lash out because they know they look and sound foolish. Therefore, they deflect with insults or they run and hide when asked to justify their limited logic against the people who play the game and coach the game.

You really think you started out respectfully ?
I cant believe you see it like that.

Your post was the quintessence of being unrespectful. And an example of prejustice. Thats why i posted my first answer like i did.
Well what should i do else ? I always approach hate and prejustice with humor that points out that a person who diminishes others is the one who actually is the main reason for the existing problem.

You talk about treating others respectfully. Then tell me your definition of respect. Mine is that you accept others (for example) opinions even if you dont understand them and have a different one. And still treat those persons like you want to be treated by others (Categorial Imperative!). Well labeling someone else with the tag "Hater" is only to diminish his arguments or opinion. Its one way to incapacitate the other person so you dont have to deal with theirs opinion and arguments.

No my dear friend. You werent respectful. You were just so sure that you were right and nobody could be able to prove you wrong. So you went to a place where other famous people before you went already: megalomania.

 

[Brax]

Not much you can do when you rb averaged 2.6 ypc and your oline can’t block and commits 10 penalties.


SF is one of the best defenses in the NFL. Anyone expecting fireworks was a moron.


Some people understand football and some don’t.

And you don’t

 

[Brax]

Well when i started out respectfully asking the question, it made a few here angry because they couldn't explain why current and former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts spoke differently than they did about Dak's performance and worth.

See... sometimes when you shine a light on haters and compare their baseless accusations against the opinions and facts of professionals.... they get angry and lash out because they know they look and sound foolish. Therefore, they deflect with insults or they run and hide when asked to justify their limited logic against the people who play the game and coach the game.

This is funny, if it wasn’t so sad, you start out OP insulting and name calling , lashing out in anger now flip it and say it’s the haters. It’s really sad that you need talking heads to tell you what to believe because you don’t know yourself. You are really clueless when it comes to opinions, you know many here have very good ones and they are just as valid as anyone else’s and may be better than those experts like Jerry and son. You should learn to form your own opinions not let others form them for you it’s the sign of a weak mind.​

 

[morat1959]

Dak sux!

 

[Vtwin]

Again... its current AND former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts.... not just quarterbacks, but players of all positions.

Reading the full write up and understanding what was said is very hard for you......

Why did all these experts pass on drafting a top 10 QB in the first three rounds of the draft? Especially the GM's and scouts? Where was that expert talent evaluation, then?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Great post and much respect to you my friend!!!

With that said, is it just a coincidence that Dak was balling out until the game against the Patriots when he hurt his leg on the game winning TD pass to Lamb???

Excuse # 6 ......Dak was injured.
It's getting old here with these excuses year in and year out.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Ok cool. You're not a hater.... but explain to me what makes your evaluation of NFL quarterback more credible than the players IN THE NFL that Dak plays against, the coaches IN THE NFL that game plan to play against Dak, and the GMs and scouts.

What makes you think that you know football and quarterbacking better than these people who are paid millions to eat, sleep, and breathe football daily???

You're the biggest HATER here as you despise and attack anyone who doesn't agree with you concerning your man-crush Mr.Prescott.
Pucker up butter cup the world can't always be yours.....

 

[Typhus]

Excuse # 6 ......Dak was injured.
It's getting old here with these excuses year in and year out.

Dakscuses, we could coin a term.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dakscuses, we could coin a term.

Dakscuses
Dakchoka
and many more to come after this coming season.....

 

[Typhus]

If Moore cant figure out how to utilize Dak properly than Moore will be gone.
Who would be the next great problem solver at OC?
Dak isnt going anywhere for a while, but could see a new OC soon if Daks struggles continue.

 

[john van brocklin]

Sadly I agree

I agree with both of you.