We dont use Owens the right way

[Doomsday101]

Well yeah... this goes back to the interview.... he said "he feels like he is going through the motions on the field, faking it" WELL all I know is if you brought me in to your company and my strength was accounting and cost cutting and you had me on the sales floor selling shoes - I would be pissed and not happy

not the greatest analogy... but I think it gets point across...

Its ironic... they said Bill and TO wouldnt work... who knew that it would be not using TO correctly... even I thought that Bill saw TO as a major part of getting back to SB.... guess not

Dallas is using him correctly but Mr. Over rated is not the player he once was. He is not breaking tackles, he is not running through on slants with his short arm BS. He admitted he ran some wrong routs in this past game and yet he finds to time to sleep in meeting or have his mind on other things during meeting. But it is Parcells fault because we are not using him right? he sure as hell is using us 10 mill dollars worth of getting hosed by a moron.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I'm trying to figure out what team people are watching. TO has been BY FAR the most targeted receiver on the team (128 targets to Glenn's 89, and the numbers are even more skewed since Romo became the starter). He's also 33 years old and is clearly not getting as open as often as he used to. This week in particular, Romo clearly didn't have time to get the ball to him deep very often, which doesn't mean he didn't try - he threw a few pretty bad deep passes Sunday and even the TD pass was not a good decision.

I could see where they maybe should run a few more short crossing patterns to try to get him in space, but the problem is NOT that they aren't "getting him involved."

 

[khiladi]

Dallas is using him correctly but Mr. Over rated is not the player he once was. He is not breaking tackles, he is not running through on slants with his short arm BS. He admitted he ran some wrong routs in this past game and yet he finds to time to sleep in meeting or have his mind on other things during meeting. But it is Parcells fault because we are not using him right? he sure as hell is using us 10 mill dollars worth of getting hosed by a moron.

Breaking tackles happens when there is plenty of space to operate... breaking tackles rarely happens when your working against the sideline, and on a screen pass, where the CB has plenty of time to take a good angle... you have to establish rhythm... we don't establish rhythm...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm trying to figure out what team people are watching. TO has been BY FAR the most targeted receiver on the team (128 targets to Glenn's 89, and the numbers are even more skewed since Romo became the starter). He's also 33 years old and is clearly not getting as open as often as he used to. This week in particular, Romo clearly didn't have time to get the ball to him deep very often, which doesn't mean he didn't try - he threw a few pretty bad deep passes Sunday and even the TD pass was not a good decision.

I could see where they maybe should run a few more short crossing patterns to try to get him in space, but the problem is NOT that they aren't "getting him involved."

Sorry... when he is not involved until 2nd qtr or 2nd half then HE IS NOT INVOLVED

 

[Doomsday101]

Breaking tackles happens when there is plenty of space to operate... breaking tackles rarely happens when your working against the sideline, and on a screen pass, where the CB has plenty of time to take a good angle... you have to establish rhythm... we don't establish rhythm...

Dallas has used him on various routs and has gotten the ball to him in open space. This notion that it is all the Cowboys fault and TO is just being misused is non-sense. The idiot needs to get his act together and start paying attention to what this team is doing instead of taking naps in meetings or worrying about his birthday party. Then again maybe he just does not feel loved by the team. Enough of the excuses, big time players make big plays and right now when Dallas needs a big play it has been Glenn and Witten who have stepped up to the plate not Mr. Over rated.

 

[theebs]

There is a term called 'rhythm'...

Torry Holt is not used primarily as a decoy, whose thrown too once in awhile just to keep him happy... Holt is a staple of the offense...

You want TO to produce, you throw him the damn ball EARLY so he gets fired up... I'm sure TO is not that dumb, and he realizes his 'role' in the offense...

nice try. It was a carbon copy play, TO dogged it then ducked the hit and let the ball go, Holt layed out got the ball, took the hit.

 

[khiladi]

I'm trying to figure out what team people are watching. TO has been BY FAR the most targeted receiver on the team (128 targets to Glenn's 89, and the numbers are even more skewed since Romo became the starter). He's also 33 years old and is clearly not getting as open as often as he used to. This week in particular, Romo clearly didn't have time to get the ball to him deep very often, which doesn't mean he didn't try - he threw a few pretty bad deep passes Sunday and even the TD pass was not a good decision.

