Wanna-Be Talent Evaluators

[Hadenough]

When was the last time you heard one of these “personnel” say something negative about any player? Those same folks make mistakes all the time, that’s why they get fired. Again so you understand Dak a good QB, 10 to 12 yes, at elite money you expect him to raise the level of play of the players around him not needing elite players to carry him. To this point it appears the people doubting Daks ability when it counts are correct and the personnel you speak so highly of are wrong. The script may change on Dak and he may surprise us but his best attribute seems to be talking a great game and underperforming in real games.

Pretty much sums things up for this topic. Mods can close this now.

 

[csirl]

The Stafford thing is interesting.

Based on the behaviour we saw on CZ 12-18 months ago when a number of posters suggested that Stafford would be an upgrade on Dak and that the Cowboys should have done what the Rams did, the question should be turned on the Dak ultras.

The Dak fans told us Stafford was rubbish, a loser, would never win a SB and that the Rams made a bad move........

Many of us told them Stafford was a clear upgrade on Goff, would make the Rams SB favorites and the Cowboys should have attempted to trade for him (including possibly sending Dak to the Lions ala Goff).

What do the Dak fans have to say about their wrong evaluation of Stafford and his impact on the Rams?

Why are Dak fans so opposed to any suggested QB move that upgrades the position? Surely the team comes first?

 

[Hadenough]

The Stafford thing is interesting.

Based on the behaviour we saw on CZ 12-18 months ago when a number of posters suggested that Stafford would be an upgrade on Dak and that the Cowboys should have done what the Rams did, the question should be turned on the Dak ultras.

The Dak fans told us Stafford was rubbish, a loser, would never win a SB and that the Rams made a bad move........

Many of us told them Stafford was a clear upgrade on Goff, would make the Rams SB favorites and the Cowboys should have attempted to trade for him (including possibly sending Dak to the Luons ala Goff).

What do the Dak fans have to say about their wtong evaluation of Stafford and his impact on the Rams?

Why are Dak fans so opposed to any suggested QB move that upgrades the position? Surely the team comes first?

Good point!

 

[GINeric]

So they all agree he isn't on mahomes, brady and Rodgers level but why is his pay on thier level? You do realize that by what these guys are saying it's just supporting the NFL which has put food on thier table for years. Most of them aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them. Dak is good enough for around that #10 ranking except when he plays a good team he plays like he is ranked #23rd. He is so inconsistent that his plays goes cold for quarters at a time. If he is that inconsistent against the better teams than how is he going to string together several playoff wins to get where this team needs to go. I'll tell you how. He isn't and they will never get there with him. The defense and running game might game him one more playoff win but Dak just doesn't have the talent to handle the pressure. Sure he might throttle some bad teams and look great. But that's about all your getting. The NFL is all about making money and Dak puts people in the stadium so why would they knock him. As fan I've been watching this game for 40+ years and I can tell you these so called experts DONT know everything and don't always tell you everything.

Great post and i would like to touch on "beating winning teams". How many times have Dak put us up and in position to win the game, but guys like Brady and Rodgers drive down the field in less than a minute or two and get their teams in fg position for the win??? Is it Dak's fault for the inability of our defense to make a stop against these "winning teams"???

Aaron Rodgers as great as he is... has a record of 36 - 43 vs winning teams....

I believe Kirk Cousins is 10 - 40 vs winning teams....

Matt Stafford is 8 - 67 vs winning teams....

Now other than Tom Brady and maybe Mahomes, tell me who REALLY deserves elite money, if we're basing it off of beating "winning teams".

 

[GINeric]

so you know it is moronic

then why post it

Its not moronic, I was just identifying the weak.... there's always hope tho!!

 

[GINeric]

When was the last time you heard one of these “personnel” say something negative about any player? Those same folks make mistakes all the time, that’s why they get fired. Again so you understand Dak a good QB, 10 to 12 yes, at elite money you expect him to raise the level of play of the players around him not needing elite players to carry him. To this point it appears the people doubting Daks ability when it counts are correct and the personnel you speak so highly of are wrong. The script may change on Dak and he may surprise us but his best attribute seems to be talking a great game and underperforming in real games.

Ok so you're saying former and current players, coaches, GMs, and scouts are saying Dak is a top 10 quarterback to be nice to him and to put positive energy in the air because they won't say anything negative.

Ok again.... those people didn't have to say anything about Dak because the production speaks for itself. When you go and look at the NFLs official standings, Daks PRODUCTION landed him in the top 10 because the NFL officials add up every players production in every position.

Dak being a top ten QB doesn't have anything to do with other NFL professionals observations, it has to do with mathematics. NFL officials add up every players production, from amount of snaps played, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down percentages, to performance in indoor or outdoor stadiums, etc.

NFL.COM don't deal in opinions, they add up the production.

