We DID get a 4th for shanle...

[bewareofdware]

what will they give us for nate jones a 4th too matbe a 3rd

HAHA but when he is great in new orleans we ar gonna be kickin ourselves

 

[AbeBeta]

Interesting -- either this pre-dates the Shanle for a 4th trade or they still have their 4th.

If they are offering a 4th for Edwards -- a guy with 9 straight 100+ tackles seasons who has only missed 2 games in 10 years -- then a 4th for Shanle seems just freaking crazy.

Chargers | Edwards' trade talks off for now
Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:41:00 -0700

Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports trade talks between the San Diego Chargers and New Orleans Saints concerning Chargers' LB Donnie Edwards have broken off. The Saints are the only suitor to have contacted the Chargers. Sources also said that Edwards and Chargers' general manager A.J. Smith spoke recently in a meeting requested by Edwards. In that conference, Edwards asked Smith to let him go to New Orleans. The Saints would only offer a fourth-round draft pick for Edwards. The Chargers contacted the Saints and said they would take a third-rounder in exchange for Edwards, but New Orleans held firm.

 

[Alexander]

Interesting -- either this pre-dates the Shanle for a 4th trade or they still have their 4th.

If they are offering a 4th for Edwards -- a guy with 9 straight 100+ tackles seasons who has only missed 2 games in 10 years -- then a 4th for Shanle seems just freaking crazy.

Chargers | Edwards' trade talks off for now
Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:41:00 -0700

Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports trade talks between the San Diego Chargers and New Orleans Saints concerning Chargers' LB Donnie Edwards have broken off. The Saints are the only suitor to have contacted the Chargers. Sources also said that Edwards and Chargers' general manager A.J. Smith spoke recently in a meeting requested by Edwards. In that conference, Edwards asked Smith to let him go to New Orleans. The Saints would only offer a fourth-round draft pick for Edwards. The Chargers contacted the Saints and said they would take a third-rounder in exchange for Edwards, but New Orleans held firm.

New Orleans supposedly received a fourth for Bennett, which would give them two fourths. Oh wait, they traded one for Shanle.

 

[AbeBeta]

New Orleans supposedly received a fourth for Bennett, which would give them two fourths. Oh wait, they traded one for Shanle.

Well, if Shanle is worth a 4th, I could see SD asking for a pair of 1's for Edwards.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ESPNews also reported Keith Davis was deceased after he was shot.

Alex, at best you dont know so quit acting like you do.

Day of the trade the first report which was on DC.com said that the pick was for a conditional pick.

Later, at about 12:30 CST ESPN reports that the trade is for a 4th rounder. A report which they have yet to change.

As the day wound down Rob Phillips of DC.com reported that the trade was for a 7th round draft pick.

The entire time the Saints website reports that the trade is for an undisclosed draft pick.

Fast forward to today, which by the way makes it the most recent report and a newspaper in the Saints demographic reports that its a 4th rounder.

To say one or the other is inherently more qualified than another is -to be blunt- stupid. While Spagnola and crew are 'closer' to the Cowboys, the Cowboys are also notorious for being tight lipped about what they are in fact doing. Counting on them is a gamble and while ESPN is not necessarily the most reliable I can guarantee you that Pasquarelli is infinitely closer to the commisioners office who has the paperwork for said trade come accross their desk.

Seeing that we wre willing to trade a 6th for the WR scrub from Denver and we were not at a position critical (ie he was not immenently going to be cut) then it actually makes zero sense for us to take less for a player that in terms of starting ability and ST ability is a much better player.

Now this is not to say the Shanle is worth a 4th rounder because he is not but the initial report, a conditional draft pick, makes the most sense.

Bottomline is that we traded them a guy that more than likely will start for them. That holds value right there. It makes a ton of sense that if Shanle is cut by them (which is doubtful) we are guaranteed at least a 7th but that based on performance (starts, tackles etc) it could go a ll the way up to a 4th rounder.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Interesting -- either this pre-dates the Shanle for a 4th trade or they still have their 4th.

