Washington is great example how quickly Cowboys could turn it around

[MountaineerCowboy]

Ok then. Jethro supporter. Lol

That’s fine, Dak fan.

 

[TWOK11]

So now you say Dak is a future HOF QB. Wow professional help is needed here.

Nope, never said that. I was using it as a frame of reference.

 

[Diehardblues]

That’s fine, Dak fan.

I’m a fan of all Cowboy players. Would I like a greater QB, of course . Same as with Romo era .

But not recognizing our core issue is in the sky box who makes these decisions on personnel is a grave oversight.

Dak is here cause our owner thinks he’s Elite. Which most of us know he isn’t. That should make Jethro the biggest problem even in your book .

 

[TWOK11]

Jerry is a better owner/GM than Dak is a QB.

He's won, multiple times, at his job.

Jerry is the best owner in the history of professional sports. He’s an awful GM, I’d argue one of the worst ever, but he also hasn’t been the GM in practice for a decade.

So he’s certainly a better owner than Dak is QB, but to say his time as the true personnel decision maker was better than Dak’s tenure as QB is just not a rational position.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry is the best owner in the history of professional sports. He’s an awful GM, I’d argue one of the worst ever, but he also hasn’t been the GM in practice for a decade.

So he’s certainly a better owner than Dak is QB, but to say his time as the true personnel decision maker was better than Dak’s tenure as QB is just not a rational position.

If you refuse to stand down and hire more capable GM’s then you’re not being a great owner.

He was a great owner initially by naming Jimmy and providing him total football control.

And he had historical success as a result . Since making his worst decision, not so much.

 

[rambo2]

All it took was new ownership, new leadership in FO, coaching and of course insert of talent and top drafted QB.

Lions turned it around as well but it took a couple more years.

Washington’s turn around in one season is the new standard but exemplifies it can be done . But major changes are needed from the top down.

With players like Parsons and Lamb and picks 12 and 44 they can turn it around. They just need to use their cap space.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dak is 8th all time in passer rating, 10th all time in QBR, 11th all time in adjusted passing efficiency, 5th all time in 4th quarter QBR, has the 5th best record against teams that finished .500 or better in the last 25 years, etc. The number of data points that show Dak is, at a minimum, a quality NFL starting QB are numerous.

With respect to his playoff record, it’s an issue. An issue lots of good to great QBs have had in history. But an important caveat is that Dak has the third worst average defensive performance of any QB in history with at least 4 playoff starts. He has 7 playoff starts and his defense has been nothing short of abysmal in 4 of them, and he played well in 2 of those games. He won 2 of the other 3 games. The only games that you can reasonably argue even COULD have been different had Dak played better are the two SF losses. Additionally, fans seem to not recognize that all QBs ever see a dramatic drop in their QBR in the postseason and Dak still has a WELL above average postseason QBR. For reference, if he retired today, Dak has a better QBR in the playoffs than half the current QBs in the HOF or pending HOF locks from the SB era.

I really don't want to look at these up, because just looking at your 1st point about passer rating is laughable.

Dak is behind Deshaun Watson and basically tied with Tua and Jimmy G for passer rating all time. That means you must think they are all time greats also?

I guarantee every one of the stats you posted has Dak behind or tied with bums like that.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’m a fan of all Cowboy players. Would I like a greater QB, of course . Same as with Romo era .

But not recognizing our core issue is in the sky box who makes these decisions on personnel is a grave oversight.

Dak is here cause our owner thinks he’s Elite. Which most of us know he isn’t. That should make Jethro the biggest problem even in your book .

You were happy as a lark the day Dak signed.

We remember.

 

[Diehardblues]

With players like Parsons and Lamb and picks 12 and 44 they can turn it around. They just need to use their cap space.

We’ll see.

 

[Diehardblues]

You were happy as a lark the day Dak signed.

We remember.

I was happy cause I was right in my argument for months that we would resign him. Something you totally were wrong about.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I was happy cause I was right in my argument for months that we would resign him. Something you totally were wrong about.

