Was Romo's Career "Wasted"?

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Stop embarrassing myself? Please, show me where I said elimination games are the same as regular season and playoff games. I'll wait.

He's exposing an idiotic "made up" game type that was dreamed up to promote a specific bogus agenda. It's very simple to understand. No calculators of slide rules required.
 

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Exactly right.

Hey I'm not 100% sure Romo couldn't have come in for Dak vs. the Packers and not won the game.

BUT based on his track record... Romo wasn't a big-game QB. Why he could do it in the 4th quarter and not in a big game? I dunno. Nerves? Is he better improvising in the moment rather than having to think about what his challenge is next week? I dunno. But the fact was he didn't perform at a high level when it came to big games.
Above comment is FAKE NEWS...Everyone please carry on.
 

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Great post.

People seem to forget that it's been 22 years since a super bowl victory and Romo's career was only 14 years long...this team has been bad for quite a while. If anything, Romo kept them relevant. One of the many reasons Jerry loves Romo. The Cowboys would've been the Browns for the last 10 years if not for #9.
That is so true, people dont realize, without tony we would have been like 2015 every year

And I agree, that tony was good enough, that with good coaching and team mgmt,(real gm) dallas would have won
a SB or 2 with tony.
So IMO he was wasted.


Now to see if they waste Dak too.
They already blew one chance for SB last year.

On that last play of GB game no one cover cook as he came off the line and ran across the field. he had been a rodgers target
in this game and leading up to this game.
so for no one to cover him on that play , is that lack of talent? ? or is it poor coaching?
That is how to lose games.
And the FO blamed the secondary, and let them go.
 

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Anytime your GM admits that he took advantage of Romo's elusiveness by neglecting to draft sufficient o-line help it DOES appear his protection should have been better served. Whether that constitutes "being wasted" or not is just a matter of definition and conjecture.

I think Tony distinguished himself as one of the best QBs the C'boys ever had, despite the impediments by the Dallas FO to afford him better support. He became a millionaire, greatly due to what I consider their somewhat careless generosity. It's merely a matter of personal opinion.
 
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Romo made $127 million.

I wish I could make that much in 14 years and have people ask me if my career was a waste.
No offense, but this is a red herring and irrelevant to the OP. No one to my knowledge is making the claim and arguing for the position that Tony didn't make a lot of money during his tenure and therefore, his career was wasted. Tony made as much as a franchise QB was entitled to make during his time in the league. Tony is a "one percenter" because of the his ability for his particular position in the industry regardless of how many championships he won.
 

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This is all in the past now, and time to move on, but....
Come on now, some of are a bit out bounds if youre sticking with the Romo doesnt play well in big games.

The most recent playoff evidence.

  • He led the entire NFL in PLAYOFF QB RATING in 2014.
  • 4 TDs
  • 0 ints
  • 125.7 QB rating!
  • Game winning drive and TD pass vs Detroit
  • Zero incomplete passes in 2nd half on the road in January vs GB...until the Dez "drop"
How can you say he he didnt play well!?!
:banghead:
Good lord, people.
In what universe is that not playing well...or even great?
 
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Stop embarrassing myself? Please, show me where I said elimination games are the same as regular season and playoff games. I'll wait.

this is nonsense and does not address the core of what he is arguing. You are making an indictment of the team by creating a false categorization and then listing said category with playoff losses.

You may not be saying they are the same but you are clearly using that as a similar basis for fault and blame.

What's doubly sad is you are getting that take from sports radio who first propagated it. Try thinking for yourself instead.
 

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this is nonsense and does not address the core of what he is arguing. You are making an indictment of the team by creating a false categorization and then listing said category with playoff losses.

You may not be saying they are the same but you are clearly using that as a similar basis for fault and blame.

What's doubly sad is you are getting that take from sports radio who first propagated it. Try thinking for yourself instead.
How about you put me on ignore.
 

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Exactly right.

Hey I'm not 100% sure Romo couldn't have come in for Dak vs. the Packers and not won the game.

BUT based on his track record... Romo wasn't a big-game QB. Why he could do it in the 4th quarter and not in a big game? I dunno. Nerves? Is he better improvising in the moment rather than having to think about what his challenge is next week? I dunno. But the fact was he didn't perform at a high level when it came to big games.
I dont know what would've happened either. Dak played fine, imo.

But the most recent and valid data we have with Romo in big games were the playoffs in 2014.
Even that team was probably the most comparable to 2016 as well.