If they are offering a 4th for Edwards -- a guy with 9 straight 100+ tackles seasons who has only missed 2 games in 10 years -- then a 4th for Shanle seems just freaking crazy.

Chargers | Edwards' trade talks off for now
Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:41:00 -0700

Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports trade talks between the San Diego Chargers and New Orleans Saints concerning Chargers' LB Donnie Edwards have broken off. The Saints are the only suitor to have contacted the Chargers. Sources also said that Edwards and Chargers' general manager A.J. Smith spoke recently in a meeting requested by Edwards. In that conference, Edwards asked Smith to let him go to New Orleans. The Saints would only offer a fourth-round draft pick for Edwards. The Chargers contacted the Saints and said they would take a third-rounder in exchange for Edwards, but New Orleans held firm.

This is actually old news. The unfortunate aspect of KFFL is that it is all second had reporting and you have to go to the original report for when it was scooped.

This was being talked about for the past couple of days.

 

[AtlCB]

While I strongly doubt truth we getting a 4th rounder for Shanle, it does make me wonder what we could get for DE Kenyon Coleman who started for us until Marcus Spears beat him out last year.

I wonder what we can get for Fowler.

 

[Alexander]

Day of the trade the first report which was on DC.com said that the pick was for a conditional pick.

Which is not unusual.

Later, at about 12:30 CST ESPN reports that the trade is for a 4th rounder. A report which they have yet to change.

And ESPN is never, ever wrong.

As the day wound down Rob Phillips of DC.com reported that the trade was for a 7th round draft pick.

Also, not unusual as information is uncovered and shockingly on the official team website.

The entire time the Saints website reports that the trade is for an undisclosed draft pick.

Which is a far cry from a fourth round choice.

Fast forward to today, which by the way makes it the most recent report and a newspaper in the Saints demographic reports that its a 4th rounder.

And yet the biggest newspaper in the region, right in the middle of New Orleans, the Times-Picayune, reports a seventh.

But Biloxi outscooped them?

That's like saying believe the Houston Chronicle over the Dallas Morning-News.

To say one or the other is inherently more qualified than another is -to be blunt- stupid. While Spagnola and crew are 'closer' to the Cowboys, the Cowboys are also notorious for being tight lipped about what they are in fact doing. Counting on them is a gamble and while ESPN is not necessarily the most reliable I can guarantee you that Pasquarelli is infinitely closer to the commisioners office who has the paperwork for said trade come accross their desk.

I see. To assume people that actually work for the Cowboys know less than a Biloxi beat writer or a national writer who has been known to make errors before is -to be blunt- stupid? Whatever you say, Fuzzy.

And the Times also reported "per league sources" the choice was a seventh. That's just as qualified to me as Len Pasquarelli.

Now this is not to say the Shanle is worth a 4th rounder because he is not but the initial report, a conditional draft pick, makes the most sense.

Bottomline is that we traded them a guy that more than likely will start for them. That holds value right there. It makes a ton of sense that if Shanle is cut by them (which is doubtful) we are guaranteed at least a 7th but that based on performance (starts, tackles etc) it could go a ll the way up to a 4th rounder.

It could very well be a conditional choice that could be a fourth round choice if all the conditions are met (like Shanle making the Pro Bowl, flying around the earth and changing its orbit and so on). But the preponderance of the evidence suggests a seventh round choice.

We will find out in due time hopefully and put this to rest. If I am wrong, I would gladly accept the crow.

 

[Alexander]

This is actually old news. The unfortunate aspect of KFFL is that it is all second had reporting and you have to go to the original report for when it was scooped.

Just like the original post which started this thread, second-hand reporting.

Pasquarelli's account is one of the oldest and could be the source for the "Biloxi Account"--old news.

This was being talked about for the past couple of days.

