Was Dak Ever Considered Elite

[cowboyec]

WIN
thats all i want and can give a damn who gets us there.
WIN

 

[khiladi]

And that is the crucial point right? If you as a team want to be competitive in the post season you are only going to do it with a QB who is competitive against the better competition.

I actually got this article from one of your old post references when I was looking at some older posts.

Facts are, even when ELITE QBs lose to better opponents, they play well or good enough that a credible case can be made the defense or team blew it. But with Dak, he simply performs mediocre, like he did against SF or against the Eagles in 2019 for the playoffs and he could only muster 9 pts against CBs off the street. He’s arguably one of the the worst player on the field offensively during his stretches of bad play that happen yearly, especially when the stakes rise against any average to decent opponent, let alone good opponent..

Even Romo’s statistical outputs that are ridiculous are against opponents with a much better overall winning record, while Dak pads stats against garbage teams.

 

[starfan1]

Peyton Manning was at his best in Denver, until the effects of his fused vertebrae took over and his strength deteriorated and neck flexibility diminished. That offense had like 5300 yards and Manning threw 55 TDs in his best season ever.

So stats matter when you want them to? I believe his championship season in Denver was more a result of the defense then his elite status but his reason for regressing was a result of his neck and age.
It happens to everyone

 

[khiladi]

Dak had 7 TOs, 4 INT and 3 fumbles in 2020, before he got injured and was basically inflating his stats in garbage time In the 4th, while contributing yo the opponents building big leads. He had a pick 6 against the Giants to allow them to go up 14-3.

Just stop the garbage 2020 MVP level of play..

 

[khiladi]

So stats matter when you want them to? I believe his championship season in Denver was more a result of the defense then his elite status but his reason for regressing was a result of his neck and age.
It happens to everyone

They went to the SB that year and lost you arguably the greatest defensive backfield in history, definitely greatest defense in this modern era of lasting. What are you even talking about? Im not saying Manning’s SB with Denver was a result of great QB play and not defense.or that he wasn’t great with the Colts.

 

[FanofJerry]

I actually got this article from one of your old post references when I was looking at some older posts.

Facts are, even when ELITE QBs lose to better opponents, they play well or good enough that a credible case can be made the defense or team blew it. But with Dak, he simply performs mediocre, like he did against SF or against the Eagles in 2019 for the playoffs and he could only muster 9 pts against CBs off the street. He’s arguably one of the the worst player on the field offensively during his stretches of bad play that happen yearly, especially when the stakes rise against any average to decent opponent, let alone good opponent..

Even Romo’s statistical outputs that are ridiculous are against opponents with a much better overall winning record, while Dak pads stats against garbage teams.

No GM is giving up on Dak yet if they were in Jerry's shoes. So...since youre smarter than them...what is your move to fix the situation asap? We can draft later...what is your move to fix the current situation at the deadline...because Cooper isnt it? What team is giving you a QB better than Dak for Dak plus draft assets?

 

[gimmesix]

Dak has had short stints where he looked elite, but he's not done it consistently to be in the same breath as the top 5 guys. Dak has also had several terrible games over the last 12 he's started (TB 2022, SF, DEN, KC, 1st Wasthington game, etc) where it's tough to put him in the top 10 QBs.

The good news is I don't think this team needs an elite QB right now. 2020 they absolutely needed a QB to carry the team. Now they need Dak to be in the Cooper Rush model with a better arm. We need Dak to be more of the 2016 Dak than the 350 yards a game Dak.

This team gets an upgrade when Dak is healthy, but he has a long way to go to be viewed as elite.

This is a totally fair take, and I wish more fans would adopt it instead of trying to outdo each other over whether Dak sucks or Dak is great.

 

[khiladi]

No GM is giving up on Dak yet if they were in Jerry's shoes. So...since youre smarter than them...what is your move to fix the situation asap? We can draft later...what is your move to fix the current situation at the deadline...because Cooper isnt it? What team is giving you a QB better than Dak for Dak plus draft assets?

No GM is giving Dak that contract coming off a broken leg with a no trade clause either like Jerry,.

 

[Ken]

We believe you.

I expect an apology as I had to scroll back in time like a thousand pages.

This validated what some have been saying about the quality of the scheme/OL play in Oakland. By the looks of this video, DMC had no chance on the vast majority of his runs. Not to mention that 90% of the plays that I watched had 8 or 9 in the box, this guy really was set up to fail. I can imagine that other backs perhaps padded their statistics in 3rd and long runs or by popping a couple against these looks.​

It was just a horrific display to watch all of his carries. To his credit, he seemed to run with equal determination with each carry. I only really counted maybe 5 plays where I thought that DMC made a poor decision to cut.