The result was that Romo DID play very well in those two playoff games.
So he WAS a very good to great big game QB in the more recent times that are relevant to the conversation.

He led the league in PLAYOFF passer rating and had a fairly epic late 4th quarter game-winning drive, had 4 TDs and zero ints...and the ball never hit the ground on pass plays in the 2nd half at Green Bay until the Dez play.
How is that not playing well in big games?

Come on Michael, at least be fair about that assessment.

Anyway, all in tne past now.
 

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Not sure 'wasted' is the right word. I think we made some serious mistakes with Romo.

For starters, the entire 'model Romo after Brady because Brady stands all the way back in the pocket and that takes longer for teams to get to the QB' was a very bad mistake. Romo isn't Brady. Different size, different throwing style and different strengths as QB's and throwers. Having a 6'2" QB that throws with a 3/4 delivery isn't a very good idea. Romo was also very deadly when he climbed up the pocket as well. We should have had him follow more of Brees' movement and launch points in the pocket. Brees is a really good screen/swing pass thrower...Romo was poor on those passes, but I think Romo was better throwing on the run than Brees. We essentially needed to use more bootlegs, allow Romo to climb up into the pocket and keep him away from throwing short, underneath passes.

We also started to see that some of the other top QB's could throw a lot of passes and we thought 'Romo = good and more throwing the ball = more good for us!'

Less is more with Romo. The same with Roethlisberger. Romo was always a poor underneath thrower and an excellent intermediate route thrower. His deep ball accuracy wasn't great, but his anticipation was and he could create broken plays to throw to wide open WR's deep as well as having a terrific play action. So while his accuracy deep wasn't great, he had the ability to get WR's more open so his accuracy deep didn't hurt him.

This requires a run game to allow us to make up for Romo's weaknesses as a short route thrower. The run game will also help with the play action and create more 1-on-1 coverages on deep passes to allow us to be more effective on the deep pass. We didn't really develop a run game until 2012 and then we would forget about the run game. That was until 2014.

And I think we fell in love with Romo audibling so much. That will eventually serve to players getting their signals crossed and too slow of a pace on offense is almost as bad of an idea as having a Chip Kelly fast break offense for the entire game. D-Coordinators like Jim Haslett would just blitz Romo and get a read of where he was going with the ball and then set Romo up for a key INT later on.

It's like we saw the other top QB's in the league and decided to follow them instead of working with what Romo does well and what he doesn't do well. Brady was king, so we took his launch point even though he's a different QB. We saw Brees, Brady and Peyton throwing a ton, so we wanted to become a heavy throwing, dink and dunk offense. We saw that Brady and Peyton audible a lot, so Romo should do that as well.

We kind of have the habit of doing this...we tend to try to fit players into what our ideal is instead of seeing if the player can actually do it and if not, adjust to their strengths and hide their weaknesses. We had to make Julius Jones and Felix Jones bigger and it sapped their quickness and speed. We had to make Escobar into a blocker and he couldn't get on the field to be an effective pass receiver.





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I will go you one better... Tony Romo did not "keep" the Cowboys relevant - he MADE them relevant again. People tend to gloss over the state of the quarterback position before Romo became the starter. Quincy, Hutch, Stoerner, Henson, Bledsoe (I'm probably forgetting someone here). It wasn't until Romo was installed as the starter that we started seeing some consistency under center.

Then that OL that was so good in 2007 began to age out and decline, to where by 2009 it was a shell of what it had been. That became painfully evident in the playoffs lost to Minnesota. Romo did not have a terrible game, statistically speaking, but it was far from a great game, too. The fact is he spent the majority of his day throwing from his backside.

Then, as a Cowboys took the next few years to rebuild that offensive line, Romo – largely by himself – kept the teams head above water. There were a lot of times he literally had to take the team on his back. With that game some assumed risks, but you have to take the good with the bad. In my opinion, the good far outweighs the other.

Wow!

"Tony Romo did not "keep" the Cowboys relevant - he MADE them relevant." ...

Is one of the best lines I've ever read.

It should go right under his ROH name in quotes. It's why Jerry will put him in and why nobody will ever wear 9 again in my opinion. I know we don't retire numbers but you won't see 12 or 22 again and I know we give out 88 but Jerry absolutely knows Tony made him a lot of money during his years with us and as he has acknowledged, his biggest regret is not surrounding him with the defense he needed.

