We are stuck in purgatory at this point with Dak

[CowboyRoy]

They can win despite his salary. They are ahead big time on Parsons rookie deal so that alone should even it out.

They just need to stop thinking that since Prescott is paid like an elite QB that they have to put so much on him. They need to reel him in and focus on becoming a running team with a great defense.

They are damn close to that and it’s entirely possible that change could happen over one off season, but I doubt that’s Jerry’s line of thinking. He wants to win, but also his way, which includes offensive stars and forced ROI on the decisions he has made.

And honestly, he is in way over his head with trying to be GM at age 80 and it has to end. The kid may not be any better but there’s at least hope he will change some things, or be forced to deal with ridicule that his old man would let bead off him…or get people fired over if it was too true.

Dak is NOT Mahomes. So yah you either need a run game to compliment or a shut down D or both.

 

[G2]

Where have you been? Someone that understands football. Stick around please!!

I just wish people had more appreciation for something they have ZERO control of and very little knowledge other than "This guy sucks" or "Cut this guy."
Remember 1989? A good place to reminisce about how incredibly difficult it is to just win one game in the NFL.

 

[Sydla]

Lay that to rest unless you are going to complain that Dallas didn't do a better job of building the team around Dak and Elliott when they were on their rookie contracts with "money to get better" as they like to claim. That's the nucleus of the issues. The owner cannot take advantage of open windows, then they close and it's too late.
They ignored the RB position for a couple of years knowing that Elliott is worn. They didn't bring in any WRs to help. And never have taken a legit hard look at DT.

For the record, don't count me as some sort of defender of Jerry. You are right. They needed to do a better job of taking advantage of those years when their two best offensive players were playing on rookie contracts. They failed Dak that year they thought Allen Hurns and company was good enough at WR. They pulled a similar stunt this year when they dumped Cooper and then said Gallup and Tolbert and Washington were going to be good enough (and FWIW, CowboyRoy defended the WR moves).

 

[CowboyRoy]

I've been hiding a lot?

If Dak threw for 300 yards and 3 TDs and had a rating of 114 Sunday and we lost? I would most certainly not blame Dak. Because in that case, there would be a clear issue - the defense just got beat up.

Like there was a clear issue here - the QB just sucked Sunday.

And let's be clear here. I praised Dak for his game last week. I said in multiple threads if that's the Dak they get the rest of the playoffs, they absolutely can make a run here. But I also said the problem is that you just don't know which Dak you are going to get game to game. That has been proven over this season where he's looked great one week and then terrible another. We saw that in the last month and a half. His performances were all over the map.

Unfortunately for the Cowboys, he wasn't able to carry over from the Tampa game, instead just continued his up and down play.

Cmon, last year you blamed it all on Dak as well. No different than THIS year. Identical. This year you actually have a point finally.

THAT being said............AGAIN, it was against the #1 defense in the NFL without Pollard for the critical 2nd half.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Lay that to rest unless you are going to complain that Dallas didn't do a better job of building the team around Dak and Elliott when they were on their rookie contracts with "money to get better" as they like to claim. That's the nucleus of the issues. The owner cannot take advantage of open windows, then they close and it's too late.
They ignored the RB position for a couple of years knowing that Elliott is worn. They didn't bring in any WRs to help. And never have taken a legit hard look at DT.

All true, FO is a problem and have created this QB problem..again Dak can not play that way and get paid what he is now paid and the team win... so while i get we missed a golden opportunity we are aslo in a bad QB situation if he can not play better in those games....Both can be true.

 

[kskboys]

For the record, don't count me as some sort of defender of Jerry. You are right. They needed to do a better job of taking advantage of those years when their two best offensive players were playing on rookie contracts. They failed Dak that year they thought Allen Hurns and company was good enough at WR. They pulled a similar stunt this year when they dumped Cooper and then said Gallup and Tolbert and Washington were going to be good enough (and FWIW, CowboyRoy defended the WR moves).

And don't forget the horrific drafting of Taco, Jaylon, and Hill, and the really stupid kneejerk trade for Cooper. Those type moves keep setting us back.

 

[fivetwos]

Dak is NOT Mahomes. So yah you either need a run game to compliment or a shut down D or both.

Someone needs to tell Dak that lol.

I can just imagine what Jerry fills his head with during small talk.

It’s not good, and it’s shameful. The family needs to keep him away, but good luck.

I wouldn’t at all bet against him ruining yet another roster capable of doing some good things.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I just wish people had more appreciation for something they have ZERO control of and very little knowledge other than "This guy sucks" or "Cut this guy."
Remember 1989? A good place to reminisce about how incredibly difficult it is to just win one game in the NFL.

Amazing how quickly they forget what Jerry was like trying to find the next QB after Aikman. I can never forget the Quincy Carter debacle that Jerry forced on this franchise. Ill take Romo and Dak all day long as a gift.

 

[Sydla]

I just wish people had more appreciation for something they have ZERO control of and very little knowledge other than "This guy sucks" or "Cut this guy."
Remember 1989? A good place to reminisce about how incredibly difficult it is to just win one game in the NFL.

Dak doesn't suck. He just sucked on Sunday. I've never claims he's a **** QB.

And at this point, he shouldn't be cut. One, they have no other options. Two, the cost to dump him is too high. But that doesn't mean the Cowboys shouldn;t start thinking now that they might need to start looking at options over the next couple of years.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Someone needs to tell Dak that lol.

