Was Dak Ever Considered Elite

[FanofJerry]

Even if Dak won the Super Bowl it would then be

"Hes way overpaid"

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I expect an apology as I had to scroll back in time like a thousand pages.

This validated what some have been saying about the quality of the scheme/OL play in Oakland. By the looks of this video, DMC had no chance on the vast majority of his runs. Not to mention that 90% of the plays that I watched had 8 or 9 in the box, this guy really was set up to fail. I can imagine that other backs perhaps padded their statistics in 3rd and long runs or by popping a couple against these looks.​

It was just a horrific display to watch all of his carries. To his credit, he seemed to run with equal determination with each carry. I only really counted maybe 5 plays where I thought that DMC made a poor decision to cut.

I am really curious to see how he fares behind this OL with this scheme with these players around him. I think the Cowboys were exteremely smart and shrewd in getting their hands on this guy.

Ken, Jun 23, 2015

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/all...ushes-all-22-39-25.324615/page-2#post-6161687


Also, i noticed that I argued this point about a hundred times lol Also, shoutout to Xwalker for also seeing it ahead of time, no surprise there as he is one of the few on this board who understand football.

I apoligize, Ken.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Even if Dak won the Super Bowl it would then be

"Hes way overpaid"

The only way Dak Prescott is winning a Super Bowl is if he carried to it like Trent Dilfer. Literally will need a defense that not only causes turnovers but also scores because Dak Prescott isn’t going to do it against the better defenses in the NFL

 

[HMJYay]

In my opinion some have thought of him as elite. I don't believe he ever was. Dak is. 12-18 QB in this league. And those QB's are about all the same. If you put Dak on Detroit to start his career he wouldn't even be in the NFL.

 

[Ken]

LOL.. Zeke was second in the league in yards after contact in 2016, second only to Ajayi, while rushing for 5.1 YPA and faced the more STACKED boxes of any RB.

Zeke broke 17 tackles, which was fifth overall that year with 18 the 4th ranked and 19th with Ingram at 3. You make it sound like dude was mediocre. Comparing him to somebody this year is completely asinine, it’s gutter absurd because tackled may include 1 defender or multiple defenders, and when you are facing more stacked boxes your obviously facing more tackles by multiple defenders. And where Zeke really shined us his ability to keep moving forward when is getting tackled, meaning he gets an extra 1 or 2 yards where other RBs wouldn’t.

Uh yeah, it was because of Zeke, which is why they rested him against the Eagles and Dak sucked and why Dak completely SUCKED when Zeke was suspended for 6 games in 2027 and Dak couldn’t even put up double digit scoring against any winning team during that stretch.

Somehow you think that being 5th in the league and behind a guy like Ajayi is a good thing? He was the 4th overall pick in the draft running behind the best OL in the league.

He should have been the best in the league by quite a margin.

 

[FanofJerry]

Rush indirectly is, as it can force Dak to demand a trade.

Low wage Rush noodle is not better than overpaid Dak. Dak has done it longer and put up better numbers and has at least an average NFL arm which is important.

Rush got a little lucky but should have had 9 INTs during that stretch. 2 INTs per game essentially while producing few points is a GREAT GM move on your part.

 

[HMJYay]

The only way Dak Prescott is winning a Super Bowl is if he carried to it like Trent Dilfer. Literally will need a defense that not only causes turnovers but also scores because Dak Prescott isn’t going to do it against the better defenses in the NFL

Agreed. I don't think it's a aberration that anytime Dak looked good last year the defense had multiple take aways and/or scored points defensively. When a game is put on a Dak he simply doesn't perform. Because he doesn't have the skill set to do so. Jerry and Stephen think paying him will make him elite, but it doesn't work that way.

 

[starfan1]

They went to the SB that year and lost you arguably the greatest defensive backfield in history, definitely greatest defense in this modern era of lasting. What are you even talking about? Im not saying Manning’s SB with Denver was a result of great QB play and not defense.or that he wasn’t great with the Colts.

I was merely saying that he wasn’t the same qb at the end. QBs regress regardless of the reason in this case it was his neck my comments about stats was more of a reflection on how you tend to poo poo stats about a particular qb here in Dallas

it’s all about how stats can suit your agenda and no I don’t think Dak is in no way in same discussion as the hall of famer

 

[shabazz]

Yeah, but only by the screaming early anointers, the people who don't really understand what they are seeing.

…….or it was the “NeverRomo” crowd that was ready to call a ham sandwich elite, since it wasn’t Romo.

 

[FanofJerry]

The only way Dak Prescott is winning a Super Bowl is if he carried to it like Trent Dilfer. Literally will need a defense that not only causes turnovers but also scores because Dak Prescott isn’t going to do it against the better defenses in the NFL

The draft a QB talk and Dak contract hate are so beat to death...put your name on player that Dallas should hypothetically trade for better than Dak

 

[atlantacowboy]

Not outside of Jerry's bubble.