I could see where they maybe should run a few more short crossing patterns to try to get him in space, but the problem is NOT that they aren't "getting him involved."

TO played in a WCO offense... he was thrown to a lot on short slants, allowing him room to operate and break tackles... TO is being thrown to as a possession receiver.. He has more first downs in one less game with the DC than he had with the Eagles.. in one more game with the Eagles, he had 5 or 6 more TDs than he has at Dallas... and the amount of times he has been thrown to is about the same... his number of catches is about the same...

He has NOT LOST a step...

The times we allow him to break tackles is on screen passes.. watch the next game... you effectively counter-act the abillity to break tackles, because you take away one side of the field for TO... don't you see him, when fed the ball, he is running the sidelines... he often runs out of bounds, because there is no room to operate... I don't care who you are.. any CB will defend these routes and prevent a big gain...

 

[theebs]

Ok... I saw Rex hit his WR on a sweet pass that he scored a TD and ran right through the defense(dont know WR or play type, someone help me out ) but it was sweet and had TO's name written all over it... it was quick and WR was quick and most importantly - IT WAS FOR 7

Owens catches the ball in the flat once a game, he never wins the one on one battle? So how can you compare?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Dallas has used him on various routs and has gotten the ball to him in open space. This notion that it is all the Cowboys fault and TO is just being misused is non-sense. The idiot needs to get his act together and start paying attention to what this team is doing instead of taking naps in meetings or worrying about his birthday party. Then again maybe he just does not feel loved by the team. Enough of the excuses, big time players make big plays and right now when Dallas needs a big play it has been Glenn and Witten who have stepped up to the plate not Mr. Over rated.

Obviously there are debaters on this thread that want the team to win and feel that Owens should be a major part of it(without pro-TO bias) AND THEN there are anti-TO debaters(that will keep singing the song that Dallas is using him EFFECTIVELY and statistically enough)....

 

[theebs]

True

But what is even sorrier is only putting up 17 points when you have Witten, Glenn, Owens, III/Jones combo and an opponent that struggles against the run.

That's sorry

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Yep that is sorry. Having said that wr need to catch the ball when the opportunity is there and they need to run the route that is called.

Owens admitted he ran the wrong route a few times?

 

[khiladi]

nice try. It was a carbon copy play, TO dogged it then ducked the hit and let the ball go, Holt layed out got the ball, took the hit.

How does this counter-act the argument that TO is not being used correctly? Just as you can find an example of Holt catching a ball that TO dropped, I'm sure we can all find a catch TO made that Holt dropped... We can also see how the production of TO has dramatically improved the offense of the DC BY JUST BEING ON THE TEAM... If he was always dropping passes, do you think the defensive coordinators wouldn't be shifting their secondary towards his side?

 

[Doomsday101]

Obviously there are debaters on this thread that want the team to win and feel that Owens should be a major part of it(without pro-TO bias) AND THEN there are anti-TO debaters(that will keep singing the song that Dallas is using him EFFECTIVELY and statistically enough)....

No there are guys who will find every reason to make excuses for him and try and cast blame on someone else. As I said when Dallas has needed the clutch play it is Witten and Glenn who have done it not Owens. If Owens wants to be part of this team winning then stop short arming balls, stop the damn drops and stop falling asleep in team meetings.

 

[khiladi]

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Yep that is sorry. Having said that wr need to catch the ball when the opportunity is there and they need to run the route that is called.

Owens admitted he ran the wrong route a few times?

And offensive players don't ever line up in the wrong position, depsite knowing the plays? Do you honestly think that TO is the only WR that runs a wrong route? Have you ever seen a QB yelling at a WR telling him why he didn't cut, when he was suppose to?

The only problem of TO is his mouth... TO gets punished for his honesty...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

nice try. It was a carbon copy play, TO dogged it then ducked the hit and let the ball go, Holt layed out got the ball, took the hit.