I can just imagine what Jerry fills his head with during small talk.

It’s not good, and it’s shameful. The family needs to keep him away, but good luck.

I wouldn’t at all bet against him ruining yet another roster capable of doing some good things.

This was an outlier year for Dak with picks. He is usually a great game manager. Throwing Picks has not been his thing.

 

[G2]

For the record, don't count me as some sort of defender of Jerry. You are right. They needed to do a better job of taking advantage of those years when their two best offensive players were playing on rookie contracts. They failed Dak that year they thought Allen Hurns and company was good enough at WR. They pulled a similar stunt this year when they dumped Cooper and then said Gallup and Tolbert and Washington were going to be good enough (and FWIW, CowboyRoy defended the WR moves).

I'm glad we can find some common ground, I never would have assumed you as a Jones defender
But take this season, this was a really good opportunity to get past the divisional round. All in. But naw, we'll get by with scraps.

By the way, I completely forgot we even drafted Tolbert.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak doesn't suck. He just sucked on Sunday. I've never claims he's a **** QB.

And at this point, he shouldn't be cut. One, they have no other options. Two, the cost to dump him is too high. But that doesn't mean the Cowboys shouldn;t start thinking now that they might need to start looking at options over the next couple of years.

Wow..............I didnt think you were capable. Nicely said.

Now we just have to get you to the point where you can admit that facing the Niners D is the hardest thing to do for a QB in the NFL.

 

[Sydla]

Cmon, last year you blamed it all on Dak as well. No different than THIS year. Identical. This year you actually have a point finally.

THAT being said............AGAIN, it was against the #1 defense in the NFL without Pollard for the critical 2nd half.

Last year I said he didnt play well and the defense got mauled. It's why I've been called out for beating the dead horse on the DT position over the last 12 months. The 49ers game last year showed us that we can't expect to nickel and dime at DT.

AGAIN, saying San Fran is the #1 D shouldn't be an excuse for how he played. He was terrible. Not mediocre, not decent and couldn't get over the hump, he was just awful the entire game save for one drive we scored a TD. I don't think it's unrealistic to say, you know what, San Fran's D was great but Dak has to be better than he was. It seems that you think that's a really outrageous position to take.

 

[kskboys]

I'm glad we can find some common ground, I never would have assumed you as a Jones defender
But take this season, this was a really good opportunity to get past the divisional round. All in. But naw, we'll get by with scraps.

By the way, I completely forgot we even drafted Tolbert.

Tolbert was another Jerry pick, focusing on height instead of the more important assets of a player.

 

[G2]

Dak doesn't suck. He just sucked on Sunday. I've never claims he's a **** QB.

And at this point, he shouldn't be cut. One, they have no other options. Two, the cost to dump him is too high. But that doesn't mean the Cowboys shouldn;t start thinking now that they might need to start looking at options over the next couple of years.

The market value is what it is. I can't stand it, but that's just how it works with these guys, next man up.

If it's me, I'm dumping my resources into the trenches. Guys are getting old. For some reason this team doesn't think to draft QBs early.

 

[kskboys]

Last year I said he didnt play well and the defense got mauled. It's why I've been called out for beating the dead horse on the DT position over the last 12 months. The 49ers game last year showed us that we can't expect to nickel and dime at DT.

AGAIN, saying San Fran is the #1 D shouldn't be an excuse for how he played. He was terrible. Not mediocre, not decent and couldn't get over the hump, he was just awful the entire game save for one drive we scored a TD. I don't think it's unrealistic to say, you know what, San Fran's D was great but Dak has to be better than he was. It seems that you think that's a really outrageous position to take.

If Dak was mediocre vs the 9ers, we win.

 

[Sydla]

I'm glad we can find some common ground, I never would have assumed you as a Jones defender
But take this season, this was a really good opportunity to get past the divisional round. All in. But naw, we'll get by with scraps.

By the way, I completely forgot we even drafted Tolbert.

I won't toss Tolbert to the wolves since he was a rookie but for the love of God, if the Jones boys try to sell him as a solution at WR................ geezus.

 

[G2]

Tolbert was another Jerry pick, focusing on height instead of the more important assets of a player.

You know, he's got a pretty deep history of screwing up the WR roster over the years.

 

[G2]

I won't toss Tolbert to the wolves since he was a rookie but for the love of God, if the Jones boys try to sell him as a solution at WR................ geezus.

He reminds me of a player completely out of his eliminate. Kind of scared almost.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Last year I said he didnt play well and the defense got mauled. It's why I've been called out for beating the dead horse on the DT position over the last 12 months. The 49ers game last year showed us that we can't expect to nickel and dime at DT.

AGAIN, saying San Fran is the #1 D shouldn't be an excuse for how he played. He was terrible. Not mediocre, not decent and couldn't get over the hump, he was just awful the entire game save for one drive we scored a TD. I don't think it's unrealistic to say, you know what, San Fran's D was great but Dak has to be better than he was. It seems that you think that's a really outrageous position to take.

Right so playing the #1 D in the NFL with Zeke only as the RB and a kicker you can't trust to make an extra point shouldnt affect your QB right? LOL

You have to be completely drunk to say that with a straight face.

Now should Dak have still stunk it up THAT bad? No