 

[DogFace]

And thatz because 80% of the fan base are Homers

Yes. Better at being fans. And not as good as the impartial team observers at critiquing the team.
Which is as effective (to achieving whatever goal they’re out to achieve) as being a fan.

 

[Hadenough]

Great post and i would like to touch on "beating winning teams". How many times have Dak put us up and in position to win the game, but guys like Brady and Rodgers drive down the field in less than a minute or two and get their teams in fg position for the win??? Is it Dak's fault for the inability of our defense to make a stop against these "winning teams"???

Aaron Rodgers as great as he is... has a record of 36 - 43 vs winning teams....

I believe Kirk Cousins is 10 - 40 vs winning teams....

Matt Stafford is 8 - 67 vs winning teams....

Now other than Tom Brady and maybe Mahomes, tell me who REALLY deserves elite money, if we're basing it off of beating "winning teams".

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-qb-playoff-wins-among-active-qbs
Look at the above link and tell me if Dak belongs among the top QBs

 

[Jimbo123]

There have been postings and comments from highly paid NFL personnel like former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts who've given Dak Prescott the respect he deserves. None of them said Dak is on Rodgers, Mahomes or Brady's level, but they've said Dak is a top 10 quarterback.

Dak's production according to NFL.COM's statistics/production has placed him in the top 10.

Im not going to point anybody out specifically, but they know who they are. Its a few here that have legit concerns about Dak moving forward with this team, then there's the handful of haters that downplay anything good Dak HAS done and place blame on Dak for things that isn't his fault.

There's this ONE question that I've noticed that never gets answered from the Dak haters and it actually makes them run, hide, and skip over the question. Here it is....

1. If the NFL professionals, from coaches to GMs, current and former players and scouts say that Dak is a very good quarterback and he's a top 10 quarterback and his PRODUCTION places him in the top 10.... and you (the hater) says Dak isn't good and he's top 10....

Are you (the hater) going on record to say that you know more about football and evaluating quarterback talent than ALL OF THOSE HIGHLY PAID NFL PERSONNEL that ive listed above that get paid millions to eat, sleep and breathe football for a living???

NO DAK HATER HAS EVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION!!!!

But why not????

Many teams are reluctant to draft a high-stat guy from a weak conference because of the competition he faces. The same can be said about Prescott. If Baker Mayfield was our QB, playing against the NFC Least, 6 times a year he would also be a top 10 QB. If Dak had played in the NFLW last year he would have been the 3rd or 4th best Qb in the division. He's average at best..You'll find that out this year.

 

[DogFace]

Gotta stop thinking with your pom-poms.

Dak is outplaying his draft position. Certainly. However, he is a liability to this offense. Good quarterbacks would have won a couple of Super Bowls with his rosters.

Do you really feel we’ve even had a pretty good D since he’s been the starter? My memory is that in the playoff games especially they’ve folded. Badly.

Rams
Niners
Packers

What games did the D outperform the O?

 

[DogFace]

Can you say SUPERBOWL!!!!!

Others say it, but I’ve never believed it. Are you all really upset about Tony being benched for a Dak and haven’t let it go?

Look back and you’ll see I defended Romo non stop with basically the same defense. Which is “what is your solution? And that he’s clearly good enough to win it all.

Romo could no longer handle being tackled. It was clear to see. The preseason hit was not hard at all.

 

[DogFace]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-qb-playoff-wins-among-active-qbs
Look at the above link and tell me if Dak belongs among the top QBs

Dak belongs in the top 10.

Compare Seattle’s D to any of ours.
Compare Patriots coaching to any of ours. And many of their D’s.
Give us Reed and we’d have more too.
Let us cheat once like Green Bay refs and we’d have at least one more. See David Irving tackle hold for game winner.

 

[DogFace]

Who did I call out??? I just asked a question. Are there rules about asking questions??? Im asking for a friend.... that truth hit them nerves hard huh.... LOL!!! Show me who i SPECIFICALLY called out and where in the rules it states that its against the rules to ask a simple question????

I'll wait....

Don’t listen to him. Call out threads are only offensive to the sensitive crowd and they always get over it no matter how important they think their feelings are or should be to others.

 

[Vtwin]

I dont know.... probably the same reason why they passed up on many great players for decades through the draft. Why was Dak the best quarterback in his draft class and he was drafted in the fourth round???

Oh wait... you never answered the original question.

Answering questions is hard for you.....

I did answer the question. You're just to simple to understand the answer

 

[GINeric]

The Stafford thing is interesting.

Based on the behaviour we saw on CZ 12-18 months ago when a number of posters suggested that Stafford would be an upgrade on Dak and that the Cowboys should have done what the Rams did, the question should be turned on the Dak ultras.