You cared more about being right than the Cowboys doing what is best for the the team.

Congrats, bro!

 

[KJJ]

It took Washington more than two decades to turn it around and it’s because it appears they landed a generational QB. If it wasn’t for Daniels, they would’ve been sitting home for the playoffs once again. Daniells may end up being better than Mahomes. He may already be better. It’s ridiculous how good he is.

 

[Diehardblues]

You cared more about being right than the Cowboys doing what is best for the the team.

Congrats, bro!

I’m more about having greater instincts and insight into what our horrific owner will do .

And I was spot on throughout how it would play out.

You misinterpreted as support for Dak.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’m more about having greater instincts and insight into what our horrific owner will do .

And I was spot on throughout how it would play out.

We remember how happy you were when Dak signed, bro.

You made a whole thread about it.

Congrats, bro!

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It took Washington more than two decades to turn it around and it’s because it appears they landed a generational QB. If it wasn’t for Daniels, they would’ve been sitting home for the playoffs once again. Daniells may end up being better than Mahomes. He may already be better. It’s ridiculous how good he is.

And if Snyder was still the owner they would be just as good BECAUSE of Daniels.

Jerry can do it too if he'd take the QB position seriously.

 

[Diehardblues]

It took Washington more than two decades to turn it around and it’s because it appears they landed a generational QB. If it wasn’t for Daniels, they would’ve been sitting home for the playoffs once again. Daniells may end up being better than Mahomes. He may already be better. It’s ridiculous how good he is.

No doubt their QB was a huge reason for turn around. But we have to give credit for the changes made in ownership, FO and coaching to make those personnel decisions.

 

[Diehardblues]

We remember how happy you were when Dak signed, bro.

You made a whole thread about it.

Congrats, bro!

And I was right. You were wrong.

But trolls don’t care. They even lie about not coming back. How’s the weather up in West Virginia?

 

[Landryhat73]

Dak is 8th all time in passer rating, 10th all time in QBR, 11th all time in adjusted passing efficiency, 5th all time in 4th quarter QBR, has the 5th best record against teams that finished .500 or better in the last 25 years, etc. The number of data points that show Dak is, at a minimum, a quality NFL starting QB are numerous.

With respect to his playoff record, it’s an issue. An issue lots of good to great QBs have had in history. But an important caveat is that Dak has the third worst average defensive performance of any QB in history with at least 4 playoff starts. He has 7 playoff starts and his defense has been nothing short of abysmal in 4 of them, and he played well in 2 of those games. He won 2 of the other 3 games. The only games that you can reasonably argue even COULD have been different had Dak played better are the two SF losses. Additionally, fans seem to not recognize that all QBs ever see a dramatic drop in their QBR in the postseason and Dak still has a WELL above average postseason QBR. For reference, if he retired today, Dak has a better QBR in the playoffs than half the current QBs in the HOF or pending HOF locks from the SB era.

It hard to argue facts on a message board:
Goff is probably being destroyed on a Detroit message board right now
Herbert last week - but San Diego might not have a fan base for one
Either Jackson or Allen can’t win when it matters after tonight’s game.
Think we need the hundredth Dak sucks thread!

 

[KJJ]

And if Snyder was still the owner they would be just as good BECAUSE of Daniels.

Jerry can do it too if he'd take the QB position seriously.

Daniels has clearly been the difference. Snyder was a terrible owner, but he never had a QB. When it appeared he finally found one in RG3 his team went 10-6 and made the playoffs. RG3’s injury derailed them in postseason and it was downhill from there. When RG3 declined so did the team. Washington has never had a QB in their entire history as good as Daniels. He’s amazing!

 

[TWOK11]

I really don't want to look at these up, because just looking at your 1st point about passer rating is laughable.

Dak is behind Deshaun Watson and basically tied with Tua and Jimmy G for passer rating all time. That means you must think they are all time greats also?

I guarantee every one of the stats you posted has Dak behind or tied with bums like that.

I’m impressed you managed to make a post that was both relatively cordial (by your standards) and longer than two sentences.

Progress