Was T.O. worth the trouble last year?

[superpunk]

superpunk, TO dropped at least 1 crucial pass last year because he looked up the field before securing the football, you can't be a clutch receiver if you aren't the most reliable, it goes hand in hand, no pun intended

and 1 crucial play, 9 years ago, means squat

You can't comprehend it.

Never mind.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You can't comprehend it.

Never mind.

I can, you want TO to be clutch, but the problem is, he's not

 

[Doomsday101]

I can, you want TO to be clutch, but the problem is, he's not

He has been in the past, he made the big plays that changed games in Philly and SF he has been clutch in the past. I'm willing to say the hand could have been a big part of it but what ever the reason may be does not change the fact that he did not come up with many clutch plays for us this past season and I hope that changes this season.

 

[FLcowboy]

For those who read this thread to the very last, I offer the following, which I post to a friend who is an Eagles fan, and still makes fun of T.O. tearing up the Cowboys locker room: I apologize for the formating, but you can sort of figure it out. There wasn't an Eagle player in the top 30 receivers last year.

Rank Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long
1 Chad Johnson CIN 87 1369 15.7 7 74
2 Marvin Harrison IND 95 1366 14.4 12 68
3 Reggie Wayne IND 86 1310 15.2 9 51
4 Roy Williams DET 82 1310 16.0 7 60
5 Donald Driver GB 92 1295 14.1 8 82
6 Lee Evans BUF 82 1292 15.8 8 83
7 Anquan Boldin ARI 83 1203 14.5 4 64
8 Torry Holt STL 93 1188 12.8 10 67
9 Terrell Owens DAL 85 1180 13.9 13 56
10 Steve Smith CAR 83 1166 14.0 8 72
11 Andre Johnson HOU 103 1147 11.1 5 53
12 Laveranues Coles NYJ 91 1098 12.1 6 58
13 Isaac Bruce STL 74 1098 14.8 3 45
14 Mike Furrey DET 98 1086 11.1 6 31
15 Javon Walker DEN 69 1084 15.7 8 83
16 T.J. HoushmandzadehCIN 90 1081 12.0 9 40
17 Joey Galloway TB 62 1057 17.0 7 64
18 Terry Glenn DAL 70 1047 15.0 6 54
19 Marques Colston NO 70 1038 14.8 8 86
20 Plaxico Burress NYG 63 988 15.7 10 55
21 Hines Ward PIT 74 975 13.2 6 70
22 Jerricho CotcheryNYJ 82 961 11.7 6 71
23 Darrell Jackson SEA 63 956 15.2 10 72
24 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 69 946 13.7 6 57
25 Mark Clayton BAL 67 939 14.0 5 87
26 Antonio Gates SD 71 924 13.0 9 57
27 Tony Gonzalez KC 73 900 12.3 5 57
28 Braylon Edwards CLE 61 884 14.5 6 75
29 Kellen Winslow CLE 89 875 9.8 3 40
30 Muhsin MuhammadCHI 60 863 14.4 5 40

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He has been in the past, he made the big plays that changed games in Philly and SF he has been clutch in the past. I'm willing to say the hand could have been a big part of it but what ever the reason may be does not change the fact that he did not come up with many clutch plays for us this past season and I hope that changes this season.

outside of the Steve Young TD, and the catch and run to beat the Giants in the playoffs, TO hasn't been known for being clutch

 

[Doomsday101]

outside of the Steve Young TD, and the catch and run to beat the Giants in the playoffs, TO hasn't been known for being clutch

I disagree, he came up with many big plays in SF and in Philly and helped change games.

 

[Dallas]

I am still trying to figure out.


What trouble?


When he was playing. He was fine. When he was not playing. He was still fine. The pill overdose was NOT a distraction to this team. The antics he was doing during training camp was NOT a distraction to the team.

Worth the trouble?

Someone needs a poll that is legit. Oh I dont know. Was the 13 TD's and 1200 yards worth the $$? That is a more legit poll.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I disagree, he came up with many big plays in SF and in Philly and helped change games.