The Dak fans told us Stafford was rubbish, a loser, would never win a SB and that the Rams made a bad move........

Many of us told them Stafford was a clear upgrade on Goff, would make the Rams SB favorites and the Cowboys should have attempted to trade for him (including possibly sending Dak to the Lions ala Goff).

What do the Dak fans have to say about their wrong evaluation of Stafford and his impact on the Rams?

Why are Dak fans so opposed to any suggested QB move that upgrades the position? Surely the team comes first?

Stafford is going on his 13th year.... Dak is only going on his 7th. 13 years in the league, its about time that Stafford was part of a team winning something, wouldn't you say???

With that said why compare Dak to a quarterback who's been in the league twice as long as Dak??? Compare Stafford and Daks production at both of their 6th year marks. Which quarterback had a better winning percentage at that 6th year mark??? I believe that would be Dak.

Then Stafford went to the Rams... a team with an outstanding defense from front to back, a great head coach and great play calling.... any good quarterback would have won a superbowl with the Rams last year, including Dak.

 

[GINeric]

I did answer the question. You're just to simple to understand the answer

No, you were just too simple to answer the question. Not surprising though, its almost expected.....

 

[stuckindc]

Donovan also had better coaches like Reid and his staff. But im sure that probably doesn't matter....

Agree 100%. Imagine what Reid and his coaches would do with our talent!!

 

[GINeric]

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-qb-playoff-wins-among-active-qbs
Look at the above link and tell me if Dak belongs among the top QBs

Ask me this question when Dak has as many years in the league as those top quarterbacks you've mentioned.

Did you realize that Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles have the same amount of Superbowl wins as Aaron Rodgers???? So should they be in the same company with him?

Oh yeah, tell me the last time Dak was privileged to play with a coaching staff as talented as all of those top quarterbacks you've posted.

 

[blueblood70]

The Stafford thing is interesting.

Based on the behaviour we saw on CZ 12-18 months ago when a number of posters suggested that Stafford would be an upgrade on Dak and that the Cowboys should have done what the Rams did, the question should be turned on the Dak ultras.

The Dak fans told us Stafford was rubbish, a loser, would never win a SB and that the Rams made a bad move........

Many of us told them Stafford was a clear upgrade on Goff, would make the Rams SB favorites and the Cowboys should have attempted to trade for him (including possibly sending Dak to the Lions ala Goff).

What do the Dak fans have to say about their wrong evaluation of Stafford and his impact on the Rams?

Why are Dak fans so opposed to any suggested QB move that upgrades the position? Surely the team comes first?

NOONE said Stafford's was a LOSER lmao its simple hes not an upgrade over dak hes a upgrade over Goff..you make this more difficult than it has to be that plain and simple Dak also major upgrade over Goff if you dont think so you are a sad case and lost cause. Stafford, dak ROMO all similar tier qbs , different games but very much in the same tier.

whatever Put Dak on that team they still win SB i mean dak throws far less INTs so less for the defense to bail that team out..yes Stafford was good 17INTS sorry thats not great for starter on that team with those weapons. He played WELL but no different when he was with Detroit just had a SB ready team last season. The comp isnt what Stafford could do here, hes NOT an upgrade over dak..

Dak 38tds 10int they are both on the same level. Same with romo ..that the comp not if Staffords better then dak, its Dak would also have been a major upgrade over GOFF and for sure would have also helped Rams to a SB.. that why you aren't a talent evaluator, you are still missing the fact you think our team is SB ready like the rams and Stafford's an update over dak, NOPE still not true.

The rams were better across the board then us and thats why Stafford rode that wave to a SB..Dak is on that same level period end if story issue is his team has not been in the big moments, show me proof Stafford upgrades our team more than dak, not one single thing he did last year was special. Hes very good qb on great team and he needed weapons like dak does , 14 penalties torpedoed our playoffs game and thats why we lost and Stafford would not have overcome that either.,,17 ints onthat team imagine our OL issues lmao. Stafford play 1st and 20 all game right

give it a rest it was wrong then and wrong now..stafford who got lucky to move to SB ready team i mean Goff got them to a SB thats telling. If its not you are blind. dak, Romo, statffords all same tier qbs in very different situations.

that first line made the rest invalid i mean you believe dak is goff and Stafford would have had the same impact here he had with the rams??..lmao that so not true at all.

 

[erod]

Do you really feel we’ve even had a pretty good D since he’s been the starter? My memory is that in the playoff games especially they’ve folded. Badly.

Rams
Niners
Packers

What games did the D outperform the O?

Niners and Packers for sure. The offense was horrific in the first halves of both of those games.

It generally has been every time we have a meaningful game late in the season.

Offenses can really help defenses in this situations, but ours hasn't.

Forget stats. It's about game flow and keeping pace without falling way behind early and wearing out the defense by halftime.