We are stuck in purgatory at this point with Dak

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We are talking about CowboyRoy and his desire to blame the defense, in part, for the loss. Some losses are a team loss. The Commanders loss at the end of the year was a team loss. The offense sucked, the defense got lit up, etc. Sometimes one side carries the other. Take the Eagles win. Offense and Dak played great. The defense got shredded by Minshew.

But sometimes, when you lose, the responsibility is limited and not a "team" loss.

The defense played more than well enough to win on Sunday. They did their job. They held the 49ers, who had been averaging close to 35 points over the 2nd half of the NFL season to 19. They limited the big plays. They kept Deebo Samuel in check. They held the San Fran run game in check for much of the game until they got worn down at the end.

Trying to hoist some blame on the defense for Sunday is simply just trying to shift responsibilty away from Dak. It's patently obvious to anyone who isn't in the tank for Dak and spending the days after a poor performance trying to find excuses for him.
You take issue with blaming anyone but the QB because it's limited and not a team loss?

Do you know how silly that idea is?

I get it, there are some over the top Dak homers, but no one can be taken seriously, as a reasonable football fan that holds on tight to only blaming Dak.

The defense did NOT do their job, that's a fact! Because they held them in the 1st half, they're off the hook in the 2nd?
The defense was lame in the 2nd half. Missed turnover opportunities, etc.
Their running game literally put he game just out of reach.
The defense couldn't make the important stops in the red zone. Much like the offense couldn't do anything.

Excuses, as you call them, isn't shifting blame from Dak like you think. It's taking a look at the entire team and being fair. Excuses are simply factors you don't consider in you bubble.
 
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Only those with the lowest of low football IQs would blame the Dallas defense for that loss.
How is it low football IQ to distribute blame to the whole team, but only blaming the QB isn't?

What football IQ are you speaking of?
 

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Your theory that Dak is backup material has been destroyed. 300 yards and 5 TD's in his best performace ever against Brady and the bucs. A game you predicted we would lose.

See, we can all cherry pick.
Since you are making accusations yet again in your delusional mind show me where I said Dak was a back-up QB and I predicted Dallas loses to TB......you make crap up all the time.

The facts are I and many others have been saying Dak needs to go and after the game against SF many professionals are saying something similar. Funny how you point to TB, an 8-9 weak team barely in the playoffs as your proof Dak is a great QB yet the game before and after show what he truly has been this season.

Keep praying to Dak.
 

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How is it low football IQ to distribute blame to the whole team, but only blaming the QB isn't?

What football IQ are you speaking of?
The Dallas defense shut down the SF weapons and held SF to 19 points......of which 6 came off of Dak's 2 INT's.....and Dak could only lead Dallas to 12 points....so it wasn't a team loss as even Parsons said they should have won.
 

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You take issue with blaming anyone but the QB because it's limited and not a team loss?

Do you know how silly that idea is?

I get it, there are some over the top Dak homers, but no one can be taken seriously, as a reasonable football fan that holds on tight to only blaming Dak.

The defense did NOT do their job, that's a fact! Because they held them in the 1st half, they're off the hook in the 2nd?
The defense was lame in the 2nd half. Missed turnover opportunities, etc.
Their running game literally put he game just out of reach.
The defense couldn't make the important stops in the red zone. Much like the offense couldn't do anything.

Excuses, as you call them, isn't shifting blame from Dak like you think. It's taking a look at the entire team and being fair. Excuses are simply factors you don't consider in you bubble.
Stop.

The single biggest reason they lost to San Fran was the QB play.

Sure, there were little issues. Maher ganking another XP was bad and could have hurt us. Barr wasn't all that good again. Schultz had some braindead plays. We picked up some bad penalties. I don't think coaching was a huge bright spot in that game.

But at the end of the day, the guy who played worse than just about anyone, the guy who is expected to be one of our better players was the QB. This wasn't a team loss in the sense that there were breakdowns everywhere. The Commanders game was a team loss. In this game, our QB really hurt us. It's really not much more complicated than that.

Sitting here and saying the defense was "lame" in the 2nd half only giving up 10 points to one of the highest scoring offenses in the league is absolutely trying to shift blame. The defense did what they were supposed to do. They held the San Fran offense in check. The didn't let their weapons run wild. They got off the field.
 

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Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.
And the sad part is that we have a really good team, very close to super bowl quality.

Wonder if the Raiders would trade straight up for Carr?
 

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Since you are making accusations yet again in your delusional mind show me where I said Dak was a back-up QB and I predicted Dallas loses to TB......you make crap up all the time.

The facts are I and many others have been saying Dak needs to go and after the game against SF many professionals are saying something similar. Funny how you point to TB, an 8-9 weak team barely in the playoffs as your proof Dak is a great QB yet the game before and after show what he truly has been this season.

Keep praying to Dak.
LOL......after Tampa they were calling Dak one of the best. Just one week media flip flopping.

And no two games down erase and entire season and the best peformance of all time for him in a playoff game or other.

Im sure you will keep pushing your laughable agenda a cherry picking and Ill keep putting you in your place.

Cowboys 12-5 back to back seasons, won a playoff game this year with Dak having his most clutch performance ever.

Niners game proved one thing. This team still isnt good enough to beat the Niners.
 

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Stop.

The single biggest reason they lost to San Fran was the QB play.

Sure, there were little issues. Maher ganking another XP was bad and could have hurt us. Barr wasn't all that good again. Schultz had some braindead plays. We picked up some bad penalties. I don't think coaching was a huge bright spot in that game.

