We are stuck in purgatory at this point with Dak

[CowboyFrog]

Base pay is irrelevant as far as the salary cap. Using that for argument's purposes makes your argument baseless. All that matters is the cap hit.

I get it but those bonuses can be spread out is what he was saying, you dont have to recontract to spread those out and even make some of it non exsistant

 

[kskboys]

Whoa....little harsh there bruh.

Aaron Brooks. Derek Anderson. Kirk Cousins. Cam Newton. Ryan Tannehill.

Guys who can put up numbers and win you some games, but are simply missing something that keeps them from success. Teddy Bridgewater. Jay Cutler. Matt Schaub. Alex Smith. Ryan Fitzpatrick. Mark Sanchez.

Reasons are different for each one, but all are just missing something.

 

[kskboys]

I get it but those bonuses can be spread out is what he was saying, you dont have to recontract to spread those out and even make some of it non exsistant

Possibly, but that would be shooting ourselves in the foot, unless Dak miraculously becomes Mahomes. Better to take the hit, then move on after next season.

 

[Ken]

His cap hit for 2023 is 49.13 mil

The convertible portion of his salary is 31 million.

So that would be 18 million base salary from previous bonuses as a starting point for his next years salary divided by years remaining and the amount converted of the remaining base salary.

 

[Sydla]

Are you calling 253 yards, 2 TD's and 1 pick a great game?

129 yards and 2 TD's? LOL Are you high?

I doubt he is calling that a great game but the reality is if Dak has Geno's stat line Sunday, we win the game.

 

[Sydla]

His cap hit for 2023 is 49.13 mil

But they will kick a sizeable chunk of his 31 million base salary into future years converting it to a bonus.

They'll save a chunk of cap space but they are only starting with around $1.8 million so even with Dak's restructure, they aren't going to have a lot of space to do what people would like them to do. The Dak crowd wants to give him more weapons but in reality, they aren't going to have the cap space to spend on many big time playmakers to help Dak.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I doubt he is calling that a great game but the reality is if Dak has Geno's stat line Sunday, we win the game.

Well that was Dak's stat line almost identical last year and we lost.

But I do agree if Dak has that stat line we probably win.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Possibly, but that would be shooting ourselves in the foot, unless Dak miraculously becomes Mahomes. Better to take the hit, then move on after next season.

I agree i take on as much as i can and draft a couple pieces and change my offense to help the defense for the next 2 years then i have options.

 

[Zekeats]

Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.

He never should have been extended and we all knew that. Should have let him walk to Washington and he’d be an 7-10 to 8-9 guy and waste their time not ours.

 

[Ken]

I doubt he is calling that a great game but the reality is if Dak has Geno's stat line Sunday, we win the game.

So if Dak was losing 41 to 17 and threw a garbage time td, it would be ok with you that he threw a pick when the game was hanging in the balance and lost a fumble earlier?
Cool...bc Dak usually gets crushed for that too.

 

[CowboyRoy]

But they will kick a sizeable chunk of his 31 million base salary into future years converting it to a bonus.

They'll save a chunk of cap space but they are only starting with around $1.8 million so even with Dak's restructure, they aren't going to have a lot of space to do what people would like them to do. The Dak crowd wants to give him more weapons but in reality, they aren't going to have the cap space to spend on many big time playmakers to help Dak.

Says who? You have been telling us about Dak's contract strapping the team for years and we keep getting better.

Getting rid of Zeke alone will help the offense. Taking a WR and RB in rounds 2 and 3 wont cost much.

 

[Sydla]

You said what you said, got called out on it, you changed your take and now want to speak about complications? And the main reason I said I was out was because you have nothing to contribute but name calling when anyone challenges your simple takes. Fanboy, what are you 12? The idea that you conveniently and purposely leave out all that I have said and follow it up with a cowardly insult?
I won't stoop to your pathetic level. I'm sorry what Dak did to you.

What I said is not really all that different. Dak cost us the win. If you want to play the semantics game over what I said, have at it. Just know that when people do this, it shows they really can't argue on the merits, they just have to try to find somethinig else they think helps their argument.

At the end of the day, you are a big Dak supporter who is really struggling with what went down on Sunday and the justified criticism he's taking in the aftermath of the game. I get it. When you've invested so much into a player and yo've argued about how great he is and he just fails in a big spot, it's tough to swallow.

 

[Ken]

He never should have been extended and we all knew that. Should have let him walk to Washington and he’d be an 7-10 to 8-9 guy and waste their time not ours.

Then we could be the basement dwellers?

Cool.

 

[CowboyFrog]

But they will kick a sizeable chunk of his 31 million base salary into future years converting it to a bonus.

