Was T.O. worth the trouble last year?

[Doomsday101]

You did not answer either question. What reasons do you think made him not the same as years before?

I think the hand played a part I think adjusting to a different style of offense played a part. At least that is what I hope the difference was.

 

[zrinkill]

I think the hand played a part I think adjusting to a different style of offense played a part. At least that is what I hope the difference was.

Wow ...... look at there ....... we agree

I would also add being 30+

but despite all of that ...... he was the best we have had since Mike in his prime ..... do you agree with that?

 

[Chrissyboy]

Go on then....I can't resist.....I should have this saved somewhere on my clipboard!....

You can't argue that his figures weren't good - they were! Sadly I expected more from him. I also expected him to be a little more savvy with the media because he was now playing for the Cowboys - THE organisation, not just ANY.

I hoped he would obliterate my memory from the tauntings on the star.

He didn't. He played well but let us down on a number of occasions. He even boasted about his lack of commitment - which I can never understand!

How many of the drops are down to the injured finger - hopefully all seeing as he should fully recover. I just don't buy it! I watched him drop ball after ball in camp before claiming that hamstring injury.

I certainly don't hate him. I would love for him to be sensational this year. At the moment, I'm a little sick of his mouth and him thinking he is better than the organisation (some of the public arguments point in that direction).

I still think time must be a great healer because I was displeased with him during the season. Amazing how I can start to forget it all when I don't have his foolishness thrust at me everytime I follow my favourite team.

I'm not intending to get sucked into this perpetual motion machine. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind. I guess we're all venting our spleens.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

TO had a lot of passes thrown his way he better be at the top given the oppertunities he got. It is not just about numbers and that is what your 90% is all about. TO could put up less numbers and do the things I'm talking about and I would be a lot more pleased. It is making plays that change the outcome of the game more than just raw numbers.

frankly dude, I don't believe you'll ever be satisfied w/ TO's play, I think you'll always find something to nitpick about him because you don't like the guy

just be honest here man, you can't stand TO and you would rather he not be a Cowboy

his production w/ the team was the best we've seen from the WR position in years, just you have set some high standards for him to make up for you extreme dislike of him

 

[superpunk]

Wow ...... look at there ....... we agree

I would also add being 30+

but despite all of that ...... he was the best we have had since Mike in his prime ..... do you agree with that?

Was he the best we've seen since Michael in his prime?

Yes. But considering that regimen includes busted up Joey Galloway, Antonio Bryant and Randal Williams, some perspective is necessary.

Does that even come close to approaching what Michael was? whether it be strictly as a player, or what he MEANT to our team, being a dynamic receiver on a team built around the run game?

No. TO doesn't even come close to the kind of player, leader, and clutch performer Michael was.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow ...... look at there ....... we agree

I would also add being 30+

but despite all of that ...... he was the best we have had since Mike in his prime ..... do you agree with that?

Hard to say given the problems we have had on offense. We had QC as a QB did we get the best we could have from our WR's given the play from under center?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No. TO doesn't even come close to the kind of player, leader, and clutch performer Michael was.

I think that's a little unfair as Michael grew into the role as team-leader, there are a special few people who can go to a team, and in their 1st year, be that guy, and we all know TO is a self-centered, insecure man

and TO was never the WR who played in a mid-range, deep-range passing game like Michael was here, he's always played in an O that maximized the short passes, and considering we hardly used TO in the slot, where his run-after-the catch skills are better utilized, it's not suprising we didn't see TO at his explosive best

 

[superpunk]

I think that's a little unfair as Michael grew into the role as team-leader, there are a special few people who can go to a team, and in their 1st year, be that guy, and we all know TO is a self-centered, insecure man

and TO was never the WR who played in a mid-range, deep-range passing game like Michael was here, he's always played in an O that maximized the short passes, and considering we hardly used TO in the slot, where his run-after-the catch skills are better utilized, it's not suprising we didn't see TO at his explosive best

It's true. It is probably unfair - but when I see "best since Michael", I feel the urge to prop up one of my favorite players, opposed to one I'm mostly indifferent towards. (it's like seeing someone say "Julius is the best RB wev'e had since Emmitt in his prime." Well...yeah. Duh. It's just offputting seeing their names together, when one is not nearly the asset the other was.)

Even if TO could have filled out the "clutch" category, my indifference would have been raised to slight admiration. But he failed pretty miserably at being clutch, in any sense of the word. Hope his hand was the cause.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Hope his hand was the cause.

I think it was his hand and playing in an unfamiliar offense that didn't best utilize his skills

 

[zrinkill]

TO doesn't even come close to the kind of player, leader, and clutch performer Michael was.

You will get no argument from me there ...... I do not like the guy.

But he is the best we have right now ...... give me anyone close to him in skill level and I am all for firing his Diva arse .....


I just do not want to take a step back to the Antonio Bryant and Crayton starting days

 

[superpunk]

I think it was his hand and playing in an unfamiliar offense that didn't best utilize his skills

I think I'm not a huge fan of excuses. My hand comment was in regards to his "clutch" ness. Being in a new offense has nothing to do with being smacked in the hands with the ball and dropping it. The hand might - but the hand didn't stop him from catching 60 other passes, or whatever the total was. It's awful convenient that we assume it acted up when we needed it most.