This actually was reported today:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20060825-9999-1s25edwards.html

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is actually old news. The unfortunate aspect of KFFL is that it is all second had reporting and you have to go to the original report for when it was scooped.

Just like the original post which started this thread, second-hand reporting.

Pasquarelli's account is one of the oldest and could be the source for the "Biloxi Account"--old news.



This actually was reported today:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20060825-9999-1s25edwards.html

Well thats all well and good but at the same time I know I read that same take the day the trade was announced. That still makes it old news.

 

[Alexander]

Well thats all well and good but at the same time I know I read that same take the day the trade was announced. That still makes it old news.

This quote suggests it isn't:

Sources said yesterday the Chargers and New Orleans Saints have broken off trade talks, the Saints refusing to come up from their offer of a fourth-round draft pick in exchange for the beleaguered linebacker

I suppose it all depends on interpretation.

 

[Cowboys22]

Can we please put this issue to rest. Here it is straight from the Official Website of the Dallas Cowboys.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_playerTracker.cfm?positionGroup=Linebackers

Those holding out that it was a 4th are guilty of wishful thinking based on an initial false report and then several other reporters picking it up and running with it before verifying it.

 

[DLCassidy]

Can we please put this issue to rest. Here it is straight from the Official Website of the Dallas Cowboys.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_playerTracker.cfm?positionGroup=Linebackers

Those holding out that it was a 4th are guilty of wishful thinking based on an initial false report and then several other reporters picking it up and running with it before verifying it.

Shocking.

 

[Alexander]

Can we please put this issue to rest. Here it is straight from the Official Website of the Dallas Cowboys.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_playerTracker.cfm?positionGroup=Linebackers

Those holding out that it was a 4th are guilty of wishful thinking based on an initial false report and then several other reporters picking it up and running with it before verifying it.

So, explain this to me.

You mean to say that Len Pasquarelli was wrong?

This cannot be!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Which is not unusual.

And ESPN is never, ever wrong.

Also, not unusual as information is uncovered and shockingly on the official team website.

Which is a far cry from a fourth round choice.

And yet the biggest newspaper in the region, right in the middle of New Orleans, the Times-Picayune, reports a seventh.

But Biloxi outscooped them?

That's like saying believe the Houston Chronicle over the Dallas Morning-News.

I see. To assume people that actually work for the Cowboys know more than a Biloxi beat writer or a national writer who has been known to make errors before is -to be blunt- stupid? Whatever you say, Fuzzy.

And the Times also reported "per league sources" the choice was a seventh. That's just as qualified to me as Len Pasquarelli.

It could very well be a conditional choice that could be a fourth round choice if all the conditions are met (like Shanle making the Pro Bowl, flying around the earth and changing its orbit and so on). But the preponderance of the evidence suggests a seventh round choice.

We will find out in due time hopefully and put this to rest. If I am wrong, I would gladly accept the crow.

First of all lets get this clear. This is not ESPNNews, it is not Clayton, it is Len Pasquarelli. While many people take umbrage with the way that he forms his opinions, people do not refer to him as some hack that makes up trash to support his agenda. Your little digs towards ESPN which ultimattely posit nothing notwithstanding.

Another facet of ESPN that you are not acknowledging about ESPN is that when they are wrong they very very quickly remove the news in question and pretend like it never happens. Well it just so happens that the article is still right HERE.

Additionally, of all the players in all of this, he is thhe only one that has connections with the league office. Do you ever hear Phillips quoting his league sources? No you dont.

Phillips and all of the guys at DC.com may well be afforded their paychecks via the team however they are afforded the exact same access as do the guys at DMN. JJT scoops them all the time if you havent paid attention. As for the Saints website, it still says its an undisclosed pick.

And actually i just looked up the Times-Picayune website HERE and that actually says that its an undisclosed draft pick as well. So why dont you do us all a favor and quit telling lies to support your take on things.

So we have an initial report of a conditional draft pick.

So we have a respected national writer with league office connections and a newspaper in the NO demographic area saying that its a 4th round lick.