Dak is an average NFL QB. Thats not a bad thing and when he was on his rookie contract, it was luxury to be able to spend money on other positions. Dak gave us a 5 year window to build the rest of the team and compete for Super Bowls. That all changed when he signed his mega deal which recognized him as a top 2 QB in the NFL. He never had a chance to live up to that contract b/c he isn't good enough and now that contract is an anchor that forces us to spend a ton of money on offensive players to make him look better than his talent would suggest.

The dumb thing about his contract is that Dak makes roughly 50M a year in endorsements. That opportunity is only their b/c he is the QB for the Dallas Cowboys, and Jerry/Stephen never bothered using that as leverage in negotiations. Sure Dak, go play for Carolina and see how much of that endorsement money follows you.

 

[Ken]

The same XWalker who said Bruce Butler was better than Dez Bryant and with him starting, the offense would take off?

Nobody is 100%.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I believe Payton manning was elite in Indy I don’t believe he was in Denver at least not by his standards so yes I believe qbs can digress.

brady may very well prove me wrong but he’s had line issues before and sucky receiving cores or average ones

I don’t have a problem giving these HOFs the benefit of the doubt but I do believe the qbs skill set can get worse

that OP is a troll and the biggest Romosexual on the board in fact probably bigger than any board I frequented

so I don’t take anything he says about Dak with too much seriousness
Too much emphasis on where qb ranks what matters is whether he’s good enough to win with and he is

Yes, Manning got old. Thats completely different. Brady is the exception to the rule. And other than old age, QB's dont get worse. Its the players around them that get worse and therefore they cant do their job as well. This is the same thing that happened to Brady his last year in NE. Oline was terrible. As soon as he went to the Bucs he was breaking records again.

 

[FanofJerry]

Not outside of Jerry's bubble.

Dak is an average NFL QB. Thats not a bad thing and when he was on his rookie contract, it was luxury to be able to spend money on other positions. Dak gave us a 5 year window to build the rest of the team and compete for Super Bowls. That all changed when he signed his mega deal which recognized him as a top 2 QB in the NFL. He never had a chance to live up to that contract b/c he isn't good enough and now that contract is an anchor that forces us to spend a ton of money on offensive players to make him look better than his talent would suggest.

The dumb thing about his contract is that Dak makes roughly 50M a year in endorsements. That opportunity is only their b/c he is the QB for the Dallas Cowboys, and Jerry/Stephen never bothered using that as leverage in negotiations. Sure Dak, go play for Carolina and see how much of that endorsement money follows you.

I really doubt if you were in Jerrys shoes with current NFL QB market you would have risked a million dollar job by letting Dak walk. At the time he was playing lights out with good stats on offenses considered very potent. If you had anything of real value on the line like telling your family "I lost my awesome paying job because I thought I was smarter than everyone else instead of playing it safe" you would play it safe. Thats the difference between internet GMs and real GMs...they avoid unnecessary risk. The logic is along the lines of "if it aint broke dont fix it". Dak didnt look broke and has been widely regarded as more than just serviceable around the league.

Let me kill one other group of trolls while Im at it...Dak at 40M per plus Will McClay buying rookie contract groceries can get it done. This team is competitive...coaches need to have good game plans and we avoid the injury bug.

 

[Coy]

He has never been elite, he will never be elite, he's a good and capable QB when everything around him is great..
Big pressure on him this year, if Rush was 4-1 then Dak should have at least a deep playoff run with this team.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

As I’ve said before, there is always a constant re-writing of the narrative regarding Dak. After his putrid last half of the season last year, his biggest fans started flipping the script that they never declared him elite on this board. Without getting in particular posters on this site, among them folks who claimed he was better than Mahomes or Allen, the following article clearly establishes that people were actually challenging the general claim that Dak proved himself elite, meaning this was a common perception that needed to be addressed.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v



The numbers aren’t changing since this article has been written. Even without taking into consideration the win-loss record, Dak is horrible when it comes to TD/INT numbers against quality competition and the stakes are high. 2021 was actually a greater demonstration of this very fact that Dak is a garbage-time QB that is basically in the category of a Goff, though we haven’t seen Dak on a team anywhere near as bad as Detroit. Both of them were horrible on their later progressions and both of them were on good teams, beating up bad opponents.

You can’t claim it’s because of the ‘defense’ he loses.

Why do readers even waste time on this garbage.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Agreed. I don't think it's a aberration that anytime Dak looked good last year the defense had multiple take aways and/or scored points defensively. When a game is put on a Dak he simply doesn't perform. Because he doesn't have the skill set to do so. Jerry and Stephen think paying him will make him elite, but it doesn't work that way.

Which QB's are consistently winning games/playoff games with defenses that don't regularly get takeaways?

 

[Ironicalicon]

No, but he's a good QB. Better than most

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

I try lol. Used to get a bit riled up at these extremist threads but talking to people in real life I see that it’s just a fringe segment of fans who think Dak is bad or he’s elite.

Most of us are reasonable enough to understand that evaluations are not that polar. He’s solid/good, not elite not below average.

I believe you nailed it my friend.

In our society these days there seems to be no room for middle ground, pick any topic. Really odd to me, but I only see it getting worse.

 

[Shane612]

He was never an elite QB, more matter how much some of you guys want to dilute the mean of "elite".