Excuses are so passe...

 

[Chrissyboy]

You will get no argument from me there ...... I do not like the guy.

But he is the best we have right now ...... give me anyone close to him in skill level and I am all for firing his Diva arse .....


I just do not want to take a step back to the Antonio Bryant and Crayton starting days

Christ!!!

I agree 100%..... Probably....... (maybe not with the talent level....but we'll ignore that ).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think I'm not a huge fan of excuses. My hand comment was in regards to his "clutch" ness. Being in a new offense has nothing to do with being smacked in the hands with the ball and dropping it. The hand might - but the hand didn't stop him from catching 60 other passes, or whatever the total was. It's awful convenient that we assume it acted up when we needed it most.

Excuses are so passe...

TO has always dropped a fair share of his passes, why you and everyone else is suprised that he did it here, is beyond me, the hand was a part of that, but it was also his history, which is caused by him looking up the field before he's in possession of the football, there's no excuse for that

just look at the plays where he dropped crucial passes, he's not even looking the ball in, and securing it

the different offense part is me talking about why TO wasn't his explosive self

 

[superpunk]

TO has always dropped a fair share of his passes, why you and everyone else is suprised that he did it here, is beyond me, the hand was a part of that, but it was also his history, which is caused by him looking up the field before he's in possession of the football, there's no excuse for that

just look at the plays where he dropped crucial passes, he's not even looking the ball in, and securing it

Where did I say it surprised me? I've talked many times about his penchant for dropping passes. I could care less if he drops 30 - catch the ones that really matter, and don't act like a dope when you turn in a "heroic" 3 TD performance in a blowout against the Texans.

the different offense part is me talking about why TO wasn't his explosive self

Eh, then it would have helped if you didnt quote the part of my post where I was talking about him being clutch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where did I say it surprised me? I've talked many times about his penchant for dropping passes. I could care less if he drops 30 - catch the ones that really matter, and don't act like a dope when you turn in a "heroic" 3 TD performance in a blowout against the Texans.

then why compare him to Mike Irvin if you know TO isn't the most sure-handed of receivers?

Eh, then it would have helped if you didnt quote the part of my post where I was talking about him being clutch.

you wouldn't know clutch if it gave you a note of introduction, before it slapped you upside of the head w/ a 4X4

 

[superpunk]

then why compare him to Mike Irvin if you know TO isn't the most sure-handed of receivers?

Kind of frustrating....

I laid out how he was not equal to Michael. Clutch is not the same thing as sure-handed. Earlier in his career, in a playoff game against Green Bay, Owens had dropped several first-half passes. He implored the QB (Young, I believe) to keep throwing to him, he would make it worth it. He wrapped up the game by making one of the MOST clutch catches anyone will ever see.

On that day, Owens was not sure-handed.

But he was clutch. And ultimately, that's what's important (to me), not making a few TD grabs in a blowout.

So, like I said already (continually having to reiterate what I *actually* said...) if he had been more clutch, my opinion would have been raised from indifference, to slight admiration. Instead, not only was he not sure-handed, but he was not clutch. Which really isn't going to raise anyone's opinion of him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I know the numbers looked good but . . .

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I repeat: Not even 20% responded negatively to T.O. in the poll, but, but, but, but, is all you T.O. haters can say.

But your butts. Get over it. T.O. is among the best in the NFL and can go another 5 years before his skills decline.
He'll be a star long after you (small group of) haters comes to its senses, but that would be too much to ask of you but, but, but, but crowd.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

superpunk, TO dropped at least 1 crucial pass last year because he looked up the field before securing the football, you can't be a clutch receiver if you aren't the most reliable, it goes hand in hand, no pun intended

and 1 crucial play, 9 years ago, means squat

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It's true. It is probably unfair - but when I see "best since Michael", I feel the urge to prop up one of my favorite players, opposed to one I'm mostly indifferent towards. (it's like seeing someone say "Julius is the best RB wev'e had since Emmitt in his prime." Well...yeah. Duh. It's just offputting seeing their names together, when one is not nearly the asset the other was.)

Even if TO could have filled out the "clutch" category, my indifference would have been raised to slight admiration. But he failed pretty miserably at being clutch, in any sense of the word. Hope his hand was the cause.

I bet you monitor the police scanner to keep up with your favorite player.:laugh1:

 

[Doomsday101]

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I repeat: Not even 20% responded negatively to T.O. in the poll, but, but, but, but, is all you T.O. haters can say.

But your butts. Get over it. T.O. is among the best in the NFL and can go another 5 years before his skills decline.
He'll be a star long after you (small group of) haters comes to its senses, but that would be too much to ask of you but, but, but, but crowd.

I could careless about some poll, I made a comment I feel is a true statement not excuses or some coddling of TO. Anyone who has watched his career knows he has been a guy who can make the clutch plays. This past season for Dallas he was not making the clutch plays. Number are great but making the play when the team needs it the most is what clutch players do and what Owens has done in the past. I may not like him but I do expect to get those types of plays from him. So please sit back and call me a hater and turn a blind eye to truth but if watched any of Owens career you would understand what I'm referring to.