Add to that the personal relationship they have developed over the years and the way Tony conducted himself off the field, especially after Quincy, was just what Jerry needed. Off the field he conducted himself with class and professionalism, on the field it was must see TV good or bad and the ratings proved it. Did you know Romo has played in 44 more nationally televised games that Brady, Eli, Roethlisberger and Brees?

You could argue he was the face of the NFL in exposure during his career.

Well done, sir.
 

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I dont know what would've happened either. Dak played fine, imo.

But the most recent and valid data we have with Romo in big games were the playoffs in 2014.
Even that team was probably the most comparable to 2016 as well.

The result was that Romo DID play very well in those two playoff games.
So he WAS a very good to great big game QB in the more recent times that are relevant to the conversation.

He led the league in PLAYOFF passer rating and had a fairly epic late 4th quarter game-winning drive, had 4 TDs and zero ints...and the ball never hit the ground on pass plays in the 2nd half at Green Bay until the Dez play.
How is that not playing well in big games?

Come on Michael, at least be fair about that assessment.

Anyway, all in tne past now.

I think Tony Romo was a wonderful QB.

Probably 3rd overall IMO.

But he's more like Danny White than he was Roger or Troy.

Had a very good playoff run in '14.

I'm not going to dredge up the numbers again from the other 3 playoff runs but they weren't anywhere near as good. I believe all 3 were less than a 90 QB rating, with one less than 70.

In addition 3 times this team had a chance to nail a playoff spot on the final week of the season... The result was 3 losses and Tony didn't shine in any of them.

Again, a very talented QB, but the his season-ends weren't stellar.
 

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Not sure 'wasted' is the right word. I think we made some serious mistakes with Romo.

For starters, the entire 'model Romo after Brady because Brady stands all the way back in the pocket and that takes longer for teams to get to the QB' was a very bad mistake. Romo isn't Brady. Different size, different throwing style and different strengths as QB's and throwers. Having a 6'2" QB that throws with a 3/4 delivery isn't a very good idea. Romo was also very deadly when he climbed up the pocket as well. We should have had him follow more of Brees' movement and launch points in the pocket. Brees is a really good screen/swing pass thrower...Romo was poor on those passes, but I think Romo was better throwing on the run than Brees. We essentially needed to use more bootlegs, allow Romo to climb up into the pocket and keep him away from throwing short, underneath passes.

We also started to see that some of the other top QB's could throw a lot of passes and we thought 'Romo = good and more throwing the ball = more good for us!'

Less is more with Romo. The same with Roethlisberger. Romo was always a poor underneath thrower and an excellent intermediate route thrower. His deep ball accuracy wasn't great, but his anticipation was and he could create broken plays to throw to wide open WR's deep as well as having a terrific play action. So while his accuracy deep wasn't great, he had the ability to get WR's more open so his accuracy deep didn't hurt him.

This requires a run game to allow us to make up for Romo's weaknesses as a short route thrower. The run game will also help with the play action and create more 1-on-1 coverages on deep passes to allow us to be more effective on the deep pass. We didn't really develop a run game until 2012 and then we would forget about the run game. That was until 2014.

And I think we fell in love with Romo audibling so much. That will eventually serve to players getting their signals crossed and too slow of a pace on offense is almost as bad of an idea as having a Chip Kelly fast break offense for the entire game. D-Coordinators like Jim Haslett would just blitz Romo and get a read of where he was going with the ball and then set Romo up for a key INT later on.

It's like we saw the other top QB's in the league and decided to follow them instead of working with what Romo does well and what he doesn't do well. Brady was king, so we took his launch point even though he's a different QB. We saw Brees, Brady and Peyton throwing a ton, so we wanted to become a heavy throwing, dink and dunk offense. We saw that Brady and Peyton audible a lot, so Romo should do that as well.

We kind of have the habit of doing this...we tend to try to fit players into what our ideal is instead of seeing if the player can actually do it and if not, adjust to their strengths and hide their weaknesses. We had to make Julius Jones and Felix Jones bigger and it sapped their quickness and speed. We had to make Escobar into a blocker and he couldn't get on the field to be an effective pass receiver.

Rich, I know you have been critical of him and we have disagreed a lot, but unlike some of the other cheap shot, drive by posters, yours was always analytical and it never felt personal like a recent "good riddance" post which is just ridicules for what he has done for the franchise.

I just want to say that this post is as fair and good of an appraisal of Tony as I've read.



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