I am really curious to see how he fares behind this OL with this scheme with these players around him. I think the Cowboys were exteremely smart and shrewd in getting their hands on this guy.

Ken, Jun 23, 2015

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/all...ushes-all-22-39-25.324615/page-2#post-6161687


Also, i noticed that I argued this point about a hundred times lol Also, shoutout to Xwalker for also seeing it ahead of time, no surprise there as he is one of the few on this board who understand football.

 

[FanofJerry]

No GM is giving Dak that contract coming off a broken leg with a No trade clause either like Jerry,.

I disagree.

You couldnt answer my question. Shame...all you can do is Dak hate with no solution.

 

[CouchCoach]

It's shocking that anyone ever called Wilon elite. He's always played like this, albeit a bit worse now that he's 33. Inconsistent. Got bailed out by running game and D. He hasn't sniffed a super bowl since that D started fading.

How many HOF QB’s can you say the same thing about?

 

[OmerV]

No, not elite. Was never considered the level of Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady ...

 

[75boyz]

A good surface level gauge would be if he had any 1st or 2nd team All Pro selections.

Pro Bowls are more popularity and a lot of times past reputation.

So, based on that and that he's had zero All Pro selections I'll go with "NO."

 

[khiladi]

Zeke was good but McFadden was the 4th leading rusher in the league the year before starting only 10 games.

Zeke, in his absolute best....only broke 19 tackles that year. There are RBs who have almost that many already this year.

Oh but it is ok to downplay how good Dak was his rookie year at QB to prop up zeke is a joke.

LOL.. Zeke was second in the league in yards after contact in 2016, second only to Ajayi, while rushing for 5.1 YPA and faced the more STACKED boxes of any RB.

Zeke broke 17 tackles, which was fifth overall that year with 18 the 4th ranked and 19th with Ingram at 3. You make it sound like dude was mediocre. Comparing him to somebody this year is completely asinine, it’s gutter absurd because tackled may include 1 defender or multiple defenders, and when you are facing more stacked boxes your obviously facing more tackles by multiple defenders. And where Zeke really shined us his ability to keep moving forward when is getting tackled, meaning he gets an extra 1 or 2 yards where other RBs wouldn’t.

Uh yeah, it was because of Zeke, which is why they rested him against the Eagles and Dak sucked and why Dak completely SUCKED when Zeke was suspended for 6 games in 2027 and Dak couldn’t even put up double digit scoring against any winning team during that stretch.

 

[FanofJerry]

News Alert

Dak accepting a fat purse using a right hand with warts on it. Sinful aint it?

Whats the current solution to the problem? Cooper isnt it.

 

[khiladi]

I disagree.

You couldnt answer my question. Shame...all you can do is Dak hate with no solution.

Well, I disagree with you. Actually I don’t, because there are plenty of sucky GMs that makes dumb trades, like the Colts for Wentz or Detroit for Goff. So what now? I mean we wouldn’t be in this mess if Jerry listened to me in the first place, so why I gotta clean up his mess?

 

[Nexx]

not elite now, never was elite, never will be elite but hopefully he doesnt have to be with this team as constructed to win the big one.

 

[khiladi]

News Alert

Dak accepting a fat purse using a right hand with warts on it. Sinful aint it?

Whats the current solution to the problem? Cooper isnt it.

Rush indirectly is, as it can force Dak to demand a trade.

 

[khiladi]

I expect an apology as I had to scroll back in time like a thousand pages.

This validated what some have been saying about the quality of the scheme/OL play in Oakland. By the looks of this video, DMC had no chance on the vast majority of his runs. Not to mention that 90% of the plays that I watched had 8 or 9 in the box, this guy really was set up to fail. I can imagine that other backs perhaps padded their statistics in 3rd and long runs or by popping a couple against these looks.​

It was just a horrific display to watch all of his carries. To his credit, he seemed to run with equal determination with each carry. I only really counted maybe 5 plays where I thought that DMC made a poor decision to cut.

I am really curious to see how he fares behind this OL with this scheme with these players around him. I think the Cowboys were exteremely smart and shrewd in getting their hands on this guy.

Ken, Jun 23, 2015

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/all...ushes-all-22-39-25.324615/page-2#post-6161687


Also, i noticed that I argued this point about a hundred times lol Also, shoutout to Xwalker for also seeing it ahead of time, no surprise there as he is one of the few on this board who understand football.

The same XWalker who said Bruce Butler was better than Dez Bryant and with him starting, the offense would take off?

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Who are among the group of elite QBs that Dak is not a part of?

Are Russell Wilson and Justin Herbert in that group?