We have the Saint website and the Times Picayune both stating that its an undisclosed draft pick.

And we we have DC.com who has no special access over any other media outlet reporting that it is a 7th.

You take all of this and the logic that we were not in a position where we had to unload for at least another week and very likely could have gotten more than a 7th rounder for him and yes it is STUPID to say that any one of these sources is more valid than the other especially when you pair it with a smug attitude to whoever has a different take.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Well, boys, somebody is either lying or just mistaken. Larry Holder did indeed write that the 'Boys got a 4th rd. pick. Here is the story:

Saints grab Cowboys linebacker

Price for Scott Shanle is fourth-round draft pick

By LARRY HOLDER

Lholder@sunherald.com

Two days after making a tackle on New Orleans Saints wide receiver Devery Henderson, middle linebacker Scott Shanle will be tackling ball carriers for the Saints.
Desperate for help at linebacker, the Saints acquired Shanle from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a 2007 fourth-round draft pick. The trade is pending Shanle's physical.
Linebacker has been a position in flux since the beginning of Saints training camp.
Scott Fujita, a former Cowboys teammate of Shanle, has been the only permanent fixture on the first team since the start of camp. Jay Foreman started against the Cowboys at middle linebacker.
Shanle will come in right away and compete for the starting job at middle linebacker.
Saints coach Sean Payton and defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs also know what Shanle brings to the field. Both coaches were assistants under Bill Parcells in Dallas for Shanle's first three years in the league.
"Scott is happy to be with the Saints," his agent Jordan Woy said via e-mail. "He has played for coach Payton and coach Gibbs in the past. He is anxious to learn the team's defense and help anyway he can."
Shanle began last season as the Cowboys' nickel linebacker. But when starter Dat Nguyen retired after suffering numerous injuries, Shanle became the team's weakside starter.
He finished last season with 50 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
Shanle began his career with the St. Louis Rams as a seventh-round pick in 2003. He served a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's policy on anabolic steroids and related substances. The Cowboys picked him up off waivers later that season.
The Saints reportedly had their eyes on San Diego Chargers linebacker Donnie Edwards. The Chargers' leading tackler during the past four seasons confirmed the rumors Monday that the Saints had offered the Chargers a fourth-round draft pick. General manager A.J. Smith apparently turned down the offer. He wanted a second-rounder for Edwards.

I pray that this IS true. This will help with the sting of news lately of wasting our 2nd & 3rd from 2004, & the 3rd from 2005. Meaning Rogers, Peterman, & Henson. At least now we can say we got a deal for a change...haha.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can we please put this issue to rest. Here it is straight from the Official Website of the Dallas Cowboys.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_playerTracker.cfm?positionGroup=Linebackers

Those holding out that it was a 4th are guilty of wishful thinking based on an initial false report and then several other reporters picking it up and running with it before verifying it.

I want to point out two things.

First the date on this is two days ago.

Second that quote at the bottom there, "Those holding out...." is not part of the article. Its an assertion by Cowboys22.

Until a journalist acknowledges that there are two different stories and weighs in on it I will be convinced of nothing.

 

[Alexander]

Well, boys, somebody is either lying or just mistaken. Larry Holder did indeed write that the 'Boys got a 4th rd. pick. Here is the story:

Saints grab Cowboys linebacker

Price for Scott Shanle is fourth-round draft pick

By LARRY HOLDER

Lholder@sunherald.com

Two days after making a tackle on New Orleans Saints wide receiver Devery Henderson, middle linebacker Scott Shanle will be tackling ball carriers for the Saints.
Desperate for help at linebacker, the Saints acquired Shanle from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a 2007 fourth-round draft pick. The trade is pending Shanle's physical.
Linebacker has been a position in flux since the beginning of Saints training camp.
Scott Fujita, a former Cowboys teammate of Shanle, has been the only permanent fixture on the first team since the start of camp. Jay Foreman started against the Cowboys at middle linebacker.
Shanle will come in right away and compete for the starting job at middle linebacker.
Saints coach Sean Payton and defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs also know what Shanle brings to the field. Both coaches were assistants under Bill Parcells in Dallas for Shanle's first three years in the league.
"Scott is happy to be with the Saints," his agent Jordan Woy said via e-mail. "He has played for coach Payton and coach Gibbs in the past. He is anxious to learn the team's defense and help anyway he can."
Shanle began last season as the Cowboys' nickel linebacker. But when starter Dat Nguyen retired after suffering numerous injuries, Shanle became the team's weakside starter.
He finished last season with 50 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
Shanle began his career with the St. Louis Rams as a seventh-round pick in 2003. He served a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's policy on anabolic steroids and related substances. The Cowboys picked him up off waivers later that season.
The Saints reportedly had their eyes on San Diego Chargers linebacker Donnie Edwards. The Chargers' leading tackler during the past four seasons confirmed the rumors Monday that the Saints had offered the Chargers a fourth-round draft pick. General manager A.J. Smith apparently turned down the offer. He wanted a second-rounder for Edwards.

I pray that this IS true. This will help with the sting of news lately of wasting our 2nd & 3rd from 2004, & the 3rd from 2005. Meaning Rogers, Peterman, & Henson. At least now we can say we got a deal for a change...haha.

It's the very same Biloxi Sun-Herald.

And do note, it says pending his physical.

This article is obviously old as Shanle passed it and has been practicing with them.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's the very same Biloxi Sun-Herald.

And do note, it says pending his physical.

This article is obviously old as Shanle passed it and has been practicing with them.

Well from the article its evident he actually took the time to interview Shanle's agent before posting this. He also termed the Saints deserate to have done this.

So basically the Saints media and Pasquarelli is saying its a 4th round pick via this guy which the Times Picayune is not disputing despite your falsification.

 

[Alexander]

First of all lets get this clear. This is not ESPNNews, it is not Clayton, it is Len Pasquarelli. While many people take umbrage with the way that he forms his opinions, people do not refer to him as some hack that makes up trash to support his agenda. Your little digs towards ESPN which ultimattely posit nothing notwithstanding.

So how exactly is Clayton any worse than Pasquarelli or Mortenson or any of the other journalists that work for them. They have been wrong in the past. And rarely printed retractions or denials.

Another facet of ESPN that you are not acknowledging about ESPN is that when they are wrong they very very quickly remove the news in question and pretend like it never happens. Well it just so happens that the article is still right HERE.

And it was also a relatively minor trade that isn't necessarily going to have anyone go back and remind them to verify anything. This wasn't the Herschel Walker trade. The fact that ESPN has not modified anything is not that significant.

Another facet of the team website, is why on earth would the Dallas official site continue to say the same story, over and over again, if it were false. Are we to assume the due diligence from the team website doesn't exist either? And moreover, why would they lie about it being a lower round draft choice? It's not like we can fool anyone until next April.

Additionally, of all the players in all of this, he is thhe only one that has connections with the league office. Do you ever hear Phillips quoting his league sources? No you dont.

No, just team sources, which might be even better.

Phillips and all of the guys at DC.com may well be afforded their paychecks via the team however they are afforded the exact same access as do the guys at DMN. JJT scoops them all the time if you havent paid attention. As for the Saints website, it still says its an undisclosed pick.

So, you discredit the official sites writers, yet expect the New Orleans Saints ones to be on the ball? Aren't they all insignificant worms in comparison to the journalistic giant that is Len Pasquarelli?

And actually i just looked up the Times-Picayune website HERE and that actually says that its an undisclosed draft pick as well. So why dont you do us all a favor and quit telling lies to support your take on things.

Look here.

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-25/115640013250270.xml&coll=1

Who is lying here?

Sorry, yours is from the 23rd. Mine is more recent.

So please do us all a favor and stop presenting nonsense to support your own take.