But at the end of the day, the guy who played worse than just about anyone, the guy who is expected to be one of our better players was the QB. This wasn't a team loss. Our QB really hurt us. It's really not any more complicated than that.
There is just no defense for Dak in that game. He was awful.
 

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Stop.

The single biggest reason they lost to San Fran was the QB play.

Sure, there were little issues. Maher ganking another XP was bad and could have hurt us. Barr wasn't all that good again. Schultz had some braindead plays. We picked up some bad penalties. I don't think coaching was a huge bright spot in that game.

But at the end of the day, the guy who played worse than just about anyone, the guy who is expected to be one of our better players was the QB. This wasn't a team loss. Our QB really hurt us. It's really not any more complicated than that.
Stop? No, I don't think I will. Your hypocrisy is oozing out a bit.
You went from "It's all Dak's fault" to "The single biggest reason." Lol!
Then, you continue to make a list of other factors in the loss.
That's the definition of a team loss.
It's WAY more complicated than you understand or will admit.

I gotta run, I know where this attempt at a discussion will end up. Have a good day.
 

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And the sad part is that we have a really good team, very close to super bowl quality.

Wonder if the Raiders would trade straight up for Carr?
Not good enough. Are you serious about Carr? Isn't that a lateral move according to fans here?
I'd get him for insurance, but we have to start focusing on the entire picture. We have a really good team that wasn't prepared and it was evident at all 3 phases.
 

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LOL......after Tampa they were calling Dak one of the best. Just one week media flip flopping.

And no two games down erase and entire season and the best peformance of all time for him in a playoff game or other.

Im sure you will keep pushing your laughable agenda a cherry picking and Ill keep putting you in your place.

Cowboys 12-5 back to back seasons, won a playoff game this year with Dak having his most clutch performance ever.

Niners game proved one thing. This team still isnt good enough to beat the Niners.
...and Dallas LOST a divisional game because Dak had one of the worst playoff games of his career....and the only one calling Dak one of the best was you...and some of your other Dak cult members.....so keep settling for mediocrity.
 

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The Dallas defense shut down the SF weapons and held SF to 19 points......of which 6 came off of Dak's 2 INT's.....and Dak could only lead Dallas to 12 points....so it wasn't a team loss as even Parsons said they should have won.
So we can only blame an INT from Dak, but not the defense opening like the red sea as McCaffery scores a TD, right?
That's not shut down.
 

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Stop? No, I don't think I will. Your hypocrisy is oozing out a bit.
You went from "It's all Dak's fault" to "The single biggest reason." Lol!
Then, you continue to make a list of other factors in the loss.
That's the definition of a team loss.
It's WAY more complicated than you understand or will admit.

I gotta run, I know where this attempt at a discussion will end up. Have a good day.
Oh so now we are playing semantics?

Dak's play cost us the win. Dak's fault, single biggest reasons, it's all the same. Dak's play cost us a W. Yes, it's really not anymore complicated than that. But I get it, the Dak fanboy club has really gotta work hard to minimize his effect on the game Sunday.
 

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Not good enough. Are you serious about Carr? Isn't that a lateral move according to fans here?
I'd get him for insurance, but we have to start focusing on the entire picture. We have a really good team that wasn't prepared and it was evident at all 3 phases.
I truly have no idea if Carr would be a lateral move or not. However, what we do know is that Dak just isn't it. Our team outplayed the 49ers. Dak playing very badly was the deciding factor. When the idea is moving on from a player, a replacement must be had. Carr is just one idea.

Problem is, this team is a hair away from super bowl quality. Dak's and Z's contracts are going to keep us from making that hair jump.

I did not see this unprepared team. We repeatedly knocked them in the teeth. Shut down their running game. Held their O to 1 ref aided TD. Excellent performance by this team, sabotaged by terrible QB play.
 

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...and Dallas LOST a divisional game because Dak had one of the worst playoff games of his career....and the only one calling Dak one of the best was you...and some of your other Dak cult members.....so keep settling for mediocrity.
BWAAAAAAA!!! I never called Dak one of the best.

Keep crying and lying. Most QB's take a dump against the Niners D.

12-5 and the 2nd round is mediocrity? Poory guy.
 

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Oh so now we are playing semantics?

Dak's play cost us the win. Dak's fault, single biggest reasons, it's all the same. Dak's play cost us a W. Yes, it's really not anymore complicated than that. But I get it, the Dak fanboy club has really gotta work hard to minimize his effect on the game Sunday.
Dak, Dak, Dak....................WAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Cut Dak and go with Rush. Lets trade for Purdy.........WAAAAAA!!!! LOL
 

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“Cherry pick” is the phrase of the day defending his play…funny considering they are cherry picking 1 out of his last 5 and can’t respond regarding a guy who played 12 games and led the league in interceptions. I just don’t get why there is so much extremism. @Sydia laid out a very down the middle, non extreme post. People do know you can think Dak has some great abilities and games but that he had a bad game that made a difference and slipped this season right?
 

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BWAAAAAAA!!! I never called Dak one of the best.

Keep crying and lying. Most QB's take a dump against the Niners D.

12-5 and the 2nd round is mediocrity? Poory guy.
Fact is....we had a good chance. We lost mostly because of poor qb play. Everyone knows it....but you. Everyone else are idiots?
Gotta admire your tenacity. Impressive.
 
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