They'll save a chunk of cap space but they are only starting with around $1.8 million so even with Dak's restructure, they aren't going to have a lot of space to do what people would like them to do. The Dak crowd wants to give him more weapons but in reality, they aren't going to have the cap space to spend on many big time playmakers to help Dak.

Not without a total redo that would lock us into 5 years, im out on that. Add what you can in the draft and change the O scheme to something more like SF, help this defense win games and lets see what it does for 2 years THEN we have options.

 

[Sydla]

Well that was Dak's stat line almost identical last year and we lost.

But I do agree if Dak has that stat line we probably win.

Last year was completely different game. The defense didn't play as well last year. They had a hand in the loss as well last year as they got punched in the mouth at times.

But in this year's game, if Dak has Geno's stat line, seeing that defense held the San Fran offense in check with only 19 points, that would have likely been enough to win. Add a TD, take away an interception that cost us three points (or more if you look at his woeful interception deep in San Fran's territory) and it's enough for a win.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Last year was completely different game. The defense didn't play as well last year. They had a hand in the loss as well last year as they got punched in the mouth at times.

But in this year's game, if Dak has Geno's stat line, seeing that defense held the San Fran offense in check with only 19 points, that would have likely been enough to win. Add a TD, take away an interception that cost us three points (or more if you look at his woeful interception deep in San Fran's territory) and it's enough for a win.

Agreed, but you can see its still close.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

Then we could be the basement dwellers?

Cool.

At least we would have Draft capitol . All we have now is you and Roy holding hands , circle jerking with Dak

 

[Swagger]

Case & point, there are other QBs that lost this year in the playoffs and had similar individual statistics as Dak.
The difference? The MSM sports world and some who refuse to think for themselves are going all in on Dak needing to be gone. I get it, it's Dallas but you would think our fanbase would be smart enough to realize this.

The devil is in the detail.

Lawrence played very well against the Chiefs despite the o line giving him little protection throughout. He threw a perfect deep pass that was dropped around the 5 yard line and a running back coughed up the ball on the 2 yard line. The interception was thrown with pressure right in his grill and in reality the damage had been done by then. Allen underperformed but he is the Bills' running game and again he suffered bad drops and terrible o line play in the snow. He has a bit of credit in the locker from how well he played against the Chiefs in the play offs last season. Any sort of defense and they head to the Superbowl.

The Cowboys' o line played as well as could be expected against a strong defense. The issue wasn't them but inaccurate throws and brainless decision making by Prescott.

Prescott was embarrassingly bad and that's why he is being rightly cained from all quarters.

 

[Ken]

At least we would have Draft capitol . All we have now is you and Roy holding hands , circle jerking with Dak

Sure..so you would be ok with being middling basement dwellers?

You know you can go follow the Commodes if you think their draft capital is so enticing and they are doing so great without a qb....

 

[Sydla]

Says who? You have been telling us about Dak's contract strapping the team for years and we keep getting better.

Getting rid of Zeke alone will help the offense. Taking a WR and RB in rounds 2 and 3 wont cost much.

Says who what? Dak's contract only became an issue last year. That was the first year it was a massive cap number, so what are you babbling about me saying his contract had been strapping us for years? Once again, CowboyRoy makes something up.

They currently sit at around $2 million in cap space per Spotrac. Dak's restructure likely gets them around $25-30 million in total space. They are likely going to have to restructure some other guys which isn't ideal but it is what it is.

But they have other needs than just getting some WRs and TBs in here. They are going to have to figure out the CB spot opposite Diggs as Brown is a FA. Bland might shift out there but then you need a slot CB most likely. LVE is a FA so you are going to need LB help. DT is going to likely need an overhaul. Hankins was likely your best DT by year end and he's a FA.

On offense, Steele is a RFA so he's not even included in the cap calculation. Schultz is a FA and they probably have to let him walk because he's too expensive. Pollard is a FA. You are likely going to need interior OL help as both McGovern and Biadasz aren't exactly playing at a high level. They need help at WR. They need depth along the OL.

Elliott should be cut. But he only saves $5 million in cap space. If you make him a June 1 cut, it's $10 million but you can't use that $10 million savings until June 1. By then, it's largely bargain bin guys left in FA save for a few stragglers holding out that don't want to go to a full camp.

This team has a lot of needs this offseason and will be cap strapped to an extent when you look at all the holes. The draft can only do so much and on top of that it's no guarantee those guys can contribute right away. For example, you were one of the ones whining about people complaining about the WR and kept talking about how Tolbert would fill in that 3 spot and help. How'd that turn out?