13 TDs aren't big plays? or are you talking about clutch-big plays?

 

[Doomsday101]

13 TDs aren't big plays? or are you talking about clutch-big plays?

I'm talking clutch plays and yes I saw many times in Philly and SF when they needed a big play TO would make the big play. I'm not talking last second TD as much as game altering plays that would break the back of the opposing teams. I know he is capable of it because I have seen it too often in the past. I may not care for the man but I do understand his abilities. If this was just hate on my part I could do like some others and say TO best days are gone and or he has lost it that is not the case, I expect more because I have seen it from him. We can talk raw numbers all day but there comes a point in games when it is critical that someone steps up and makes the play and I did not see enough of that from TO this past season. If people want to take this as trashing TO then so be it but that is not the intention

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I could careless about some poll, I made a comment I feel is a true statement not excuses or some coddling of TO. Anyone who has watched his career knows he has been a guy who can make the clutch plays. This past season for Dallas he was not making the clutch plays. Number are great but making the play when the team needs it the most is what clutch players do and what Owens has done in the past. I may not like him but I do expect to get those types of plays from him. So please sit back and call me a hater and turn a blind eye to truth but if watched any of Owens career you would understand what I'm referring to.

Fergit it. The lines have blurred so much on this thread. Yes, there is something to be said about clutch plays. And making what one thinks is a true statement or point. Don't pay no mind to me. I just got caught up in the moment.
Some times we get too rabid and forgit it's just a game. . . . just a game!!!
I'm OK now, I just lost track of my priorities. NFL football is life!!!!:laugh1:

 

[WV Cowboy]

If we are going to be totally unfair and compare Owens to our favorite Cowboys WR MI, let's at least be fair enough to remember Owens never had HOF QB Troy Aikman getting him the ball, or HOF RB Emmitt Smith occupying the safeties.

Like him or not, Owens has been and still is a great NFL WR.

Some of you don't like him, I get it.

You don't need to try and justify why you don't like him by pointing out reason why he isn't perfect.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm talking clutch plays and yes I saw many times in Philly and SF when they needed a big play TO would make the big play. I'm not talking last second TD as much as game altering plays that would break the back of the opposing teams. I know he is capable of it because I have seen it too often in the past. I may not care for the man but I do understand his abilities. If this was just hate on my part I could do like some others and say TO best days are gone and or he has lost it that is not the case, I expect more because I have seen it from him. We can talk raw numbers all day but there comes a point in games when it is critical that someone steps up and makes the play and I did not see enough of that from TO this past season. If people want to take this as trashing TO then so be it but that is not the intention

the only clutch plays I can remember TO producing were the Steve Young catch to beat the Packers, and the catch and run to spark the comeback victory against the Gaints in the divisional playoffs a few years back

I know he had some great days, like catching an NFL record 22 passes and coming back in the Super Bowl to catch 122 yards worth of passes, but I wouldn't consider those clutch moreso than TO just catching alot of passes

 

[Doomsday101]

the only clutch plays I can remember TO producing were the Steve Young catch to beat the Packers, and the catch and run to spark the comeback victory against the Gaints in the divisional playoffs a few years back

I know he had some great days, like catching an NFL record 22 passes and coming back in the Super Bowl to catch 122 yards worth of passes, but I wouldn't consider those clutch moreso than TO just catching alot of passes

I'm done, you don't get what I saying and I'm tried of going over the same old ground.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm done, you don't get what I saying and I'm tried of going over the same old ground.

WAAAAAAAH

 

[Doomsday101]

WAAAAAAAH

We just don't agree is that better?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We just don't agree is that better?

I don't give a crap, you people are too sensitive

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't give a crap, you people are too sensitive

Not sensitive just tired of trying to explain myself. I'll take the blame for that. :laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not sensitive just tired of trying to explain myself. I'll take the blame for that. :laugh2:

what's to explain? you say the same thing, damn near everytime you get into a TO discussion

 

[Doomsday101]

what's to explain? you say the same thing, damn near everytime you get into a TO discussion

And you still don't get it, your right I'll stop trying to explain it to you.

 

[Concord]

I'm glad Owens is on the team.

Didn't really see any trouble coming from him last year.

It will be interesting to see Owens this year with a coach that has publicly stated that he wants him and is part of the family and won't just ignore him and act like he's not there.

And have a coach that will actually say his name.