TO, like other WR's are rhythm receivers... we dont allow that to happen... he could have 4 or 5 small catches during a game and then the next 2 could be broken for TD's...

so you deny rhythm has nothing do with the receiving game?

How does this counter-act the argument that TO is not being used correctly? Just as you can find an example of Holt catching a ball that TO dropped, I'm sure we can all find a catch TO made that Holt dropped... We can also see how the production of TO has dramatically improved the offense of the DC BY JUST BEING ON THE TEAM... If he was always dropping passes, do you think the defensive coordinators wouldn't be shifting their secondary towards his side?

The "drops" are a quick out and automatic debate winner

 

[khiladi]

No there are guys who will find every reason to make excuses for him and try and cast blame on someone else. As I said when Dallas has needed the clutch play it is Witten and Glenn who have done it not Owens. If Owens wants to be part of this team winning then stop short arming balls, stop the damn drops and stop falling asleep in team meetings.

I've seen Witten drop many passes, as well as fumble the ball away... I've also seen TO catch plenty of first down grabs, when they needed it... You see what you want to see...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

No there are guys who will find every reason to make excuses for him and try and cast blame on someone else. As I said when Dallas has needed the clutch play it is Witten and Glenn who have done it not Owens. If Owens wants to be part of this team winning then stop short arming balls, stop the damn drops and stop falling asleep in team meetings.

I have clearly layed blame on both Cowboys and TO. Cowboys dont use him to his strengths and he has dropped balls. The answer to dropped balls is to give more opps.

You cant compare clutch play of Witten and Glenn to TO and his (when used correctly) playmaking potential... potential is not even the righ word... for the love of all that is _____... the guy has toasted us for 3 TD's

Like I said... I want him used to help win and you want status quo because stats show its good enough.... not acceptable

 

[theebs]

How does this counter-act the argument that TO is not being used correctly? Just as you can find an example of Holt catching a ball that TO dropped, I'm sure we can all find a catch TO made that Holt dropped... We can also see how the production of TO has dramatically improved the offense of the DC BY JUST BEING ON THE TEAM... If he was always dropping passes, do you think the defensive coordinators wouldn't be shifting their secondary towards his side?

I am not saying he hasnt improved the team. He has. We have no one else as talented as him. Glenn and owens has worked well.

WHat I am saying is his performance sunday was very poor. He had two distinct opportunities to make a big play and missed both. they both would have helped.


He had has ample opportunities with short passes this season and he can not beat a one on one.

I think one of the blueprints the saints layed this week is to press owens at the line, many teams have played off him this season. I have never understood why. He has shown this season he does not want it as bad, he is not beating one on one situations and he has not made any big plays on short passes when the ball is in his hand, he always gets tackled immediately.

If I was atlanta I would press him and be physical with him because he has shown this season he doesnt like it and will quit fighting through it.

I have not understood why everyone hasnt just left him alone more and made him make a play before adjusting to him. I think we may see that now.

 

[theebs]

TO, like other WR's are rhythm receivers... we dont allow that to happen... he could have 4 or 5 small catches during a game and then the next 2 could be broken for TD's...

so you deny rhythm has nothing do with the receiving game?




The "drops" are a quick out and automatic debate winner

No offense or anything but our offense as a whole had no rhythm sunday, we simply didnt have the ball enough.

 

[Doomsday101]

I've seen Witten drop many passes, as well as fumble the ball away... I've also seen TO catch plenty of first down grabs, when they needed it... You see what you want to see...

I have seen Witten and Glenn both drop balls but I also see them stepping up and making clutch plays and do so for a lot less money and without much talk. TO was brought here to be a big time player and he is not, he sleeps in meeting he holds an interview with Irvin to talk about not trusting or being happy like this team needs this BS right now. He is a moron and his talent level is not what it once was and it is not hard to see. We get more out of others than we do that over rated primadonna. To his fan club continue to make excuses for him but I will not do that.

 

[Doomsday101]

No offense or anything but our offense as a whole had no rhythm sunday, we simply didnt have the ball enough.

I agree. We had the ball a little over 9 min in the 1st half of the game?